Tongue First

Siren and Wendy
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Two sapphic voices. One mic. And the kind of questions people don’t always say out loud. Welcome to Tongue First — a queer, sapphic podcast where curiosity gets a little closer… and conversations go a little deeper. Hosted by Siren — trans woman, poet, and emotional-support bottom — and Wendy — cis lesbian baddie with confidence, chaos, and zero interest in sugarcoating anything — this is what happens when you put two very different energies in the same space… and unleash them. Season 1 is a shift. Less performance. More presence. Still playful, still a little unhinged — but now we mean it. Fully unscripted and always honest, these are real conversations about identity, relationships, sex, and the moments that hit harder than expected — with special guests joining every other episode to bring new perspectives, stories, and a little extra chaos into the mix. From messy connections and late realizations to desire, growth, and the “wait… what is this?” moments — nothing is off limits, and nothing is too real. Some episodes feel like a deep late-night conversation. Others spiral into chaos — most live somewhere in between. Whether you’re here to laugh, reflect, feel seen, or just hear someone finally say the thing you’ve been thinking… You’re in the right place. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer… and don’t forget to lick responsibly.

  1. 20 Oct

    Weird on Purpose, Strong Like a Vagina, and Origami Customs with Rae Hill

    This week on Tongue First, Siren and Wendy sit down with Rae Hill (they/them), the founder of Origami Customs: a Montreal-based line of gender-affirming garments made by queer and trans people, with the money going back into their wages and their gender-affirming healthcare. Rae started sewing swimwear for scuba diving friends in the Caribbean and ended up building a company that works with about a hundred organizations on five continents to get binders, gaffs, and other garments to people who can't afford them. They talk about training pharmacists, hearing from parents who are suddenly looking for non-medical gender-affirming support, and why the work gets harder every time funding disappears. Then it gets personal. Rae explains how reading Donna Haraway's Cyborg Manifesto helped them peel apart the labels they grew up with, why they got a head tattoo and never grew their hair back, and what it means to want to "look fucking weird" on purpose. Siren talks about feeling like she was bad at gender because she's a flannel girl who wears a dress once every other month. Wendy talks about being a masc girl who has never felt comfortable in lace. Also in this episode: being the educator when you're tired, the difference between curious questions and bad-faith ones, a place to log off, a tangent about why "stop being a p***y" has it exactly backward, the secret trans takeover meeting, a debate over pineapple on a baked potato, and what sixteen-year-old Rae in a pirate hat would say about the life they have now. If you've ever felt like you were doing gender wrong, or you want to know how to show up for someone who's figuring theirs out, this one is for you. Find Rae and Origami Customs at origamicustoms.com, and @origamicustoms on Instagram and YouTube. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

    Weird on Purpose, Strong Like a Vagina, and Origami Customs with Rae Hill

  2. 7 Oct

    "Are You Gay?", Dash Cam Frat Boys, and the Matilda Cake with Miranda Batterson

    This week on Tongue First, Siren and Wendy welcome Miranda Batterson: an Uber driver in Florida, a mom to a nine-year-old gamer named Cooper, and one of the TikTok community friends who became a real-life friend. If the name sounds familiar, Miranda is married to Melissa Batterson, better known as Mother Clucker, who joined us last week for Episode 21. Yes, she's the one who got back in her Honda Civic. Miranda's coming out story starts on a recliner at sixteen, when her mom looked up from the TV and asked, "Are you gay?" Her answer, "I think so," got her banned from sleepovers at the house of any girl who was out, so she did what any teenager would do and stopped telling her mom who was gay. She talks about keeping a spare set of clothes in her school locker, being told for years that it was a phase, and how she's still figuring out how she identifies. She also gets honest about the flirting. Miranda tells us the exact moment she realized she wanted to flirt with Siren on purpose (it involved a pudding cup and no spoon), and she's clear that the friendship matters more to her than any of it. Then it's Uberland: what it's like to be visibly queer in Florida while driving strangers around, the riders who have no idea who they're tipping, and the college boys who asked for their own dash cam footage. She also talks about raising Cooper with two moms in a red state, a school that has him make two Mother's Day gifts, why the family is headed for North Carolina, and what her sixteen-year-old self would say about the life she has now. Also: Wendy's "snacky snack" nickname, a kitchen clock that plays "Killing Me Softly" on the hour and may be haunted by her grandmother, and the Matilda cake that her wife drove to three bakeries to find. If you've ever come out in a place that wasn't ready for you, or needed to hear that the sixteen-year-old version of you made it, this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

    "Are You Gay?", Dash Cam Frat Boys, and the Matilda Cake with Miranda Batterson

  3. 28 Sept

    White-Picket-Fence Guilt, Free Mom Hugs, and the Nudist's Goat Farm with Melissa Batterson

    This week on Tongue First, Siren and Wendy welcome Melissa Batterson, better known as Mother Clucker. She's a chicken tender, a mom of three, a work-at-home healthcare worker, and a member of the TikTok community who has slowly become a real-life friend. Melissa tells her coming out story: a boyfriend's lesbian best friend, a threesome, a roller derby rink, and a five-year relationship that ended when she learned how that partner had treated her kids behind her back. Growing up in the church made all of it harder to process. She talks about cleaning the pews on Saturdays as a kid, the mega church therapist who told her she needed to leave her partner because they were "unequally yoked," and the slow, ongoing work of deconstructing everything she was taught. The heart of the episode is the guilt she carried for years about not giving her kids the white picket fence she grew up with, and how much better a parent she became once she let it go. She also tells the story of the afternoon two strangers told her she'd burn in hell in front of her children, and what her wife did next. That opens up a conversation about harassment, internalized homophobia, and what it costs to keep being out in public. Then things get funnier. Melissa explains how a teenager ends up spending a summer on a nudist goat farm, and introduces us to her chickens by name, along with the dog situation and the rooster who lost his authority. The episode ends on her core values for her kids, a vote to make her the world's mom, and a debate about kidney beans that nobody asked for. Also: Wendy's big job news, Siren's mom getting called Carol, and the most emotional Siren has been on an episode in a long time. If you've ever spent years feeling guilty for a family that didn't look the way you were told it should, or just needed a good laugh about goats, this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

    White-Picket-Fence Guilt, Free Mom Hugs, and the Nudist's Goat Farm with Melissa Batterson

  4. 22 Sept

    Blood of the Coven, Tankless Water Heaters, and Reclaiming Her Power with Dalyss Saari

    This week on Tongue First, Siren and Wendy welcome Dalyss Saari — artist, mother, and American expat currently living in Birmingham, England, six months into a life she built almost entirely on her own terms. Dalyss opens up about growing up as one of twelve kids and never quite getting the attention she needed, a father whose abuse led to a restraining order when she was just fifteen, and a mother whose narcissism made the whole thing feel like a non-issue for years. She talks about finding her voice through art instead — first as a tattoo artist starting at nineteen, and now through a stunning, ongoing series of paintings that turns insecurities, fruit, flowers, and the female body into something worth worshipping instead of hiding. The conversation moves through her decade-long marriage to a man while identifying as very much not straight, what ethical non-monogamy looks like for her, and the surprisingly clarifying experience of her husband temporarily moving back to the US for work while she stays behind with their kids, finding a version of her own voice she didn't know she needed space for. They also get into Southern Baptist religious trauma, a horrifying "are you two lesbians?" moment shouted across a lake when she was fourteen, and how she left the church entirely to build something more expansive — witchy, curious, and entirely her own. If you've ever had to leave something familiar to finally feel free, needed proof that art can hold trauma and joy at the same time, or just wanted to hear someone reclaim their power in real time — this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Find Dalyss's art on Instagram at @a.muse.ing_universe. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981

    Blood of the Coven, Tankless Water Heaters, and Reclaiming Her Power with Dalyss Saari

  5. 14 Sept

    Meeting the Wifey, Twenty Years of Silence, and Us Against the Problem with Jessica Reeves

    This week on Tongue First, Siren finally gets to interview the woman at the center of so many of this show's stories — Wendy's wife, Jessica Reeves. Jess opens up about a childhood marked by abuse that started at age three and was met with silence from nearly everyone who should have protected her — until she finally reported her grandfather in her thirties and was disowned by much of her family for it. She talks about a first marriage built on coercive control, meeting Wendy while both of them were married to other people, and the "before Wendy" era they've since nicknamed the Dingle Hopper phase. The conversation doesn't shy away from the hard parts either. Jess speaks honestly about the period she pulled away from Wendy entirely — the ghosting, the silence, the aftermath of an aneurysm that made shutting down feel like the only option — and what it actually looked like when Wendy handed her a notebook and a pen and asked her to write down why she wanted to stay. Siren asks Jess directly what she understands now that she didn't before, what she's most afraid of, and how it feels knowing parts of this community have been skeptical of her. Jess answers all of it without flinching, and Wendy delivers one of the most direct, protective statements this show has ever aired about what she needs from the people in her life going forward. If you've ever had to choose yourself after a lifetime of putting everyone else first, needed proof that real accountability sounds different than an excuse, or just wanted to finally meet the woman behind so many of Wendy's stories — this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

    Meeting the Wifey, Twenty Years of Silence, and Us Against the Problem with Jessica Reeves

  6. 7 Sept

    The Kentucky Derby, the Book Club Alibi, and Choosing Each Other with Bo and Squeezy

    This week on Tongue First, Wendy flips the format and sit down to interview Bo-Dara and Squeezy — the two women you've heard reading intros, outros, and ad reads for months, and the two people who make up the rest of Siren's throuple. Squeezy takes us back to 2013, to a panic attack in the corner of a restaurant during the Kentucky Derby that led to a handwritten letter to her parents, a curfew, and an invasive evaluation at Johns Hopkins that neither she nor her parents were prepared for. What follows is a story about a family's slow, complete transformation — from imposed restrictions to a mother who found her the right therapist and a father who told his own parents, "this is happening, you got to deal with it." Bo-Dara shares her own story — leaving the church in her late teens, years spent quietly knowing she wasn't only attracted to men, a marriage that had gone quiet long before it ended, and the TikTok live that changed everything. She and Siren and Wendy walk through New Orleans in vivid detail — the night everything shifted, the tears in a parking lot in Ohio, and the decision, not the accident, to build a life together. They also get into what's actually hard about being three people in a relationship instead of two, what's surprisingly easy, and the ongoing reality of Bo-Dara not yet being out to her own family — including the elaborate, mostly true cover story her mother currently believes. If you've ever wondered what it actually takes to choose a life that looks nothing like the one you were living, or wanted to hear directly from the two voices behind so many of this show's credits — this one is for you. Also — this episode includes a shoutout to Only Crits Dice, our affiliate partner for anyone who games. Use code TONGUEFIRST for 15% off at onlycrits.com. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

    The Kentucky Derby, the Book Club Alibi, and Choosing Each Other with Bo and Squeezy

  7. 1 Sept

    Married on a Tuesday, Marriage Equality, and the Fight That Isn't Over

    This week on Tongue First, it's just Siren and Wendy — and Wendy has news. She and Jess got married. On a Tuesday. Less than 72 hours before this recording. Wendy opens up about what made this moment feel different from every relationship before it — real accountability, real reassurance, and the kind of showing up that finally let her stop waiting for the other shoe to drop. She talks honestly about who knew, who didn't, the mixed reactions from friends and family, and what she's still working through even in the middle of something this joyful. From there, the episode shifts into a history lesson neither host expected to need: the fight for marriage equality in the United States. Baker v. Nelson. The Defense of Marriage Act. Edith Windsor and the tax bill that changed everything. Massachusetts becoming the first state to legalize same-sex marriage. And Obergefell v. Hodges — the ruling that made Wendy's first wedding, and now this one, legally possible, just ten years ago. The conversation doesn't stay in the past. Siren and Wendy talk about what's happening right now — and read the story of Autumn Hill, a trans activist recently sentenced to 50 years in federal prison following a protest. It's a heavy turn, and they sit with it honestly before closing the episode with a reminder to vote and to show up for each other. A heads up: this episode includes detailed discussion of a federal raid, imprisonment, and violence against a trans activist. Please take care of yourself while listening. If you've ever needed reassurance that real love looks different than what hurt you before, or needed to be reminded that the rights you have were fought for and can still be taken away — this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 Check out Only Crits at OnlyCrits.com New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

    Married on a Tuesday, Marriage Equality, and the Fight That Isn't Over

  8. 24 Aug

    Dungeons and Dragons, Assless Chaps, and Accidental Pride with Mitch Grzegorek

    This week on Tongue First, Siren and Wendy welcome Mitch Grzegorek — Siren's friend of nearly twenty years, met through Xbox Live back in the Halo days, and officially the first straight man to ever guest on this podcast. Mitch and Siren's friendship started as usernames and headsets — Cows of Chaos and whatever Siren was going by at the time — and grew into something much deeper through years of Dungeons and Dragons campaigns together. Mitch was there when Siren came out as trans mid-campaign, and he brings a genuinely moving perspective on what that moment looked like from the outside, how his understanding of Siren has evolved, and why D&D turned out to be the perfect place for all of it to unfold. They also get into Mitch's completely accidental first Pride — a pregnant wife, a pho craving, and a subway ride that dropped him directly into the middle of a parade he had no idea was happening — plus D&D as a space for queer identity experimentation, character creation as self discovery, and what it means to actually show up as an ally instead of just claiming the label. Also: Trader Joe's discourse, an accidental video mishap, Sega generational humor, and Wendy considering rolling up her very first male character. If you've ever wondered what real, unwavering friendship looks like from a straight guy who just gets it, or needed a reminder that showing up consistently matters more than saying the right things — this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

    Dungeons and Dragons, Assless Chaps, and Accidental Pride with Mitch Grzegorek
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Two sapphic voices. One mic. And the kind of questions people don’t always say out loud. Welcome to Tongue First — a queer, sapphic podcast where curiosity gets a little closer… and conversations go a little deeper. Hosted by Siren — trans woman, poet, and emotional-support bottom — and Wendy — cis lesbian baddie with confidence, chaos, and zero interest in sugarcoating anything — this is what happens when you put two very different energies in the same space… and unleash them. Season 1 is a shift. Less performance. More presence. Still playful, still a little unhinged — but now we mean it. Fully unscripted and always honest, these are real conversations about identity, relationships, sex, and the moments that hit harder than expected — with special guests joining every other episode to bring new perspectives, stories, and a little extra chaos into the mix. From messy connections and late realizations to desire, growth, and the “wait… what is this?” moments — nothing is off limits, and nothing is too real. Some episodes feel like a deep late-night conversation. Others spiral into chaos — most live somewhere in between. Whether you’re here to laugh, reflect, feel seen, or just hear someone finally say the thing you’ve been thinking… You’re in the right place. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer… and don’t forget to lick responsibly.

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  • Creator
    Siren and Wendy
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    29
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Siren and Wendy
  • Show Website
    Tongue First