Please help us to keep having these conversations by supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/solomonsmith/membership In this conversation, Professor Ritchie Robertson joins Jack and Milo to discuss Thomas Mann’s *The Magic Mountain*: one of the great modern European novels, a thousand-page comic-philosophical epic about illness, love, death, time, politics, and the fate of humanism. Ritchie Robertson is one of the leading English-speaking scholars of German and European literature. He is the author of a major study of the Enlightenment, general editor of the current Oxford World’s Classics Thomas Mann translations, and translator of Mann’s *Death in Venice* and *Doctor Faustus*. Here, he helps us situate *The Magic Mountain* within Mann’s wider work, German intellectual history, and the political crises of the early twentieth century. The discussion begins with the Enlightenment, and with the novel’s two great intellectual antagonists: Settembrini, the liberal humanist and advocate of progress, and Naphta, the Jesuit-communist defender of terror, sacrifice, and revolutionary violence. Between them stands Hans Castorp, Mann’s magnificently ordinary hero: a young engineer who travels to a Swiss sanatorium for a short visit and accidentally remains there for seven years. Much of the conversation centres on Hans Castorp’s education. In the Berghof sanatorium, he is removed from ordinary life and exposed to fundamental experiences: illness, erotic fascination, biology, music, death, philosophical dispute, and visionary solitude. Robertson discusses the “Snow” chapter as the philosophical heart of the novel, in which Castorp sees both the possibility of a golden age and the permanent human possibility of blood, cruelty, and sacrifice. We also explore why *The Magic Mountain* remains so readable despite its reputation for difficulty. Mann’s novel is undoubtedly a book of ideas, but it is also comic, sensuous, characterful, musical, and full of memorable scenes: Behrens, Joachim, Clavdia Chauchat, Mynheer Peeperkorn, the sanatorium routines, the medical lectures, the erotic charge of biology, and the strange theatricality of life above the “flatland.” Expect reflections on: Thomas Mann, music, Wagner, and novelistic composition The Enlightenment as an unfinished project Settembrini, Naphta, liberalism, communism, and terror Hans Castorp’s development from passive mediocrity to individual consciousness Love, death, illness, and the sanatorium as a school of experience The “Snow” chapter and its vision of paradise and blood sacrifice Whether *The Magic Mountain* is really a difficult novel Rereading, Adorno, and the book’s strange addictive power Homosexuality, erotic indirection, and Clavdia Chauchat Russia, the East, Orientalism, Dostoevsky, and revolution The First World War and the novel’s battlefield ending Premonitions of catastrophe, and the danger of reading later history backwards Susan Sontag’s criticism of Mann as an “over-cooperative” novelist Whether you are already a devoted reader of *The Magic Mountain*, or have been meaning to climb it for years, this conversation offers a detailed, lively, and intellectually generous guide to Mann’s strange, comic, terrifying, and inexhaustible novel. If you enjoy long-form conversations on literature, philosophy, theology, politics, German thought, and the great novels of European modernism, subscribe to the channel and leave a comment below. Have you read *The Magic Mountain*? And if so: should one read it once, three times, or a thousand? 00:00:00 The Snow chapter: paradise and blood sacrifice 00:01:18 Introduction to Ritchie Robertson and *The Magic Mountain* 00:03:31 What is *The Magic Mountain* about? 00:05:56 Why do people still read *The Magic Mountain*? 00:13:33 Ritchie Robertson arrives 00:14:16 Poetic epigraph: Eichendorff and longing 00:16:19 Thomas Mann, music, and *Doctor Faustus* 00:19:38 The Enlightenment, Settembrini, and humanism 00:25:49 Clavdia Chauchat, love, and Hans Castorp’s education 00:30:07 Illness, death, Joachim, and transformation 00:34:04 The “Snow” chapter explained 00:38:24 Difficulty, rereading, Naphta, and Lukács 00:49:10 Erotic memory, homosexuality, Russia, and the East 00:58:38 Revolution, utopia, and the meaning of life 01:04:03 The ending: war, death, song, and love 01:07:28 Nazism, later history, Sontag, and Mann’s over-explanation 01:12:34 Conclusion