Pam sits down with Vince Galea, "The Friendly Principal," a K-8 principal in Ontario, Canada, whose leadership content has grown to over 14,000 followers in under a year. They talk about why rescuing people out of love still robs them of the chance to grow, and what it really takes to lead with both accountability and heart. Full episode description: Vince Galea is a K-8 principal in a large urban district in Ontario, Canada, known online as "The Friendly Principal." What started as a way to share a positive voice in education leadership grew from 5,000 to over 14,000 Instagram followers in less than a year. In this conversation, Vince and Pam dig into his "hills he'll die on" as a school leader: relationships over programs, clarity as kindness, and the idea that culture is built in the hallway, not the staff meeting. Vince shares his own math story, including a moment early in his teaching career when two students told him, mid-lesson, that he'd taught it wrong, and how that moment of trust shaped the leader he became. The conversation turns to a harder truth: that rescuing someone out of love, whether it's a student, a staff member, or your own child, can still rob them of the chance to solve problems on their own. Vince and Pam talk through toxic positivity versus genuine optimism, staying regulated instead of reactive, and what gives Vince hope in education leadership today. Key takeaways: Rescuing someone out of love can still rob them of the chance to learn to problem-solve on their own. The greatest act of leadership love can be standing off to the side and holding space, not jumping in with the answer. Culture is built in the hallway before the bell, not in staff meetings. Toxic positivity means ignoring real problems. Genuine optimism means acknowledging them and choosing to keep going anyway. Being proactive almost always costs less time than being reactive later. Energy is contagious: what a leader brings into the building spreads, for better or worse. Notable quotes: "You don't build culture in staff meetings. You build it in the hallway before the bell, in the small moments that nobody claps for." "When I jump in too quickly to rescue, I am robbing them of the opportunity to be able to learn how to problem solve on their own." "There's no greater love than being there, standing off in the wings and offering the support you need so you can get there yourself." Guest bio: Vince Galea, known online as The Friendly Principal, is an educator and school leader with nearly two decades of experience in education. He has worked as a classroom teacher, special education teacher, consultant, vice-principal, and principal, along with system-level leadership roles. Vince believes leadership starts with relationships. He is passionate about relational and servant leadership, and about creating school communities where students, staff and families feel known, valued and supported. He believes kindness matters in leadership, not as a soft approach, but as a genuine way of working with and caring for people. Much of Vince's work centres on being student-centred, supporting educators, mentoring future leaders and building strong school communities. He is particularly interested in the everyday things leaders can do to create trust, strengthen relationships and help the people around them grow. Through The Friendly Principal, Vince shares practical, honest reflections on school leadership, education, relationships, mentorship and the people who make schools great. Connect with Vince Galea: insta: https://www.instagram.com/thefriendlyprincipal/ tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thefriendlyprincipal Connect with Dr. Pam Brett: insta: https://www.instagram.com/blueglassesmath/ bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pambrett.bsky.social linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamela-brett-23b56675/ website: https://www.blueglassesmath.org/ Subscribe to Pam's newsletter! https://shorturl.at/OTTwo
