She Wrote Too

Celebrating the fabulous women writers that have gone before us.

She Wrote Too is a podcast celebrating the work of female writers of the 19th and early 20th centuries, with an emphasis on those who have been neglected by history. Join hosts Nicola Morgan and Caroline Rance as they unearth some fascinating literature by remarkable women. shewrotetoo.substack.com

  1. 2 May

    What Shall we have for Dinner?

    Advisory: there is mild swearing in this episode and brief discussion of sexual matters. Catherine Dickens was married to the novelist, Charles Dickens. We do not, as a rule, remember the woman who wrote What Shall We Have for Dinner? (published in 1851). In this episode we discuss her book. It was not published it under her own name, but under her pseudonym Lady Maria Clutterbuck. It’s a really interesting text. It isn’t just a collection of recipes; it’s organised into monthly menus, illustrating what a well-run Victorian household might serve across the year, balancing cost, season, and variety. In many ways, it reads like a guide to managing life, not just cooking - a clue, perhaps, to the invisible labour she was doing every day as the angel at the hearth. In literary history, Catherine Dickens appears, if she appears at all, as a footnote to her husband (they never actually divorced); wife, mother of ten. He ensured that she was sadly associated with domestic inadequacy, largely because that is how he chose to describe her when he wanted her gone. Her book was published before Mrs Beeton was the first famous domestic goddess and reflects the skills and complexity of running a Victorian household at that level - which was no small feat. It required logistical precision, social awareness, and emotional labour on a scale we tend not to acknowledge. Catherine was not simply cooking; she was orchestrating a complex system that sustained not only a large family but also the social and professional world of one of the most famous men in England. This social and household management went alongside her duties as the wife of an internationally renowned writer and her work on facilitating his literary life. She was a popular and well-respected woman in those circles. Essentially, Dickens dumped her. After 16 years of marriage, he wanted her gone - in this episode we discuss part of her story and how one of the Britain’s most famous novelists used his story-telling to write her out of his. The story we inherit about Catherine Dickens is not neutral but shaped, deliberately, by Charles Dickens himself during the breakdown of their marriage. He publicly distanced himself from her, implying a lack of compatibility, a failure of understanding, even a kind of personal deficiency. In a move that feels startlingly modern in its manipulation of narrative, he controlled the story. We consider Catherine’s story and the value and importance and many achievements of her life. The biography we refer to in our discussion the most is The Other Dickens: A Life of Catherine Hogarth by Lillian Nayder. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shewrotetoo.substack.com

    What Shall we have for Dinner?
  2. 1 Mar

    Mary Astell, the first feminist?

    In this episode of She Wrote Too, we discuss a book that doesn’t shout, doesn’t rant, and doesn’t ask politely either. In 1694, Mary Astell published a slim, elegant, and quietly radical text called A Serious Proposal to the Ladies. She proposes that women should be allowed to think. Not to charm.Not merely to endure. Not to be good company or good wives. Her suggestion was that they use their minds well - to be educated, reflective, intellectually alive, and taken seriously as rational beings. When you consider the state of society in the late seventeenth century, this was a fairly explosive suggestion. What makes A Serious Proposal to the Ladies so fascinating isn’t just that Mary Astell is arguing for women’s education, though that alone would be remarkable enough. It’s how she does it. Astell doesn’t present herself as angry, unruly, or unreasonable. Instead, she uses the very tools women were told they lacked: logic, theology, philosophy, and a beautifully controlled clarity of thought. She writes as if it is entirely obvious that women have minds and that those minds deserve care, discipline, and nourishment. She asks, calmly why women are so often criticised for being frivolous, vain, or foolish when they are deliberately denied the education that would allow them to be anything else. In other words, she doesn’t say that women are inferior. She says that women have been made inferior and that this has been done by design. What is quietly radical about Mary Astell is that she never once asks permission for this argument. She doesn’t frame it as a radical experiment or a dangerous novelty. She simply assumes that women matter and then builds her case from there. Reading her now, more than three hundred years later, you can feel just how modern her thinking is. All this and yet, she was a High Church Conservative-thinker. How did she reconcile this? A Serious Proposal to the Ladies isn’t just a historical curiosity. It’s a reminder that women have been articulating these ideas clearly, intelligently, and courageously for centuries. So many of those voices were sidelined, softened, or simply forgotten. Same old s**t, different millenia. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shewrotetoo.substack.com

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She Wrote Too is a podcast celebrating the work of female writers of the 19th and early 20th centuries, with an emphasis on those who have been neglected by history. Join hosts Nicola Morgan and Caroline Rance as they unearth some fascinating literature by remarkable women. shewrotetoo.substack.com