Therapists' Take with Carrie and Josh

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Have you ever wondered what therapists talk about with each other behind closed doors? Carrie and Josh are two mental health professionals with nearly four decades of experience between the two of them; and they are opening the door to welcome you in as they discuss and critically think through mental health, relational health, recovery issues as well as the therapeutic processes involved. You'll find these episodes to be informative, compassionate, endearing, and at times, comical. Tune in to watch the LIVE broadcasts of these episodes on Facebook and YouTube.

  1. 7 hr ago

    Episode 78: On Finding the Right Therapist | Melissa Oliver

    Therapists’ Take on Finding the Right Therapist With Special Guest Melissa Oliver, LMFT | Co-Founder of Stillwater Counseling Center Finding the right therapist can be overwhelming. Between confusing credentials, different specialties, insurance coverage, scheduling conflicts, and the challenge of finding someone you genuinely connect with, knowing where to begin isn’t always easy. And here’s something that might surprise you: even therapists struggle to find the right therapist! In this episode of Therapists’ Take, hosts Joshua Nichols, LMFT, and Carrie Kyger, LMFT, welcome special guest Melissa Oliver, LMFT, co-founder of Stillwater Counseling Center, for a practical and candid conversation about navigating the process of choosing a mental health professional. Drawing from their experiences as clinicians, practice owners, and therapy clients themselves, Josh, Carrie, and Melissa unpack the many factors that influence finding the right therapeutic fit. __________________________ 00:00 – Introduction: How to Pick Your Therapist 01:54 – Meet Melissa Oliver, LMFT 06:39 – The Story Behind Stillwater Counseling Center 09:08 – Why Finding a Therapist Can Be So Difficult 11:42 – Even Therapists Struggle to Find Therapists 17:23 – Licensed Therapists, Candidates, and Clinical Interns 23:57 – Understanding Different Therapist Licenses 25:00 – LPC vs. LMFT: What's the Difference? 33:47 – Specialized Licenses and Professional Credentials 36:53 – Finding a Therapist with the Right Specialty 38:52 – Should You Request a Consultation? 41:20 – Insurance, Scheduling, Cost, and Accessibility 45:07 – A Practical Checklist for Choosing a Therapist 48:09 – When It's Time to Try a Different Therapist 49:08 – Resources, Final Thoughts, and Closing _____________ Resources & Helpful Links Psychology Today – Find a Therapist — Search for therapists by location, specialty, insurance, and other Recommended Reading Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb Counseling Practices Featured in This Episode Stillwater Counseling Center — Co-founded by our guest Melissa Oliver, LMFT, and Lauren Nahara, LMFT. Serving individuals, couples, and families in Stillwater, Oklahoma.Family Solutions Counseling — Counseling services for individuals, couples, and families in the Oklahoma City area._______________ About Our Guest: Melissa Oliver, LMFT Melissa Oliver, LMFT, is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and co-founder of Stillwater Counseling Center in Stillwater, Oklahoma. Melissa graduated from Oklahoma State University’s Marriage and Family Therapy program in 2011. Her clinical background includes working in community mental health in rural Oklahoma and serving individuals and families through Wings of Hope, a domestic violence agency in Stillwater. These experiences continue to shape her approach to clinical care and her understanding of the importance of accessible, quality mental health services. In 2019, Melissa co-founded Stillwater Counseling Center alongside fellow LMFT Lauren Nahara. What began as a small private practice has grown into a multidisciplinary counseling center with approximately 15 therapists serving individuals, couples, and families throughout Stillwater and surrounding communities. Melissa brings both professional expertise and personal perspective to this conversation, sharing her own experience navigating the surprisingly complicated process of finding a therapist—even as a mental health professional herself.

    Episode 78: On Finding the Right Therapist | Melissa Oliver
  2. 17 Apr

    Episode 77: On Pastors, Therapists, & the Human Struggle | Dr. Jim Baird

    Where does faith end and therapy begin? And what happens when the two work together? In this episode of Therapists' Take, licensed marriage and family therapists Josh Nichols and Carrie Kiger welcome Dr. Jim Baird, longtime minister and professor of philosophy and religion at Oklahoma Christian University, for a thoughtful conversation about faith, mental health, suffering, and the responsibility of caring for others. Together, we explore the similarities and differences between pastoral care and professional counseling, the importance of recognizing our limitations, and why not every struggle can—or should—be solved with a quick answer. We also discuss the role of suffering in the human experience, the emotional demands placed on those who help others, and the importance of collaboration between mental health professionals and spiritual leaders, particularly when navigating addiction, betrayal trauma, and relationship recovery. Whether you're a therapist, minister, person of faith, or simply someone trying to make sense of life's more difficult experiences, this conversation offers perspectives worth considering. Join the conversation! What role do you believe faith and professional therapy should play in emotional healing? 👍 Like this episode💬 Share your thoughts in the comments🔔 Subscribe to Therapists' Take for more conversations about mental health, relationships, and the human experience. Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational and informational purposes and is not a substitute for individualized mental health treatment. ____________________ 00:00 - Welcome to Therapists' Take 03:00 - Meet Dr. Jim Baird 10:00 - The Changing Relationship Between Ministry and Mental Health 15:00 - Pastoral Counseling vs. Professional Therapy 23:30 - Recognizing Our Limitations as Helpers 31:30 - Understanding Pain, Suffering, and Healing 43:30 - Faith, Addiction, and Betrayal Trauma Recovery 49:00 - Finding Connection and Meaning Through Difficult Experiences

    Episode 77: On Pastors, Therapists, & the Human Struggle | Dr. Jim Baird
  3. 17 Apr

    Episode 76: On What Mindfulness Really Is | Kristen Callaway, LMFT

    In this episode of Therapist Take Podcast, we welcome back licensed therapist Kristen Callaway for a practical, down-to-earth conversation on mindfulness….without the eye rolls. Together, we unpack what mindfulness actually is (hint: it’s not just meditation), why it can feel uncomfortable or even threatening, and how it connects to your nervous system and trauma responses. Kristen shares how mindfulness helps you move from reacting to responding, and offers simple, real-life tools you can use in moments of stress—whether you're stuck in traffic, overwhelmed at home, or navigating anxiety. We also explore how building awareness can help you better understand what you truly need, break cycles of avoidance, and grow confidence in handling difficult emotions. If mindfulness has ever felt inaccessible, unrealistic, or just not “your thing,” this episode reframes it into something practical, flexible, and deeply human. _____________________ 00:00 – Introduction & welcome 01:16 – Introducing Kristen Callaway 03:13 – Why mindfulness (and why people resist it) 04:30 – Mindfulness vs. meditation 07:04 – What mindfulness actually is (simple definition) 09:11 – Why mindfulness is hard (especially for avoiders) 10:06 – Trauma and discomfort with awareness 12:02 – Everyday disconnection from internal signals 13:02 – The nervous system & polyvagal theory explained 14:33 – Fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses 16:23 – Reacting vs. responding to perceived threats 19:36 – Mindfulness as acceptance (not avoidance) 20:18 – Practical tools: naming, distancing, and breathing 21:46 – How to regulate your nervous system in real time 22:00 – Asking: “What do I need right now?” 24:27 – Panic attacks, breathing, and sensory grounding 26:33 – Awareness → identifying needs 27:13 – Meeting basic and emotional needs 28:50 – Real-life example: anxiety while driving 31:10 – Emotional release & the “cry song” concept 33:28 – Human discomfort & avoidance patterns 35:12 – Thera-Sense Game 41:35 – Closing thoughts & where to find Kristen __________________ Resources from this Episode: Note: As Amazon Associates, we earn on qualifying purchases. Polyvagal Theory (Stephen Porges) – Understanding how the nervous system detects and responds to threat - https://amzn.to/4cESDIS Breathing – Techniques to activate the parasympathetic nervous system - https://amzn.to/4tcZX5i Feelings Wheel – Tool for identifying emotions - - https://amzn.to/41BqoWj EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) – Trauma-focused therapy approach - https://amzn.to/4vz721A “How to Keep House While Drowning” (book) – Mentioned in relation to Kristen’s podcast series - https://amzn.to/3QfG13m _________________ ABOUT OUR GUEST: Kristen Callaway is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and the owner of Seeking Peace Counseling. She is EMDR-certified and an Oklahoma-approved licensed supervisor, with additional certification as a first responder counselor. Kristen specializes in working with adults navigating trauma, anxiety, and grief, with a particular focus on military service members and first responders. Her approach integrates nervous system awareness, mindfulness, and trauma-informed care to help clients build resilience and healing. She is also the host of the podcast Let’s Sit With This, where she shares grounding tools, encouragement, and honest conversations about life’s challenges. Outside of her clinical work, Kristen enjoys running (including half marathons), baking, and spending time with her husband—a military veteran and law enforcement officer—and their two children. Connect with Kristen: Website: seekingpeace.com Podcast: Let’s Sit With This - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lets-sit-with-this/id1818168015 _______________ For more great content, please check out our LinkTree at https://www.linktr.ee/familysolutionsok Social: Seeking Peace Counseling (Facebook & Instagram)

    Episode 76: On What Mindfulness Really Is | Kristen Callaway, LMFT
  4. 24 Mar

    Episode 75: The Healing Power of Films & Film-Making | Erin Elizabeth Cook (guest)

    Why do some films leave us speechless, stirred, or suddenly more aware of our own lives? In this episode of Therapists’ Take, we sit down with actor, producer, and screenwriter Erin Elizabeth Cook, whose current film in production features Martin Sheen. Together, we explore how storytelling onscreen doesn’t just entertain, it evokes emotion, builds empathy, and influences how we understand ourselves and others. From a clinical lens, we examine the psychological mechanisms that make movies powerful tools for emotionalprocessing and identity formation. From Erin’s perspective inside the industry, we unpack how characters are developed, how emotional arcs are crafted, and what it takes to portray vulnerability in a way that feels authentic rather than performative. This conversation bridges the therapeutic and the cinematic, revealing how the stories we watch often echo the stories we’re living. __________________ 00:00 - Hi, Carrie! 08:20 - The One Film 12:59 - Martin Sheen 16:48 - Character Development 23:25 - A Larger Purpose - Posttraumatic Growth 27:10 - Writing Our Own Story 43:50 - Telling Your Story 44:15 - Self-Awareness & Method Acting 54:25 - Mental Health Attunement on Set 01:05:00 - Information for "The One" Movie ____________ About the Author: Erin Elizabeth Cook Producer/Screenwriter/Actor-Erin Elizabeth Cook started training for her career in Theatre, Television, and Film at the age of twelve. She has appeared on various TV Shows, Theatrical Productions, Commercials, and Films across the United States including Texas, California, Oregon and Oklahoma, both in front and behind the camera.  After making the decision to leave LA and taking a long personal hiatus, Erin re-launched her career in her home state in 2014. Since then, she has had over 30 speaking roles in various Films including "Awake", "If Looks Could Kill", and "The Unbreakable Boy". Erin is also an Award Winning Screenwriter and Producer. Having interned directly under a Producer on over 20 sets in LA and at home, she recently set out to produce her own content. She has won over 30 Awards for her Screenplay "The TentVille Knights" including The Golden Pen Screenwriter of the Year Award in 2023. "Chasing Shadows", a short film that she Produced, wrote, and starred in, had it's Hollywood World Premiere at the Beverly Hills Film Festival at the TCL Chinese Theaters in 2024. During that time, she was also deep into development for her first Feature Film which she wrote, produced, and co-starred in. "The One", starring Martin Sheen, Jana Kramer, Nick Zano, Olivia Sanabia, and Noah Redclay was filmed entirely in Oklahoma thanks to incentives and the Filmed in Oklahoma Act and features new songs from "We The Kings" and "The Imaginaries".While awaiting a late 2026 release, she is in development on another Feature film and an Episodic. She just completed her fourth Feature Screenplay, "Second Shift". When she's not working, she loves spending time with her furry children, helping other pets find their forever homes, and advocating for PTSD and mental health awareness. Connect with Erin on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/erinelizabethcookofficial _________________ Information on "The One" Movie Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theonefeaturefilm Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/theone-movie Facades Short Film: https://youtu.be/i3V4y2ksRq0?si=fOwayjcy36STLhtu ______________________ Please check us out on our linktree for more great content: https://linktr.ee/familysolutionsok

    Episode 75: The Healing Power of Films & Film-Making | Erin Elizabeth Cook (guest)
  5. 23 Feb

    Episode 74: On the Healing Power of the Stage

    What if stories aren’t just something we consume, but something we step into, feel in our bodies, and experience together? In this episode of Therapists’ Take, we sit down with Rev. Jim Perkin, founder of Bedford Theatre and longtime community arts leader, to explore the healing potential of live performance. Though Jim isn’t a mental health professional, his decades in ministry and community theatre offer a practical and deeply human perspective on how the stage can spark connection, meaning, and personal growth. We talk about how theatre invites people into stories bigger than themselves, creates safe space for emotional expression, and fosters a powerful sense of belonging—both for those on stage and those in the audience. From the vulnerability of performing live to the shared ritual of gathering around a story, this conversation reveals how creative experiences can nurture reflection, resilience, and hope. _________________ 00:00 - Hi, Carrie! Hi, Jim! 03:31 - Jim's Story & the Bedford Theatre 13:15 - Can Theater Help Us Be Better? 17:45 - The Power of Our Imagination 19:05 - Creating a Better You 28:45 - The Audience Is Part of the Show 34:55 - Belonging 38:09 - Musical Match-Ups (fun) 50:45 - Auditioning Info _________________ ABOUT OUR GUEST: REV. JIM PERKIN Rev. Jim Perkin is the founder of Bedford Theatre and a lifelong advocate for the arts, community, and ministry. He graduated from Oklahoma City University in 2000 with a Bachelor of Arts in Religion and earned a Master of Divinity with high honors from Phillips Theological Seminary in 2010. Jim has been active in ministry since the age of 18, serving in numerous pastoral and youth ministry roles across Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri, including appointments in Poteau, Snyder, Indiahoma, Moore First, Nowata, and Denton (KS) United Methodist Churches. He and his wife have also served as Family Counselors at the United Methodist Boys Ranch near Gore, Oklahoma. Jim’s love for theatre and the arts runs deep. He spent six years volunteering with Good Times Community Theatre in Poteau, Oklahoma, where he built sets and designed and ran lights and sound. He also served on their board of directors for four years, the final two as President. Today, Jim continues his involvement in the arts through Bedford Theatre at Nichols Hills United Methodist Church, where he serves as Producer for most shows and Director for their upcoming production of Seussical (the Musical). In addition to his work in ministry and theatre, Jim enjoys playing guitar, singing, sports, and spending time with his family. He has a deep passion for helping people grow in their relationship with Jesus Christ and connect more fully with God—a calling he first felt at age 15 during a formative experience at Camp Egan near Tahlequah, Oklahoma, and one that continues to shape his life and work today. _________________ Check out the following links related to Rev. Perkin and his ministry through the arts: Bedford TheatreWebsite - https://nicholshillsumc.org/bedford-theatre/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/bedfordtheatre1212Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/bedfordtheatreNichols Hills United Methodist Church Website - https://nicholshillsumc.org/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/nicholshillsumcInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/nicholshillsumc__________________ For more great content or to learn more about mental health services we offer, please check out our LinkTree - https://www.linktr.ee/familysolutionsok

    Episode 74: On the Healing Power of the Stage
  6. 12 Feb

    Episode 73: On the Tragedy of Abrupt Changes to Couple Dynamics Upon Discovery of Infidelity

    Infidelity doesn’t just damage trust, it changes the emotional landscape of a relationship almost overnight. In this episode of Therapists’ Take, we unpack the complex shifts couples often face in the aftermath of betrayal, exploring how identity, connection, and stability can suddenly feel uncertain. Rather than focusing only on the event itself, we look at the relational ripple effects: evolving roles, fluctuating power dynamics, and the emotional disorientation many partners experience. Drawing from clinical insight and real-world patterns, we discuss concepts like liminal space, ambivalent attachment, and the unexpected relational dynamics that can emerge during repair attempts. This conversation is designed for clinicians, couples working through rupture, and anyone interested in understanding how relationships reorganize after a breach of trust — and what healing can realistically look like. ___________ 00:00 - Hi, Zander & Mackenzie 06:47 - Episode Breakdown 07:14 - The Liminal State 16:21 - The Mother-Son Phenomenon 29:03 - The One-Down Position 30:30 - Desire for Retribution 34:29 - the Progress Paradox 39:40 - Community ____________________ Books: Ambiguous Loss by Pauline Boss - https://amzn.to/3ZTA2CVThe Betrayal Bond by Michelle Mays - https://amzn.to/3MorrVyHurting with God by Glenn Pemberton - https://amzn.to/4ahOqe0Sapiens by Yuval Harari - https://amzn.to/4copqTJState of Affairs by Esther Perel - https://amzn.to/4kvysjUAs Amazon Associates, we earn from qualifying purchases. __________________ More on Mackenzie Camp Article: Better Boundaries: Introducing The PARC, a New Relational Tool - Family Solutions Counseling Profile Page: Mackenzie Camp - Family Solutions Counseling_________________ For more great content or to learn more about the services we offer at Family Solutions Counseling, please click on our LinkTree - https://www.linktr.ee/familysolutionsok

    Episode 73: On the Tragedy of Abrupt Changes to Couple Dynamics Upon Discovery of Infidelity
  7. 23 Jan

    Episode 72: On Safety Planning | Brian Putnam

    In this episode of Therapists’ Take, we welcome back published author and practicing family law attorney Brian Putnam to continue our conversation on Escaping Domestic Abuse, the title of his book and the framework for this important series. This time, our focus is on one of the most critical and practical aspects of leaving an abusive relationship - safety planning. Together, we walk through how to thoughtfully develop a safety plan, what essential items and documents should be gathered in advance, how to safely execute the plan, and what survivors can expect in the immediate aftermath of leaving. Brian brings both his legal expertise and his deep understanding of the lived realities survivors face, helping translate complex decisions into clear, actionable steps. We also discuss a comprehensive safety planning checklist that Brian has created and generously shared with our listeners (see like below). This resource is designed to help individuals think through each phase of the process with greater clarity, preparation, and support. This episode is an empowering, practical continuation of our exploration of how to move from surviving abuse to taking concrete steps toward safety and stability. --------------- 00:00 - Hi, Carrie (introduction) 01:37 - Introducing Our Guest, Brian Putnam 03:00 - The Book 06:28 - Empowered through Leaving 11:15 - The Checklist 13:10 - Preparing to Leave 21:05 - Items to Take 26:55 - Executing the Plan 34:32 - You Left, but It's Not Over ____________ The Checklist - https://shorturl.at/pzAj3 ____________ About Our Guest: Brian Putnam is an experienced attorney, advocate, and author of Escaping Domestic Abuse: A Step-by-Step Guide to Breaking Free. Through his legal work and writing, Brian provides survivors with clear, compassionate guidance for navigating the legal system and safely leaving abusive situations. For more information about Brian and/or the legal services his team provides, please visit https://www.PutnamLawOffice.com. To purchase the book, Escaping Domestic Abuse: A Step-by-Step Guide to Breaking Free, you can do so by clicking the following link - https://amzn.to/47zeFeS As Amazon Affiliates, we earn from qualifying purchases. ----------------- Domestic Abuse Resources: Escaping Domestic Abuse (book) by Brian Putnam – see link above National Domestic Violence Hotline – 1 (800) 799-SAFE(7233)YWCA - ⁠https://www.ywca.org/⁠ Oklahoma Specific Domestic Abuse Resources:OK Domestic Violence Hotline – 1 (800) 522-SAFE (7233) YWCA OKC– ⁠https://www.ywcaokc.org/⁠ Palomar - ⁠https://palomarokc.org/ ⁠Cardinal Point - ⁠https://cardinalpointok.org/ ⁠Latino Community Development - ⁠https://www.lcdaok.com/ ⁠Sanctuary Women’s Development - ⁠https://www.lcdaok.com/ _________________ For more great content or to learn more about our mental health services, please check out our linktree - https://linktr.ee/familysolutionsok

    Episode 72: On Safety Planning | Brian Putnam
  8. 16 Jan

    Episode 71: On Therapists Being Humans, Too!

    Therapists are often expected to be calm, neutral, and unaffected, regardless of what enters the room. Yet therapists are human—and that humanity is not a liability; it is an essential part of the clinical process. In this episode of Therapists’ Take, we examine what it truly means when therapists are human and why that matters in practice. We explore the distinction between having internal reactions and acting on them, how self-awareness functions as clinical data, and why professionalism is not the absence of feeling, but the capacity to regulate and use it ethically. The episode concludes with our bonus segment, “Would We Say That in Session?”, where we evaluate popular mental health phrases and separate social media advice from sound clinical practice. This conversation is for clients, clinicians, and anyone interested in how therapy remains both deeply human and clinically safe ________________ 00:00 - Introduction | Hi, Carrie! 02:00 - The Unaffected Therapist 09:25 - Self-Disclosure as a Tool 17:45 - Problem Solvers 19:32 - Course Correction 30:27 - Would we say that in session? _______________ Book: Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb - https://amzn.to/4pDQEbZ Book: Letters to a Young Therapist by Mary Pipher - https://amzn.to/4pEfXL3 As Amazon Associates, we earn from qualifying purchases _____________ For more great content or information on mental health services we provide, please check out our linktree - https://linktr.ee/familysolutionsok.com

    Episode 71: On Therapists Being Humans, Too!

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Have you ever wondered what therapists talk about with each other behind closed doors? Carrie and Josh are two mental health professionals with nearly four decades of experience between the two of them; and they are opening the door to welcome you in as they discuss and critically think through mental health, relational health, recovery issues as well as the therapeutic processes involved. You'll find these episodes to be informative, compassionate, endearing, and at times, comical. Tune in to watch the LIVE broadcasts of these episodes on Facebook and YouTube.