Make It Mindful: An Education Podcast

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Make It Mindful is a podcast for educators and school leaders who think seriously about how learning is changing and want to explore what to do next. Hosted by Seth Fleischauer, founder of Banyan Global Learning and former classroom teacher, the show covers three territories: what AI actually changes about teaching and learning, what it takes to help students connect meaningfully across cultures, and the human conditions — belonging, awe, trust, emotional regulation — that learning depends on regardless of what else changes. Guests include district administrators, researchers, clinical psychologists, curriculum designers, and classroom practitioners. Conversations are long-form and honest. Produced by Banyan Global Learning.

  1. 3 days ago

    #87 Investing in Relentless Visionaries: How Venture Philanthropy Creates Global Impact with Brighter Children's Katie Wales

    In this episode of Make It Mindful, Seth talks with Katie Hurley Wales — Executive Director of Brighter Children, an all-volunteer nonprofit that funds primary education across India, Colombia, Honduras, Kenya, and Guatemala — about what venture philanthropy actually looks like in practice, and what it takes to build schools that outlast the funders who supported them. Brighter Children doesn't bring educational models to the communities it works in; it identifies local leaders who already have the vision and the trust of their communities, and invests in their capacity to execute it. Together, Seth and Katie explore what distinguishes a philanthropic investment from a transaction, why primary education is Brighter Children's specific lever for breaking generational poverty, and how a rigorous 46-factor due diligence process sits alongside gut instinct when finding school partners. They trace the arc of Brighter Children's work in Honduras, where Shin Fujiyama moved into a community with 65-70% out-of-school rates and gang violence severe enough that the school competed directly with MS-13 for recruits — and where this summer marks the fifth high school graduating class in an area that had a 0% graduation rate when they started. They also talk about what children in these communities understand about education that children in wealthier contexts often don't: not as an abstraction, but as a concrete pathway tied to health, economic mobility, and the stability of their family. The episode closes with a Kenyan student named Peter, a top-scoring secondary school student who wants to be an oncologist because his little sister died of cancer — and the question of what it means to invest in one child who might save hundreds. Key topics: Venture philanthropy vs. transactional charity in education fundingTrust-based philanthropy and local leadershipDue diligence for selecting school partners (46-factor framework)Primary education as a lever for breaking generational povertyCommunity-led school models across India, Honduras, Kenya, and GuatemalaPatient capital and long-term investment in schoolsWhat families in under-resourced communities understand about educationLinks & Resources: Brighter Children: brighterchildren.orgGuest Bio: Katie Hurley Wales Katie Hurley Wales is Executive Director of Brighter Children, an all-volunteer 501(c)(3) venture philanthropy organization that funds primary education for children in marginalized communities across five countries. Brighter Children's model centers on identifying exceptional local leaders — people who already have the vision and trust of their communities — and providing long-term financial and advisory support to help them build sustainable school systems. Before Brighter Children, Katie served as Executive Director of Invest for Kids and Interim Executive Director of Luminarts Cultural Foundation, and has spent her career in the Chicago-area nonprofit sector. About the Host: Seth Fleischauer is the founder of Banyan Global Learning and host of Make It Mindful: Insights for Global Learning. Through Banyan, he designs live virtual programs that connect K-12 classrooms to global peers and expert facilitators — building the kind of structured, human-centered learning the podcast explores. See https://banyangloballearning.com/

    #87 Investing in Relentless Visionaries: How Venture Philanthropy Creates Global Impact with Brighter Children's Katie Wales

  2. 29 Jun

    #86 Pitchforks for Edtech: The Techlash with Tiger Team Edu

    In this episode of Make It Mindful, Seth talks with Dr. Grant Atkins and Dr. Caroline Miller — a researcher who studies how educational technology gets implemented and whether it works, and a former high school teacher who left the classroom just as generative AI was beginning to reshape how students write — about the current backlash against ed tech and what's actually driving it. The conversation takes place inside Seth's long-running professional learning community, which gives it a candor that more formal interviews rarely allow. Together, Seth, Grant, and Caroline explore what's getting lumped together under "ed tech backlash" — social media, pandemic-era screen fatigue, and generative AI — and why those distinctions matter for the decisions teachers and administrators actually have to make. Early in the conversation, a detail surfaces that reframes the whole discussion: a twelve-year-old who told Seth she could tell when her teachers were using AI to write her feedback, and that it bothered her because she felt it was their job to do it themselves. They look at the research on when technology supports learning and when it substitutes for the human relationship at the center of teaching, and at the SAMR framework as a lens for evaluating whether any given tool is doing something genuinely new or just digitizing what was already there. The conversation also turns to what parents should be asking schools about technology use, and why that gets harder when it requires parents to examine their own screen habits alongside their children's. It closes on something Grant says plainly and without hedging: he doesn't think anyone knows yet what acceptable AI use looks like, and the conversation schools and families need to be having is still largely unfinished. Key topics Ed tech backlash and what's behind itSocial media, classroom tools, and AI as separate conversationsSAMR framework for evaluating technology integrationTeacher burnout and technology as workload supportParent-teacher communication about screen useAI disclosure and student-teacher trustProfessional learning communities for educatorsLinks & Resources Brookings Institution report on AI and education — Rebecca Winthrop, Senior Fellow and Co-Director of the Center for Universal Education at Brookings, and co-author of a ~200-page report on AI risks and potential in education drawing on research from 50 countries. Note: Seth referred to her as "Rebecca Chapman" during the recording — her name is Rebecca Winthrop. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/a-new-direction-for-students-in-an-ai-world-prosper-prepare-protect/Justin Reich, MIT Teaching Systems Lab — researcher on ed tech hype cycles and lateral reading as a source-evaluation strategy: https://tsl.mit.edu/SAMR framework — Ruben Puentedura's model for technology integration in education (Substitution, Augmentation, Modification, Redefinition): https://www.3plearning.com/blog/connectingsamrmodel/Banyan Global Learning — Seth's organization, connecting K-12 classrooms to global peers through live virtual exchange programs: https://banyangloballearning.com/Equity Maps — participation-tracking tool for discussion-based classrooms: https://equitymaps.com/NoRedInk — adaptive writing and grammar platform: https://www.noredink.com/Guest Bio: Dr. Grant Atkins Dr. Grant Atkins is a researcher who studies professional development and the effectiveness of educational technology in classrooms. His work examines how ed tech tools are implemented at the school and district level and whether they achieve the learning outcomes they promise. He and Seth have been colleagues since meeting at Princeton University. Guest Bio: Dr. Caroline Miller Dr. Caroline Miller spent nearly a decade teaching advanced high school students before leaving the classroom as generative AI was beginning to reshape how students approach writing. Her teaching experience spanned discussion-based and writing-intensive classrooms, where she worked closely with students on critical thinking, source evaluation, and independent inquiry. She and Seth have been colleagues since meeting at Princeton University. About the Host About the Host: Seth Fleischauer is the founder of Banyan Global Learning and host of two podcasts: Make It Mindful: Insights for Global Learning and Why Distance Learning? Through Banyan, he designs live virtual programs that connect K-12 classrooms to global peers and expert facilitators — building the kind of structured, human-centered learning the podcast explores.

    #86 Pitchforks for Edtech: The Techlash with Tiger Team Edu

  3. 15 Jun

    #85 The Biology of Trust with Dr. Katherine M. Heavers

    In this episode of Make It Mindful, Seth talks with Dr. Katherine M. Heavers — a high school biology teacher, evolutionary biologist, and co-author of Transforming Teaching Through Relationship-Building and Self-Reflection: Finding Our Way In — about what it actually takes to build authentic relationships in a classroom. Heavers draws on her doctoral theory of the "telling break" and 12 years of research conducted while teaching full-time to argue that the relational work great teachers do is learnable by anyone. Together, Seth and Kate explore the biology of trust — why authenticity isn't soft or sentimental, but a survival mechanism the mammalian brain has been running for 200,000 years. They talk through Kate's theory of the telling break, the moment a teacher's personal disclosure cracks open a shared space of curiosity in the room, and why that moment is at the center of learning rather than on its margins. Kate makes the case that vulnerability, emotional safety, honest feedback, and the willingness to name your own failures in front of students are all trainable skills — not personality traits — and that any teacher can be brought to them given the right conditions and inner work. The conversation ends with a genuine surprise: after three and a half years of exploring AI tools, Kate recently deleted her ChatGPT account because her teenage niece's ethics teacher changed her mind. Key topics: The telling break — what happens when a teacher steps out of instruction and becomes a person in the roomTeaching as a learnable craft vs. an innate giftThe biology of trust and why authenticity is an evolutionary strategyEmotional safety and productive struggle — how to hold both at onceSelf-reflection and inner work as professional practice, not personal disclosureConfronting bias as an ongoing relational obligationAI, cognitive offloading, and what we give up when we stop thinking for ourselvesLinks & Resources: Transforming Teaching Through Relationship-Building and Self-Reflection: Finding Our Way In — Katherine M. Heavers & Valerie Kearns, Routledge, 2024. https://www.routledge.com/Transforming-Teaching-Through-Relationship-Building-and-Self-Reflection-Finding-Our-Way-In/Heavers-Kearns/p/book/9781032798103Daring Greatly — Brené Brown (mentioned by Kate as essential reading for teachers)The Atlas of the Heart — Brené Brown (mentioned)Adam Grant and Brené Brown's collaborative content - The Curiosity Shop Podcast Grace and Frankie — Netflix series (Kate's media recommendation)"Toward a Theory of the Educational Interruption: A Conceptual Model of the Telling Break" — Katherine M. Heavers, doctoral dissertation, Rutgers University, 2012. https://rucore.libraries.rutgers.edu/rutgers-lib/37293/Guest Bio: Dr. Katherine M. Heavers Dr. Katherine M. Heavers is a high school biology teacher at West Windsor-Plainsboro High School South in New Jersey and an adjunct professor in teacher education at Rutgers University and The College of New Jersey. Her work sits at the intersection of evolutionary biology, the philosophy of education, and classroom practice — she spent 12 years earning her EdD in Social and Philosophical Foundations of Education at Rutgers while teaching science full-time, developing her theory of the "telling break" along the way. She is co-author, with Valerie Kearns, of Transforming Teaching Through Relationship-Building and Self-Reflection: Finding Our Way In (Routledge, 2024). About the Host: Seth Fleischauer is the founder of Banyan Global Learning and host of Make It Mindful: Insights for Global Learning. Through Banyan, he designs live virtual programs that connect K-12 classrooms to global peers and expert facilitators — building the kind of structured, human-centered learning the podcast explores. See https://www.banyangloballearning.com/programs/global-cohorts

    #85 The Biology of Trust with Dr. Katherine M. Heavers

  4. 1 Jun

    #84 Hidden Oases: The Programs Holding Schools Together with Dr. Maggie Broderick

    In this episode of Make It Mindful, Seth talks with Dr. Maggie Broderick — academic program director of the Master of Arts in Social Emotional Learning at National University's Sanford College of Education — about teacher dispositions, the classrooms inside schools where marginalized students find belonging, and what's happening to teacher attrition when emotion labor goes unsupported. Maggie's current qualitative research centers on what she calls "hidden oases" — music rooms, art classrooms, and specialist spaces — and builds on her published work integrating SEL into the formative development of educator dispositions. Together, Seth and Maggie explore why SEL became politicized and why Maggie chose not to rebrand around the backlash, how critical thinking and perspective-taking sit alongside SEL as facets of the same whole-human education, the link between teacher emotion labor and the attrition crisis, and the role of arts and specialist classrooms as belonging infrastructure for students who don't feel at home in the rest of the building. Maggie shares an early finding from her in-progress study: many of the teachers she's interviewed told her no one had ever asked them about the students who came to school primarily because of their music or art class. Key topics "Hidden oases" — specialist classrooms as belonging infrastructureSEL across the full age span, including adult and doctoral learnersTeacher emotion labor and the attrition crisisPerspective-taking and critical thinking as parts of SELEducator dispositions and how they're formedStarting small with vetted SEL resourcesLinks & Resources Dr. Maggie Broderick — National University faculty page: https://www.nu.edu/degrees/teacher-education/faculty/margaret-broderick/Maggie on ResearchGate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Maggie-BroderickMaggie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maggie-broderick-19321414/International Journal of Online Graduate Education (Maggie, editor): https://joge.scholasticahq.com/Email: mbroderick@nu.eduCASEL (Collaborative for Academic, Social, and Emotional Learning): https://casel.orgHarmony Academy: https://harmony-academy.orgAmerican Educational Research Association (AERA): https://www.aera.netWorld Savvy (referenced in conversation): https://worldsavvy.orgBroderick, M., & Lyn, A. E. (2022). "Integrating Social Emotional Learning Into the Formative Development of Educator Dispositions," in Dispositional Development and Assessment in Teacher Preparation Programs (S. Clemm von Hohenberg, Ed.). IGI Global. https://www.igi-global.com/chapter/integrating-social-emotional-learning-into-the-formative-development-of-educator-dispositions/308385Broderick, M. "Development and Evolution of Teacher Dispositions Framework and Assessment." IGI Global. https://www.igi-global.com/chapter/development-and-evolution-of-teacher-dispositions-framework-and-assessment/308394Guest Bio: Dr. Maggie Broderick Dr. Maggie Broderick is an academic program director and dissertation chair at National University's Sanford College of Education, where she leads the Master of Arts in Social Emotional Learning and directs the Advanced Research Center — an online hub supporting faculty and graduate-student scholarship. Her research examines educator dispositions, SEL across the full age span of learners, and the role of specialist classrooms — music, art, theater, language — as "hidden oases" for students who feel marginalized elsewhere in their schools. She holds a Ph.D. in Foreign Language Education from the University of Pittsburgh and is the editor of the International Journal of Online Graduate Education. About the Host: Seth Fleischauer is the founder of Banyan Global Learning and host of Make It Mindful: Insights for Global Learning. Through Banyan, he designs live virtual programs that connect K-12 classrooms to global peers and expert facilitators — building the kind of structured, human-centered learning the podcast explores. See https://banyangloballearning.com/

    #84 Hidden Oases: The Programs Holding Schools Together with Dr. Maggie Broderick

  5. 18 May

    #83 Audience Changes Everything: Rushton Hurley on Storytelling and the Power of the Showcase

    In this episode of Make It Mindful, Seth talks with Rushton Hurley — founder of Next Vista for Learning and Director of Innovation at Junipero Serra High School — about the annual showcase that brings student projects from Serra in California together with student projects from Parklands College in Cape Town. Rushton's claim, sharpened over years of running the Creative Solutions for the Global Good class: students aim for "good" when they know other people will see their work, and "good enough" when only the teacher will. The episode works through what changes — in design, in motivation, in resource requirements — when the audience expands. Together, Seth and Rushton explore the design of the Creative Solutions for the Global Good class, the Serra–Parklands College partnership, the iterative storytelling model that replaces the year-end capstone, AI as a tough-questions generator (not a writing tool), and the minimum viable conditions for replicating this kind of work at less-resourced schools. The episode closes with a project from a Parklands student who redesigned the desiccant sachets used in pharmaceutical packaging — the original ones can leak when saturated, and her version changes color when it crosses the threshold. Key topics Audience as motivator: "good" vs. "good enough"Iterative storytelling as pedagogy, not summative assessmentThe Serra–Parklands College partnership across continentsAI as a tough-questions generatorMinimum viable conditions for project-based learning at any schoolConcrete student projects: Scale Bridge, Fruit Share, the desiccant sachetLinks & Resources Next Vista for Learning — https://www.nextvista.orgRotary.cool — http://rotary.cool (Rushton's Rotary club, the connector to many of the showcase's global audience members)Junipero Serra High School — https://www.serrahs.com Parklands College, Cape Town — https://www.parklands.co.za/Kevin Brookhouser, The 20 Time Project — https://www.20time.org/More or Less (BBC) — Rushton's recommendation - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qshdRushton's previous appearance on Make It Mindful: "Education Futurist: Rushton Hurley" — https://makeitmindful.transistor.fm/episodes/40-education-furturist-rushton-hurleyTo request access to the recorded showcase: email rhurley@serrahs.comGuest Bio: Rushton Hurley Rushton Hurley is the founder of Next Vista for Learning, a nonprofit video library and student video contest platform he started in 2005, and the Director of Innovation at Junipero Serra High School in San Mateo, California. His work centers on giving students agency over project-based work, building partnerships between schools across continents, and treating storytelling — the act of telling and retelling a project's story to different audiences — as the primary mechanism through which students improve. He previously taught as an assistant language teacher in Japan. About the Host: Seth Fleischauer is the founder of Banyan Global Learning and host of Make It Mindful: Insights for Global Learning. Through Banyan, he designs live virtual programs that connect K-12 classrooms to global peers and expert facilitators — building the kind of structured, human-centered learning the podcast explores. See https://banyangloballearning.com/

    #83 Audience Changes Everything: Rushton Hurley on Storytelling and the Power of the Showcase

  6. 4 May

    #82 Executive Functioning (for the Littles!) with Mitch Weathers and Sarah Oberle

    In this episode of Make It Mindful, Seth talks with Mitch Weathers and Sarah Oberle, Ed.D. — a middle/high school teacher-turned-author and a primary educator who completed her doctorate studying working memory — about why executive functioning looks fundamentally different in grades K–3 than it does anywhere else in school. Their new co-authored book grew directly out of feedback that K–3 teachers had been handed materials written for older students and told to make them work. The episode makes the case that what happens in the primary years isn't just preparation for real learning — it is real learning, and most schools treat it as invisible. Together, Seth, Mitch, and Sarah explore what the three core executive functions — working memory, inhibition, and cognitive flexibility — actually look like when a child is five versus eight versus twelve, and why the developmental arc across those years matters for how teachers structure everything from transitions to independent work time. Sarah draws on her years teaching emerging readers to describe how cognitive load quietly derails decoding, how visual clutter competes with attention, and why playing music with lyrics during work time is, as she puts it, "really cruel." The conversation gets genuinely interesting when Seth pushes back on inhibition — asking whether what looks like off-task behavior might just be a child doing exactly what they need — and the discussion that follows is one of the more honest treatments of classroom compliance versus developmental reality you'll hear on an education podcast. Key Topics The three core executive functions: working memory, inhibition, cognitive flexibilityWhy K–3 materials can't simply be adapted from K–12 resourcesCognitive load and how instructional design either protects or depletes itThe developmental arc from preschool through third grade and what changes around grades 3–4Classroom environment design: visuals, acoustics, physical layout, and attentionRoutines as an executive functioning tool, not just a management strategyWhen off-task behavior reflects unmet developmental needs vs. instructional design failuresLinks & Resources'Executive Functions for Every K-3 Classroom by Mitch Weathers and Sarah Oberle, Ed.D. (K–3 focus) — https://organizedbinder.com/product/ef-k3-book/  Executive Functions for Every K-3 Classroom by Mitch Weathers and Sarah Oberle, Ed.D. (K–3 focus) — https://organizedbinder.com/product/ef-k3-book/ Executive Functions for Every Classroom (Mitch Weathers' first book, grades 3–12) — https://organizedbinder.com/product/executive-functions-for-every-classroom/Mitch Weathers' website: OrganizeBinder — https://organizedbinder.com/Guest Bios Mitch Weathers works with educators on applying executive functioning research to classroom practice. His first book focused on grades 3–12 and was widely used in school professional development. His new book, co-authored with Sarah Oberle, extends that work into the primary grades (K–3), an audience he intentionally left out of the first book because, as he says, he's not a primary teacher. He writes and consults under the OrganizeBinder brand. Sarah Oberle, Ed.D. is an early childhood educator who spent years teaching emerging readers before pursuing doctoral research on working memory. Her classroom experience — figuring out through trial and error why some things worked and others didn't — eventually met the research, and the alignment gave her a framework for anticipating where instruction breaks down before it does. She brings that practitioner-to-researcher perspective to the book. About the Host: Seth Fleischauer is a former classroom teacher and the founder of Banyan Global Learning. Make It Mindful explores how people, cultures, technologies, cognitive processes, and school systems shape what happens in classrooms around the world.

    #82 Executive Functioning (for the Littles!) with Mitch Weathers and Sarah Oberle

  7. 20 Apr

    #81 When Burnout Is a Rational Response — and How to Start Fixing What Causes It with Dr. Jessica Werner

    In this episode of Make It Mindful, Seth talks with Jessica Werner, Ph.D., founder and CEO of Northshore Learning, about why teacher burnout is better understood as a systems problem than a personal one — and what happens when schools try to fix it without addressing the foundations that are already shaky. Jessica draws on her doctoral research in Uganda, where a policy expanding secondary school access flooded classrooms without providing additional support, and connects that experience directly to what she's seeing now in U.S. schools facing school choice expansion, teacher shortages, and the pressure to adopt every new initiative at once. Together, Seth and Jessica explore why measuring teacher wellbeing is so difficult and why qualitative judgment still matters, how cultural context shapes what counts as a behavior problem and what motivates students, what schedules and workloads quietly signal to teachers about how much their effectiveness actually matters, and why adding initiatives on top of weak foundations accelerates burnout rather than solving it. Jessica also shares a specific example from a school in Colombia where an American teacher adapted her math instruction to work with — rather than against — the social, collective culture of her students, offering a concrete picture of what culturally responsive intervention looks like in practice. Key topics: Teacher efficacy as a component of job satisfaction and retentionThe limits of quantitative measurement for wellbeingCultural differences in student motivation: intrinsic vs. extrinsicSchedule design and its unintended impact on teachersAddition without subtraction: the workload problemSchool choice policy and the costs of rapid enrollment growthNeuroscience basics that translate directly into classroom managementSchool-student "match" as a framework for the future of school choiceLinks & Resources: Northshore Learning — coaching, school partnerships, and on-demand courses for educators: northshorelearning.orgJessica Werner on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jessica-werner-ph-d-818032163Northshore Learning YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCznAU47jszmmJyFBWd_1LvwHidden Brain podcast with Shankar Vedantam (recommended by Jessica): hiddenbrain.orgJustin Reich, MIT Teaching Systems Lab — referenced by Seth on "addition by subtraction" in schools: https://makeitmindful.transistor.fm/episodes/76-experiment-with-humility-teaching-in-the-ai-evidence-gap-with-justin-reichGuest Bio: Jessica Werner, Ph.D. Jessica Werner is the founder and CEO of Northshore Learning, where she works with schools in the U.S. and internationally to support teacher effectiveness and student behavior through personalized coaching, group training, and on-demand professional development. Her work is grounded in neuroscience and centers on what actually allows teachers to feel effective — and what systematically undermines that feeling over time. Jessica holds a Ph.D. in education, with doctoral research focused on the implementation challenges of Uganda's universal secondary education policy, and has over 20 years of experience as a classroom teacher, professor of education, and consultant. About the Host: Seth Fleischauer is the founder of Banyan Global Learning and host of Make It Mindful: Insights for Global Learning. Through Banyan, he designs live virtual programs that connect K-12 classrooms to global peers and expert facilitators. See banyangloballearning.com.

    #81 When Burnout Is a Rational Response — and How to Start Fixing What Causes It with Dr. Jessica Werner

  8. 6 Apr

    #80 Narrative Therapy, Resilience, and Cross-Cultural Understanding in Schools with Chris O'Shaughnessy

    In this episode of Make It Mindful, Seth Fleischauer talks with international school consultant Chris O'Shaughnessy about narrative therapy — what it is, why it matters, and how its techniques can quietly transform the way educators approach empathy, resilience, and cross-cultural understanding. What begins as a conversation about storytelling opens into something much bigger: a practical framework for helping students separate fact from interpretation, build emotional muscle in measurable steps, and find common ground even when values genuinely clash. Along the way, Chris draws on everything from gym metaphors to the Enneagram to a sociology study involving voluntary self-electrocution to make the case that the oldest human art form — telling stories — might also be one of the most powerful tools in a teacher's toolkit. Together, Seth and Chris explore the neuroscience of narrative, the taxonomy of resilience, and what it looks like to introduce intentional discomfort into a classroom — including the surprisingly radical act of letting kids be bored. Key Topics Discussed: What narrative therapy actually is — and why it's less about therapy and more about learning to hold your own story at arm's lengthThe description → evaluation → interpretation framework, and how a photograph of a woman in a wedding dress teaches you more about assumptions than any lecture couldWhy our brains prefer a complete story to an accurate one — and what that costs usThe "gym as intentional inefficiency" model: how to introduce beneficial discomfort in measurable, safe stepsDr. Wong's taxonomy of resilience — cognitive, behavioral, emotional, relational, and motivational — and why giving students language for these differences is itself an act of empowermentWhat to do when cross-cultural conflict isn't a misunderstanding — it's a genuine clash of valuesThe Enneagram as a tool for digging beneath belief systems to find the shared motivations underneathWhy boredom might be the most underrated creative catalyst in schools — and the sociology study that proves people would rather electrocute themselves than sit with itAwe as an emerging opportunity in education (Seth's answer to Chris's lightning round question)Guest Bio: Chris O'Shaughnessy is an international school consultant whose work takes him into schools across cultures and contexts around the world. Drawing on a background in sociology, he helps educators build the skills — empathy, resilience, cross-cultural communication — that don't show up on a standardized test but determine everything about how students navigate the world. He is based at chris-o.com. Host Bio: Seth Fleischauer is the founder of Banyan Global Learning and host of the Make It Mindful podcast. His work focuses on global learning, cultural competency, and the evolving role of technology in education. Through Banyan Global Learning, he develops live virtual learning experiences that connect students to new people, places, and ways of thinking. Episode Links: Chris O'Shaughnessy's website: chris-o.comUnselfie: Why Empathetic Kids Succeed in Our All-About-Me World — Michele BorbaSticks and Stones: Defeating the Culture of Bullying and Rediscovering the Power of Character and Empathy — Emily BazelonProject Hail Mary — Andy WeirThe Homework Machine podcast — Justin Reich, MIT Teaching Systems Lab

    #80 Narrative Therapy, Resilience, and Cross-Cultural Understanding in Schools with Chris O'Shaughnessy
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Make It Mindful is a podcast for educators and school leaders who think seriously about how learning is changing and want to explore what to do next. Hosted by Seth Fleischauer, founder of Banyan Global Learning and former classroom teacher, the show covers three territories: what AI actually changes about teaching and learning, what it takes to help students connect meaningfully across cultures, and the human conditions — belonging, awe, trust, emotional regulation — that learning depends on regardless of what else changes. Guests include district administrators, researchers, clinical psychologists, curriculum designers, and classroom practitioners. Conversations are long-form and honest. Produced by Banyan Global Learning.

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