She Wrote Too

Celebrating the fabulous women writers that have gone before us.

She Wrote Too is a podcast celebrating the work of female writers of the 19th and early 20th centuries, with an emphasis on those who have been neglected by history. Join hosts Nicola Morgan and Caroline Rance as they unearth some fascinating literature by remarkable women. shewrotetoo.substack.com

  1. What Shall we have for Dinner?

    2 MAY

    What Shall we have for Dinner?

    Advisory: there is mild swearing in this episode and brief discussion of sexual matters. Catherine Dickens was married to the novelist, Charles Dickens. We do not, as a rule, remember the woman who wrote What Shall We Have for Dinner? (published in 1851). In this episode we discuss her book. It was not published it under her own name, but under her pseudonym Lady Maria Clutterbuck. It’s a really interesting text. It isn’t just a collection of recipes; it’s organised into monthly menus, illustrating what a well-run Victorian household might serve across the year, balancing cost, season, and variety. In many ways, it reads like a guide to managing life, not just cooking - a clue, perhaps, to the invisible labour she was doing every day as the angel at the hearth. In literary history, Catherine Dickens appears, if she appears at all, as a footnote to her husband (they never actually divorced); wife, mother of ten. He ensured that she was sadly associated with domestic inadequacy, largely because that is how he chose to describe her when he wanted her gone. Her book was published before Mrs Beeton was the first famous domestic goddess and reflects the skills and complexity of running a Victorian household at that level - which was no small feat. It required logistical precision, social awareness, and emotional labour on a scale we tend not to acknowledge. Catherine was not simply cooking; she was orchestrating a complex system that sustained not only a large family but also the social and professional world of one of the most famous men in England. This social and household management went alongside her duties as the wife of an internationally renowned writer and her work on facilitating his literary life. She was a popular and well-respected woman in those circles. Essentially, Dickens dumped her. After 16 years of marriage, he wanted her gone - in this episode we discuss part of her story and how one of the Britain’s most famous novelists used his story-telling to write her out of his. The story we inherit about Catherine Dickens is not neutral but shaped, deliberately, by Charles Dickens himself during the breakdown of their marriage. He publicly distanced himself from her, implying a lack of compatibility, a failure of understanding, even a kind of personal deficiency. In a move that feels startlingly modern in its manipulation of narrative, he controlled the story. We consider Catherine’s story and the value and importance and many achievements of her life. The biography we refer to in our discussion the most is The Other Dickens: A Life of Catherine Hogarth by Lillian Nayder. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shewrotetoo.substack.com

    58 min
  2. 1 MAR

    Mary Astell, the first feminist?

    In this episode of She Wrote Too, we discuss a book that doesn’t shout, doesn’t rant, and doesn’t ask politely either. In 1694, Mary Astell published a slim, elegant, and quietly radical text called A Serious Proposal to the Ladies. She proposes that women should be allowed to think. Not to charm.Not merely to endure. Not to be good company or good wives. Her suggestion was that they use their minds well - to be educated, reflective, intellectually alive, and taken seriously as rational beings. When you consider the state of society in the late seventeenth century, this was a fairly explosive suggestion. What makes A Serious Proposal to the Ladies so fascinating isn’t just that Mary Astell is arguing for women’s education, though that alone would be remarkable enough. It’s how she does it. Astell doesn’t present herself as angry, unruly, or unreasonable. Instead, she uses the very tools women were told they lacked: logic, theology, philosophy, and a beautifully controlled clarity of thought. She writes as if it is entirely obvious that women have minds and that those minds deserve care, discipline, and nourishment. She asks, calmly why women are so often criticised for being frivolous, vain, or foolish when they are deliberately denied the education that would allow them to be anything else. In other words, she doesn’t say that women are inferior. She says that women have been made inferior and that this has been done by design. What is quietly radical about Mary Astell is that she never once asks permission for this argument. She doesn’t frame it as a radical experiment or a dangerous novelty. She simply assumes that women matter and then builds her case from there. Reading her now, more than three hundred years later, you can feel just how modern her thinking is. All this and yet, she was a High Church Conservative-thinker. How did she reconcile this? A Serious Proposal to the Ladies isn’t just a historical curiosity. It’s a reminder that women have been articulating these ideas clearly, intelligently, and courageously for centuries. So many of those voices were sidelined, softened, or simply forgotten. Same old s**t, different millenia. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shewrotetoo.substack.com

    36 min
  3. 09/12/2025

    She Spoke Too: How Hibo Wardere Is Changing the Story

    Some conversations stay with you long after they end and speaking with Hibo Wardere is one of them. Hibo is one of the UK’s most courageous and compelling campaigners against female genital mutilation (FGM). She is a teacher, author, and advocate whose voice has reshaped how schools, safeguarding teams, and medical professionals understand this form of violence. But to talk with her is to understand something more fundamental: Hibo has always questioned the stories she was given. Growing up as a Somali girl, she heard the traditional narratives passed down through generations, stories meant to explain, to justify, to silence. But Hibo never liked them. Even as a child, something in her refused to accept the logic, the cruelty, or the inevitability they claimed. That instinct, that internal rebellion, is the foundation of the woman she became. The story she chose to tell - the one she wrote in her remarkable memoir Cut soon being made into a big screen film which begins in production next year - has already made and will continue to make an incredible impact. After decades of silence surrounding FGM, Hibo’s voice will reach even wider audiences, shaping the narrative on a scale unimaginable when she was that questioning young girl. As she told us she is ‘everywhere’. Her determination knows no bounds. In our interview, she describes training doctors who still ask her, ‘Is it actually happening here?’ Her frustration is palpable and justified. ‘Would you ever ask whether child molestation is still happening?’ she replies. Hibo intends to change that and with her team at Educate not Mutilate she already is. While this interview is about Hibo’s story, it is also about resistance, agency, the refusal to accept inherited narratives, and the courage it takes to tell a story powerful enough to rewrite a future. Hibo’s life is testament to that courage. We are honoured to share her words with you. Please do look at her website and donate to support her charity or consider other ways that you could support her amazing work. Please, listen to her message. Be fierce. Continue the fight. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shewrotetoo.substack.com

    49 min
  4. 25/11/2025

    On Sledge and Horseback

    In this episode of She Wrote Too, we dive into one of the most extraordinary and strangely forgotten works of women’s travel writing: On Sledge and Horseback to Outcast Siberian Lepers by Kate Marsden. It’s a pretty special title for the true story of an incredible adventure! Caroline had read this book and told me about it - I had not read it but having done some cursory googling (also known as ‘research’) I was very interested to know more about this extraordinary story. Listen how I, characteristically, rudely interrupt Caroline’s well-considered thoughts on this incredible read. Published in 1892, Marsden’s account follows her gruelling, ice-bitten journey across Siberia in search of a cure for leprosy and to investigate the conditions of remote leper colonies. It’s a book full of contradictions: deeply Victorian and yet radically bold; missionary in tone yet quietly rebellious; full of hardship, compassion, controversy, and grit. As Caroline says, she does love a grim read. It raises the question we keep coming back to on this podcast: how do women like Marsden disappear from literary history when their lives were anything but small? We explore Marsden’s resilience, the political and religious storms she walked into, and the way her voice oscillates between duty, adventure, and something much more complex. We also talk about the reception of her work - why it was celebrated, then dismissed, and how modern readers can reclaim it with fresh eyes. It’s a remarkable story from a remarkable woman. Make yourself a cup of something warm, settle in, and let’s ride alongside Kate Marsden into the snow. Ho ho oh. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shewrotetoo.substack.com

    48 min
  5. Still Glides the Stream

    30/10/2025

    Still Glides the Stream

    In this episode, Caroline Rance and I discuss this book - Still Glides the Stream by Flora Thompson - that both of us could barely believe that we had never read nor heard of before we stumbled across it in a second hand book stall. It really is a special piece of writing, a hybrid of fiction, memoir and ethnography documenting the tales of women and their role in the countryside community in the late Victorian Era until the post-war era with humanity, pragmatism and humour. We both strongly recommend this book and hope you enjoy our discussion of it. For me, this is a record of why women’s lives have always mattered and as Caroline says in the episode, they were holding everything together! SHE WROTE TOO - the book. On a separate note, we had a great time in Brighton launching our book - She Wrote Too: women whose words changed the world. We sold a lot of copies and we ran a really fun workshop encouraging women participants to find their voice - and write! Our book is available on Amazon. It is suitable for all age groups but is accessible for those age 9 upwards. It provides short biographies of some great women writers and is also an interactive book experience providing prompts for writing, poetry and art - so it is more than your usual book, it’s a space for you to respond. Our workshop is available for schools, corporations and charities - we can come and visit you. Our website will be live soon so we will let you know about that. In the meantime, thank you very much for listening. We will be back very soon as we have some great content planned for the following months. Please join us. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shewrotetoo.substack.com

    47 min

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She Wrote Too is a podcast celebrating the work of female writers of the 19th and early 20th centuries, with an emphasis on those who have been neglected by history. Join hosts Nicola Morgan and Caroline Rance as they unearth some fascinating literature by remarkable women. shewrotetoo.substack.com