INSEAD Emerging Markets Podcast

INSEAD Emerging Markets Podcast by Nick Lall

Conversations with leading emerging markets movers and shakers on their personal journeys and insights into the countries in which they operate. 

  1. From Blank Canvas to 38 Million Visitors: Mohamed Al Zaabi on Building Yas Island

    24 FEB

    From Blank Canvas to 38 Million Visitors: Mohamed Al Zaabi on Building Yas Island

    Send us Fan Mail Mohamed Al Zaabi is the Group CEO of Miral Group, the force behind one of the world’s most dramatic tourism transformations - turning an artificial island in Abu Dhabi into a global destination drawing tens of millions of visitors.  Under his leadership since the mid-2010s, Miral has overseen the creation, operation and evolution of immersive attractions, resorts, sports venues and digital experiences that have re-imagined what a destination can be in the 21st century. Al Zaabi shares how he shaped strategy, consumer insight, global partnerships and execution to convert a “blank canvas” into a thriving tourism ecosystem, with plans that stretch well into the next decade. In this episode we cover: Vision and context — How Al Zaabi scoped out the opportunity in the UAE’s tourism sector, adopting a customer-centric strategy that matched global leisure trends with diverse visitor needs and expectations.From concept to creation — The tactical challenges in developing Yas Island from nearly nothing into an entertainment and hospitality hub featuring marquee attractions like Ferrari World, Warner Bros. World, SeaWorld Abu Dhabi and more, designed to appeal to families and travellers from emerging and developed markets alike.Customer-led innovation — Why listening to real customer feedback (including early lessons from international market visits) drove Miral to build customizable online ticketing systems and create dedicated marketing/sales companies to better serve global travelers.Future growth and global partnerships — Al Zaabi details major upcoming initiatives, including expansions of existing parks (e.g., waterpark capacity increases), immersive experiences like TeamLab Phenomena, and landmark collaborations with global brands such as The Walt Disney Company to create a Disney theme park destination on Yas Island. Sustainability and legacy — How Miral is aligning with the UAE’s net-zero ambitions through renewable energy adoption, plastic reduction, and eco-friendly hospitality — and why the legacy Al Zaabi wants to leave is people-centred (leaders, teams, communities) rather than just built environments.Driving record visitation — Yas Island has emerged as a world-class tourism magnet with over 38 million visits in 2024, underscoring Miral’s impact on Abu Dhabi’s global leisure appeal.Find us on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and Youtube.

    18 min
  2. From US Dominance to Global Dispersion: Nick Rohatyn on the New EM Cycle

    2 FEB

    From US Dominance to Global Dispersion: Nick Rohatyn on the New EM Cycle

    Send us Fan Mail Nick Rohatyn is the founder and CEO of The Rohatyn Group, and one of the architects of emerging markets as a modern asset class. Having built JP Morgan’s emerging markets business from an eight-person desk into a 600-person global platform, Nick has spent more than four decades investing across cycles, crises, and continents. In this return episode, he reflects on why emerging markets may finally be entering a new phase after more than a decade of underperformance, and why dispersion, not beta, will define returns going forward. In this episode we cover: (00:00:00) Nick’s journey into emerging markets  From JP Morgan’s early derivatives desks and a formative stint in Tokyo to discovering emerging markets through Mexico’s debt restructuring and the Brady Plan, and why solving large systemic problems can be both profitable and meaningful.(00:08:40) The three phases of emerging markets as an asset class  Strong outperformance from 2002–2011, a brutal 13-year underperformance driven by US exceptionalism, and why 2025 may mark the start of a new cycle as capital slowly diversifies away from the US.(00:14:59) Push and pull factors reshaping global capital flows  How US political uncertainty, dollar dynamics, and eroding assumptions about American exceptionalism are pushing allocators outward, while policy shifts, trade realignment, and regional themes are beginning to pull capital into select emerging markets.(00:21:49) Why benchmarks fail and why multi-asset EM investing matters  How MSCI and debt benchmarks distort exposure, why single-asset mandates perform poorly in emerging markets, and why the future lies in flexible, multi-asset strategies that move across equities, debt, currencies, and private markets.(00:34:48) Extreme dispersion as the defining opportunity  Why countries like Korea and Turkey can diverge wildly in the same year, how geopolitics, interest rates, and underinvestment amplify volatility, and why skilled active managers can thrive in this environment.(00:25:32) Private credit, local capital, and development  Why underpenetrated credit markets in Latin America and parts of Africa offer compelling opportunities, how domestic pension systems are becoming critical sources of capital, and why local-currency investing changes the game.(00:43:01) Doing well by doing good at scale  Rohatyn Group’s work in sustainable forestry and agriculture, why real assets matter for climate and food security, and Nick’s advice to young professionals seeking careers that combine finance, impact, and global relevance.Find us on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and Youtube.

    46 min
  3. Building and Exiting Startups in the Gulf with Victor Abou Rahal

    08/12/2025

    Building and Exiting Startups in the Gulf with Victor Abou Rahal

    Send us Fan Mail Victor Abou Rahal is a veteran digital transformation and tech leader in the GCC, with more than 25 years helping traditional industries go digital. He is now CEO of Narovate, a Saudi based startup focused on digital water solutions, after leading Boxit For Me through a successful exit and building the digital arm at ADNOC Distribution. In this conversation, Victor shares what he has learned about leadership, exits, and entrepreneurship across oil and gas, logistics, and now water in one of the fastest changing regions in the world. In this episode we cover: (00:01:59) How Victor went from computer science student and a night support at an Internet Service Provider to launching his first web development company baddak.com, inheriting 80 clients overnight, then moving to Dubai to lead regional digital transformation projects (00:03:36) The Boxit4Me journey, using the people, process, platform framework to stabilise a COVID boosted logistics startup, clean up operations, and successfully prepare it for a strategic exit (00:06:47) Why being a startup CEO felt like a second MBA, constantly switching hats between HR, operations, finance, legal, shareholders, and M&A, and what he now tells first time CEOs about the reality of the role (00:11:10) How his leadership style evolved through INSEAD’s Global Executive MBA, two decades in the Boy Scouts, and hard lessons about empathy and communication in the tough leadership culture of parts of the Arab world (00:16:38) The most common founder blind spots he sees when mentoring startups, from hiding in their comfort zone and over focusing on product to underestimating market fit, scalability, competition, mental health, and the choice between lifestyle business and scale up (00:21:28) His advice for moving from corporate to entrepreneurship in the GCC, why investors prefer 2 or 3 complementary cofounders, how to test yourself as an intrapreneur first, and why resilience and health are non-negotiable (00:29:16) Why he chose to lead Nerovate in Saudi, how Vision 2030 is reshaping the startup ecosystem, and his belief that sustainability and profitability can reinforce each other when you build the right digital water solutions for the region Find us on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and Youtube.

    39 min

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Conversations with leading emerging markets movers and shakers on their personal journeys and insights into the countries in which they operate. 

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