Rubbish Talk

Alasdair Meldrum and Jane Bond from Albion Environmental Ltd

The Rubbish Talk podcast is brought to you by staff from Albion Environmental, to widen the conversation about managing waste and resources in the UK. Each episode will interview a new guest who plays an important role within the waste and resource management industry. We will discuss everything from career journeys, balancing work and personal life, and generally just talk some rubbish. Get in touch by emailing hello@rubbishtalk.co.uk Episodes released Thu. 4pm fortnightly. LinkedIn: Albion Environmental Latest industry news: www.industrynews.albion-environmental.co.uk

  1. 4 hr ago

    Episode 118: Digital Waste Tracking, CIWM Think Again Campaign & News Roundup

    This week on Rubbish Talk, Jane and Alasdair return with another News Roundup, taking a closer look at two of the biggest topics currently facing the waste and resources sector: Digital Waste Tracking and CIWM's Think Again campaign. They also discuss the latest industry news, from nitrous oxide canisters and vape recycling to the Tartan Army's tidy reputation.    Digital Waste Tracking – It's Closer Than You Think  Digital Waste Tracking is fast approaching, with Phase 1 launching on 1 October 2026 in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, followed by Scotland on 2 January 2027. Jane and Alasdair explain that while there's still plenty of confusion across the sector, the Duty of Care system isn't changing – it's simply becoming digital.   Their advice is to make sure you're already recording the required statutory information, start collecting it digitally if you haven't already, and familiarise yourself with DEFRA's upload process before the deadlines arrive. They also discuss some of the practical challenges smaller and remote sites may face.    Think Again – Changing the Story of Waste  Jane and Alasdair then take a deep dive into CIWM President Vicki Hughes' Think Again campaign, which aims to transform how people view careers in the waste and resources sector over the next decade.  The campaign showcases the wide range of careers available across the industry and provides practical guidance for both job seekers and employers. Jane and Alasdair discuss why changing perceptions is key to attracting the next generation of talent and why the sector offers far more opportunities than many people realise.    News Roundup  Tartan Army praised for cleaning up after celebrations  Jane and Alasdair celebrate the positive publicity surrounding Scotland's travelling fans after they were praised for leaving fan zones clean and litter-free. They agree that positive environmental stories deserve just as much attention as the negative ones.  Nitrous oxide canisters cause £4.7 million of damage to waste facilities  The pair discuss the growing problem of nitrous oxide canisters exploding inside bin lorries and waste facilities, causing injuries, equipment damage and significant downtime. They question why producers aren't taking greater responsibility for products that continue to create major risks for the waste industry. Could a £5 vape deposit improve recycling?  Following calls from the Environmental Services Association for a refundable £5 deposit on vapes, Jane and Alasdair debate whether the proposal would actually work. While they welcome ideas to improve recycling rates, they also discuss the practical challenges retailers could face and whether stronger producer responsibility would be a better long-term solution.    Rubbish Rant of the Week  This week's rant returns to a familiar theme – the waste industry shouldn't be left to deal with society's problems on its own.  Whether it's discarded vapes, lithium batteries or nitrous oxide canisters, Jane and Alasdair argue that producers need to take far greater responsibility for products that continue to cause fires, explosions and millions of pounds worth of damage across the UK's waste infrastructure.  Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.

    32 min
  2. 2 Jul

    Episode 117: Katie Morrison, Founder of What Waste Code

    This week on Rubbish Talk, Alasdair is joined by Katie Morrison, founder of What Waste Code, to discuss waste classification, compliance, digital innovation, and making it easier for businesses to find the right recycling and disposal routes. Drawing on her experience as a former Environment Agency officer, compliance manager and waste consultant, Katie shares how her career has taken her from investigating waste crime to developing a platform designed to simplify one of the industry's biggest day-to-day challenges: finding legally compliant facilities for different waste streams. The conversation explores the story behind What Waste Code, an online platform that allows waste producers to search for facilities by waste description or EWC code while helping operators showcase exactly which waste streams they can accept. Katie explains why existing systems can often be difficult to navigate and how a simpler, more user-friendly approach can save time while improving compliance. Alasdair and Katie also take a fascinating deep dive into European Waste Catalogue (EWC) codes, discussing how they are structured, why they remain essential to the waste industry, and some of the frustrations surrounding waste descriptions that don't always reflect the terminology used by operators on the ground. The discussion also covers Digital Waste Tracking, with Katie sharing her thoughts on how the new system could improve traceability and reduce paperwork while recognising the challenges smaller businesses may face during implementation. Together they explore hazardous waste, producer responsibility, and the importance of making compliance easier rather than more complicated. Katie also reflects on her time working with End-of-Life Vehicle (ELV) sites, highlighting the progress the sector has made in depollution and environmental compliance, alongside the ongoing challenges presented by electric vehicles and changing legislation. Looking ahead, Katie believes technology has a major role to play in improving waste management, making compliance more accessible, and helping businesses see waste as a valuable resource rather than simply something to dispose of. An insightful conversation covering waste classification, compliance, digital innovation, hazardous waste and the future of smarter waste management. Useful Links: What Waste Code | Website  Katie Morrison | LinkedIn

    50 min
  3. 25 Jun

    Episode 116: Stephen Cameron, Managing Director at Change Waste Recycling

    This week on Rubbish Talk, Alasdair is joined by Stephen Cameron, Managing Director at Change Waste Recycling, to discuss business growth, source-segregated recycling, food waste, and the challenges of getting people to use existing waste systems properly. Stephen shares his journey into the waste sector, which began after the 2008 financial crash when he joined a small waste business on a short-term contract. What started as a temporary opportunity turned into a long-term career, helping grow SWR Newstar from a small unknown company into a major UK waste broker before eventually moving to Change Waste Recycling. The conversation explores the work of Change Waste Recycling, which operates from Edinburgh and Glasgow, employing 77 people and servicing over 3,000 customer sites each month. The business collects materials including food waste, paper, cardboard, plastics, glass and general waste, with a strong focus on keeping materials separate to improve quality and recycling outcomes. Stephen explains how Change Waste Recycling’s model differs from traditional mixed recycling collections. By encouraging customers to separate materials such as fibre, plastics and cans at source, the company can provide cleaner recyclables and help customers better understand what they are producing. He also discusses the practical challenges businesses face, especially in busy city centres where space is limited and waste collections need to work around daily operations. A key theme throughout the episode is the importance of using the systems we already have more effectively. Stephen argues that the UK’s waste and recycling systems are not necessarily broken — but they are often used badly. From food waste still ending up in residual bins to poor segregation in public spaces, the conversation highlights how much could improve if people simply used existing services properly. Food waste is a major focus, with Stephen and Alasdair discussing the huge financial and environmental benefits of separating it correctly. As Stephen explains, the true cost of food waste is not just disposal — it is the cost of buying food in the first place and then throwing it away. For businesses, better segregation can help reveal where waste is being generated and where savings can be made. Stephen also shares honest reflections from his career, including the excitement of growing a business, the lessons learned from difficult contract mobilisations, and why he enjoys working in smaller, agile businesses where decisions can have a visible impact. Looking ahead, he sees waste as a fascinating and secure industry with huge opportunities for young people. Despite growing automation and AI, Stephen believes waste will always need people, innovation and practical problem-solving. A thoughtful and engaging episode covering recycling, business growth, food waste, customer behaviour and why doing the simple things properly could make a huge difference. Useful Links Stephen Cameron | LinkedIn Change Waste Recycling | LinkedIn

    47 min
  4. 18 Jun

    Episode 115: Anna Willetts, Environmental Criminal Lawyer & Partner at Gunnercooke

    This week on Rubbish Talk, Alasdair is joined by Dr Anna Willetts, Partner at Gunnercooke, environmental criminal lawyer, and Immediate Past President of the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management (CIWM). With over 15 years of experience advising businesses on environmental compliance and enforcement, Anna brings a unique combination of legal expertise, a PhD in landfill engineering, and experience as an environmental consultant. This gives her a fascinating perspective on the challenges facing the waste and resource sector today. Anna shares her journey into the industry, from studying landfill engineering and working in consultancy to becoming a specialist environmental lawyer. Along the way, she has worked with businesses across the sector, helping them navigate complex legislation, regulatory investigations and enforcement action. A major focus of the conversation is waste crime and the increasing public attention on large-scale illegal waste sites. Anna discusses the role of regulators, organised crime groups and the wider challenges involved in tackling environmental offending. She reflects on the importance of ensuring enforcement is targeted effectively, while also supporting legitimate operators who are trying to do the right thing. Alasdair and Anna also explore how environmental regulation has evolved over the years, the growing complexity of compliance requirements, and the challenges businesses face in managing duty of care responsibilities across increasingly complicated supply chains. The discussion covers digital waste tracking, battery fires, disposable vapes and the practical realities of balancing environmental protection with day-to-day operations. The episode also touches on Anna’s time as President of CIWM, the importance of collaboration across the sector, and why attracting and supporting the next generation of waste professionals is more important than ever. Throughout the conversation, Anna highlights the critical role the waste industry plays in protecting both the environment and public health. A fascinating and thought-provoking discussion covering waste crime, environmental law, regulation, recycling and the future of resource management.

    1hr 6min
  5. 4 Jun

    Episode 113: by Solomon Ede, Senior Enforcement Officer at West Lothian Council

    This week on Rubbish Talk, Alasdair is joined by Solomon Ede, Senior Enforcement Officer at West Lothian Council and Scottish Executive Representative for LARAC (Local Authority Recycling Advisory Committee). Solomon shares his journey into the waste sector, from working in Ghana to helping shape waste and recycling discussions across Scotland. Drawing on experiences from two very different waste management systems, he offers a unique perspective on how attitudes, infrastructure, and policy can influence environmental outcomes The conversation explores the importance of education, engagement, and behavioural change in improving recycling and reducing environmental crime. Solomon explains why helping people understand the impact of their actions is often more effective than enforcement alone. Alasdair and Solomon also discuss littering, fly-tipping, and the challenges local authorities face when trying to tackle environmental offences. They reflect on the need for stronger support, better collaboration, and more effective systems to help councils deliver meaningful change. One of the most interesting parts of the discussion centres around Solomon's experiences working in both Ghana and the UK. He reflects on how waste management systems have evolved in Ghana over the last two decades, moving from largely informal collection and disposal methods towards more structured services and infrastructure. The comparison highlights both how far the UK has come and the importance of continuing to improve existing systems rather than taking them for granted. The episode also explores the role of empathy in environmental enforcement. Solomon shares how frontline interactions with residents have shaped his approach to the job, explaining why understanding individual circumstances and communicating effectively can often achieve better outcomes than simply issuing penalties. His experiences provide a valuable insight into the human side of waste management and environmental compliance. The discussion also covers the role of LARAC, the importance of local authority voices in policy development, and some of the key challenges facing the sector in the years ahead, including plastics, recycling performance, and public engagement. A thoughtful conversation covering behavioural change, enforcement, recycling, policy, and the future of waste management in Scotland.

    43 min
  6. 28 May

    Episode 112: Connor Benton & Serena Powell, Go4Greener

    This week on Rubbish Talk, Alasdair is joined by Connor Benton and Serena Powell from Go4Greener, a Derby-based hazardous waste company specialising in everything from commodity recycling and WEEE to hazardous waste treatment and innovative new technologies. The conversation explores the wide range of activities carried out at Go4Greener, including hazardous waste handling, WEEE dismantling, and their exciting new Advetec aerobic digestion system, which is being used to process offensive hygiene waste such as nappies and sanitary products into SRF (Solid Recovered Fuel) as an alternative to fossil fuels. Serena explains her role as both site chemist and site manager, covering everything from hazardous waste testing and classification to operations, health and safety, and customer site visits. She shares how she originally studied chemistry without ever considering the waste sector as a career option, before taking a chance on a hazardous waste role near home — and quickly realising just how varied and interesting the industry could be. Connor, now Technical Director, also entered the sector by accident through an apprenticeship, before becoming fascinated by the complexity and scale of the waste industry. Together, they discuss how waste management offers a huge variety of career paths, combining technical knowledge, operations, logistics, compliance and commercial work all within one industry. One of the main topics of the episode is Go4Greener’s new Advetec XL22 system. The technology uses an aerobic digestion process to treat offensive hygiene waste over a 72-hour period, reducing moisture content and converting the remaining material into SRF suitable for use in cement kilns. Connor explains how the process works, from shredding and adding a biological stimulant through to controlled heating and continuous monitoring of moisture levels and emissions. The pair also discuss the challenges of bringing innovative technology into the waste sector, including the lengthy permitting process and the barriers companies can face when trying to introduce new ideas. Serena reflects on the experience of helping secure the permit for the Advetec plant, while Connor highlights the importance of regulators and industry working together to support innovation rather than automatically saying no to new approaches. The discussion also touches on battery recycling, WEEE dismantling, and the growing concern around lithium batteries and vapes. Connor explains that while Go4Greener can safely collect and store many battery types, there are still limited treatment options within the UK, meaning a significant amount of waste continues to be exported overseas for processing. Both guests reflect on the future of the industry and the importance of education — not just for the public, but also for students and young professionals who may never realise the opportunities available within the waste sector. Serena highlights that waste management was never mentioned during her chemistry degree, despite being an ideal career path for many science graduates looking for something more hands-on and varied. A brilliant episode covering hazardous waste, innovation, recycling technology and careers in the sector — and a great insight into the people and processes helping drive the industry forward.

    38 min
  7. 21 May

    Episode 111: News Roundup & Deep Dive into PFAS: The Next POPs?

    News Roundup  Simpler Recycling: More Headlines, More Confusion  Simpler Recycling continues to generate some questionable headlines, with articles listing items “banned” from recycling — many of which were never recyclable in the first place. Alasdair and Jane question why the messaging is so negative, instead of focusing on education, clearer guidance and the benefits of getting recycling right.  Smelly Bins and Food Waste Fears  A business has launched a product aimed at tackling bin odours linked to food waste collections. Jane and Alasdair aren’t convinced this is the real issue — if food waste is collected weekly and separated properly, the system should be cleaner and less smelly than leaving food in residual waste.  Can You Recycle Empty Crisp Packets?  Another recycling debate doing the rounds: crisp packets. It’s a reminder of how much confusion still exists around what can and can’t go in household recycling — and why tools like MyBins are so useful. Perfect timing with South Ayrshire Council residents being given the chance to download for free the new MyBins app, which is now live in South Ayrshire Council.  Sustainability at Events: Cups, Bottles and Marathons  Paris Marathon has taken a major step by banning single-use plastic bottles and disposable paper cups at on-course aid stations, requiring runners to bring reusable hydration containers. Jane and Alasdair discuss the practical challenge — especially for faster runners — but agree that events need to think much harder about waste, from water stations to t-shirts, medals and catering.  Food Waste Campaign in South Ayrshire  South Ayrshire Council is running a food waste campaign to encourage residents to use their food waste collections properly. Alasdair notes that participation in Scotland remains low despite services being in place for years — and questions whether councils should also be highlighting the significant savings possible when food waste is removed from residual bins.  Topic: PFAS – The Next POPs?  This week’s deeper discussion focuses on PFAS, or per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances — often called “forever chemicals” because they break down extremely slowly in the environment. The UK Government recently consulted on adding five new Persistent Organic Pollutants (POPs) into UK law under the assimilated POPs Regulation A major concern for the waste sector is the introduction of stricter UTC limits (Unintentional Trace Contaminant limits), which determine how much of these chemicals can legally remain in products and materials. If limits are exceeded, recycling may become impossible and disposal costs could increase significantly.  A key issue is the tension between environmental protection and circular economy goals. While reducing harmful chemicals is clearly positive, stricter POP limits could also push more material towards disposal or incineration, making recycling more difficult and expensive.  Ultimately, the big question for the sector is not just banning these chemicals in future products — but how we deal with the millions of tonnes of materials already containing them.    Rant of the Week: Who Helps the Waste Sector Deal With This?  This week’s rant is focused on the practical reality of new POPs rules. The UK has obligations under the Stockholm Convention, so changes are coming — but once these materials enter the waste stream, operators are often left to manage the consequences with limited support.  We’ve already seen how difficult this can be with POPs in upholstered furniture. If PFAS and other POPs are tightened further, the sector needs clear guidance, realistic testing routes, and proper support on how these materials should be handled.  Otherwise, the risk is simple: more complexity, more disposal, higher costs — and another major environmental problem landing at the feet of the waste industry.

    35 min

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The Rubbish Talk podcast is brought to you by staff from Albion Environmental, to widen the conversation about managing waste and resources in the UK. Each episode will interview a new guest who plays an important role within the waste and resource management industry. We will discuss everything from career journeys, balancing work and personal life, and generally just talk some rubbish. Get in touch by emailing hello@rubbishtalk.co.uk Episodes released Thu. 4pm fortnightly. LinkedIn: Albion Environmental Latest industry news: www.industrynews.albion-environmental.co.uk

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