The Future Lab with Lee Schneider Season 3

Lee Schneider

In Season 3, The Future Lab goes after the big questions that authors, parents, and educators are asking about why people are spending less time reading than ever before. And we'll also be checking in with some of our previous guests. Guests include librarians and educators, authors, publishers, agents, YouTube and TikTok reviewers, and audiobook producers. Join Lee Schneider for season three of The Future Lab.

  1. 7 hr ago

    Kelly Gallagher

    Veteran teacher and author Kelly Gallagher explains why kids have turned away from reading, and what parents and teachers can do to bring them back. Kelly taught high school English for 35 years. He's the author of *Readicide: How Schools Are Killing Reading*. His work has earned him the National Council of Teachers of English's Kent Williamson Exemplary Leader Award (2024), the Adolescent Literacy Thought Leader Award (2018) and the California Association of Teachers of English Award for Classroom Excellence. In this episode, Lee Schneider talks with Kelly about the forces pushing young people away from books. Some of those forces include: test-driven schooling, teaching techniques that make assigned reading a chore, social media that is built to be addictive, the temptation to take AI shortcuts instead of actually reading the book assigned. Kelly shares that when he was in the classroom90% of his recent 12th graders admitted they had "fake read" their way through school, meaning that they hadn't read a novel in years and only had read excerpts. Kelly Gallagher website: https://www.kellygallagher.org/ Creators & Guests Lee Schneider - Host Kelly Gallagher - Guest Topics mentioned in this episode: No Child Left Behind and the testing era — 0:15 (covers how testing narrowed reading and the imbalance)Over-teaching books — 1:48 (covers the Readicide concept, the 10-week worksheet, and the movie analogy)Long-form vs. short-form reading — 3:28 (covers biliterate readers and developmental windows)Benefits of fiction: empathy and wellbeing — 5:33Sophie's Choice: why AI summaries can't replace reading — 6:57Self-selected reading and the classroom library — 8:45 (covers book talks, graphic novels, and student choice)90% of seniors fake-read — 14:57AI reading is not reading — 16:17 (covers the Joan Didion example, windows and mirrors, and the boiling frog)Reading in class: if they're not reading with you, they're not reading without you — 21:26 (covers reigniting reluctant readers)Book banning: then and now — 25:49 (covers the irony of shielding kids and books as imaginative rehearsalsBooks mentioned in this episode include: Readicide: How Schools Are Killing Reading and What You Can Do About It (Stenhouse, 2009) | Kelly Gallagher | Bookshop · Amazon · Author site Reader, Come Home: The Reading Brain in a Digital World | Maryanne Wolf | Bookshop · Amazon · Author site · HarperCollins Teens Choosing to Read: Fostering Social, Emotional, and Intellectual Growth Through Books (2023) | Gay Ivey & Peter Johnston | Bookshop · Amazon · Teachers College Press The Year of Magical Thinking | Joan Didion Sophie's Choice| William Styron A Lesson Before Dying | Ernest J. Gaines The House on Mango Street | Sandra Cisneros Of Mice and Men | John Steinbeck

    Kelly Gallagher
  2. 7 Oct

    Richie Billing

    Fantasy author Richie Billing returns to the Future Lab Podcast to talk about The Breakaways, a dark fantasy comedy about a crew of spectacularly useless monster hunters. He and Lee Schneider discuss mixing grit with slapstick, writing a novel in weekly chapters on Patreon, and why selling books directly to readers lets authors keep up to 97% of each sale.  After writing the political novella Together We Rise, Richie Billing wanted something lighter. The result is The Breakaways, a "sitcom" set in a dangerous fantasy world. A crew of underqualified monster hunters take on a job they can barely handle, with funny and sometimes fatal results.  Chapters: (00:43) The Breakawaysand blending dark fantasy with comedy (04:05) Writing in chapters and getting to know the characters (07:06) Meet the crew: making incompetence relatable (10:28) Genre rules, slapstick and schadenfreude (14:08) Why go direct to readers through Patreon (18:35) Lee's serial stories, Hollywood Extinction Event(20:31) Building a audio player  with AI (21:30) Mailing lists, traffic and the economics of selling direct (24:30) Marketing for introverts (27:53) Teaching, map-making and a book-promotion vlog (31:48) The "Fixing Bad Writing" exercise (34:55) Why people are reading less (39:19) Clear prose and shorter attention spans (42:54) The future of books (43:39) Where to find The BreakawaysLinks: Richie's website: https://richiebilling.com The Breakaways in weekly chapters, plus the audiobook on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/cw/RichieBillingAlso on Amazon Creators & Guests Lee Schneider - Host Richie Billing - Guest

    Richie Billing
  3. 30 Sept

    DeAndra Davis

    Author DeAndra Davis (All the Noise at Once; The Lovers, the Liars, and Me) joins the show to talk how screen culture can help authors. She makes the case that screens can bring readers to books rather than pull them away, defends audiobooks without qualification, and explains why her drafts keep getting longer instead of shorter. She drops some hints about her upcoming books.  Davis points to adaptations — The Hunger Games, The Summer I Turned Pretty, We Were Liars — as proven on-ramps to reading, and argues for investing in book IP across a wider range of genres. The practical work, she says, is recommendation-making: connecting readers to books through the shows, films, and games they already care about. A fan of a show could easily become the fan of a book. No agent, editor, or publisher has asked her to write shorter or more “scrollable” prose. In fact, All the Noise at Once went in the opposite direction, growing from 66,000 to roughly 92,000 words; The Lovers, the Liars, and Me from about 72,000 to around 100,000.  As an educator, Davis sees the drop in reading as a layered issue. Long (and heavy!) books can be intimidating. Schools teach test-oriented passages instead of whole books. Hardcover covers are rising. and rising hardcover prices Libraries, she notes, help tremendously, because they make so many different editions of a book available, from hardback to audiobook. She talks about what she’s reading now, what her workspace is like, and how she fills notebooks with hand-written character profiles complete with astrological charts for them. She rounds out the interview with some hints about what she’ll be publishing next. Chapters00:18 Are people reading less?00:38 Screens as an ally: adaptations, IP, and games03:23 Has the media landscape changed how she writes?04:00 Writing on contract and the shift toward romance06:42 The All the Noise at Once audiobook07:33 "Audiobooks don't count as reading" — a rebuttal10:05 Requests to write shorter and snappier11:04 Word counts, ballooning drafts, and editorial advice13:08 Smaller books, or a bigger problem?14:30 Teaching passages instead of whole books17:00 Hardcover prices and the paperback catch-2219:00 The case for libraries20:24 What DeAndra is reading now21:27 Workspace, notebooks, and a 49-inch monitor23:11 Digital drafting vs. handwritten character profiles25:29 What's books are coming next Books MentionedAll the Noise at Once · The Lovers, the Liars, and Me · André Santana (narrator) · The Hunger Games · The Summer I Turned Pretty · We Were Liars · The Kite Runner · Holly Black, The Cruel Prince series · Kamilah Cole, Wicked Endeavors and An Arcane Inheritance · Noelle Monét, Bound by Fury Creators & Guests Lee Schneider - Host DeAndra | add ALL THE NOISE AT ONCE on GR! - Guest

    DeAndra Davis

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In Season 3, The Future Lab goes after the big questions that authors, parents, and educators are asking about why people are spending less time reading than ever before. And we'll also be checking in with some of our previous guests. Guests include librarians and educators, authors, publishers, agents, YouTube and TikTok reviewers, and audiobook producers. Join Lee Schneider for season three of The Future Lab.