The Christopher Perrin Show

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Dr. Christopher Perrin has been a leader in the renewal of classical education in the United States for 25 years. In this podcast, he traces the renewal of the American paideia exploring the recent history of the American renaissance in light of the 2500 years that have preceded it. Christopher is the founding CEO of Classical Academic Press and the founder of ClassicalU.com. The Christopher Perrin Show is part of the TrueNorth.fm podcast network.

  1. 2 days ago

    Episode 62: Raising Sturdy Kids: Why Children Need Struggle, Courage, and Truth

    Description  In this episode of The Christopher Perrin Show, Christopher Perrin welcomes Keith McCurdy and Davies Owens for a conversation about Raising Sturdy Kids, Keith’s new book on forming strong families and capable children. McCurdy argues that children today are not naturally sturdier than previous generations, but are often more fragile—marked by rising anxiety, depression, diagnoses, medication, and difficulty coping with discomfort. Using the image of trees that need wind and weather to grow “stress wood,” he explains why children also need healthy, productive struggle in order to become flexible, durable, and mature. Davies Owens connects this need to the larger challenge facing parents today: many families are disconnected from extended-family wisdom, surrounded by competing voices, and unsure how to parent with clarity and courage. The conversation assesses the self-esteem movement, gentle parenting extremes, fear-based parenting, and the cultural lie that feelings are the most important part of who we are. Together, they call parents, schools, and churches back to a shared vision of maturity: the ability to choose what is right even when it is difficult, uncomfortable, or unwanted. The episode closes by highlighting practical resources for parents and schools, including Raising Sturdy Kids, Basecamp Live’s “Live Sturdy” conversations, and future ClassicalU resources. Episode Outline Introducing Raising Sturdy Kids and the need for strong families and capable childrenKeith McCurdy’s background in mental health, counseling, and work with familiesWhy children today are often more fragile than sturdyThe tree analogy: stress wood, wind, weather, and healthy struggleDavies Owens on parents, extended family, and the loss of generational wisdomBasecamp Live, Zipcast, and the “Live Sturdy” conversations with Keith McCurdyThe self-esteem movement and the story of the broken baseball trophyThe cultural lie that feelings are the most important part of who we areHelping students understand that emotions cannot reliably discern truthParenting by consensus and the dangers of following the crowdThe “three Ps”: problem, principles, and practical applicationMaturity as doing what is right when it is difficult, uncomfortable, or unwantedCourage as every virtue at its testingFamily, school, and church as a threefold partnership in forming sturdy childrenWhere to find Raising Sturdy Kids and related resourcesKey Topics & Takeaways Sturdiness Through Struggle: Children do not become strong by being protected from every hardship. Like trees exposed to wind and weather, they need appropriate stress in order to grow durable, flexible, and mature.Truthful Encouragement: The self-esteem movement often replaces real formation with artificial praise. Children need adults who speak truthfully about failure, growth, effort, and responsibility.Feelings and Reality: Emotions have value, but they cannot reliably distinguish fantasy from reality or truth from distortion. Children must learn to understand feelings without being ruled by them.Courage and Virtue: Virtues become real when they are tested. Courage gives virtue flesh by enabling students to practice what is right under pressure.Shared Formation: Families, schools, and churches need common language and shared principles if they are going to form children in wisdom, virtue, and maturity.Benevolent Authority: Loving discipline is not harsh authoritarianism. Parents are called to lead clearly, calmly, and lovingly, without allowing raw emotion to govern correction.Questions & Discussion Where are children in your community most protected from healthy struggle?Consider areas such as schoolwork, chores, athletics, friendship conflict, disappointment, consequences, and technology. What would a healthy, age-appropriate version of productive struggle look like?What is the difference between encouragement and false praise?Discuss the baseball trophy story. Why did the child instinctively reject praise that did not match reality, and how can adults be both truthful and encouraging?How should we teach children to understand their emotions without being ruled by them?Consider McCurdy’s examples of fear in an alley, fear in a dream, and fear while watching a movie. What do these examples reveal about feelings and truth?What does maturity look like in a child, teenager, or adult?Discuss McCurdy’s definition of maturity as doing what is right when it is difficult, uncomfortable, or unwanted. Where do you personally need courage to do what is right despite discomfort?How can parents, schools, and churches become a stronger threefold partnership?Consider what your school or church reinforces well and where families may be receiving mixed messages. What shared language would help create a thicker culture of formation?Suggested Reading & Resources Raising Sturdy Kids: Simple Truths for Building Strong Families and Capable Kids by Keith McCurdyThe Abolition of Man by C. S. LewisSticky Faith: Everyday Ideas to Build Lasting Faith in Your Kids by Dr. Kara E. Powell and Dr. Chap Clark Basecamp Live Podcast: Live Sturdy SeriesZipcast.mediaLive SturdyClassical Academic PressSociety for Classical LearningClassicalU Course: ParentU: Is Classical Education Right for Your Children?ClassicalU Course: Growing Classroom Culture through Parent Partnerships“More than half of Americans live within an hour of extended family” By Kiley Hurst, Pew Research Center

    54 min

  2. 27 May

    Episode 61: Hildegard College: Restoring Polymathy and Redemptive Entrepreneurship

    Description  Christopher Perrin welcomes Dr. Matthew J. Smith, founder of Hildegard College, to discuss why he left a tenure-track literature career to build a deliberately small, relationship-centered “micro college” in Southern California. Smith describes modern higher education as expensive, bureaucratically bloated, and often unable to offer a unified vision of learning—especially when general education becomes a “Wild West” and majors drift toward professional specialization rather than formation. Hildegard’s alternative model centers on a common great-books curriculum organized around six foundational questions, paired with “entrepreneurial arts” that train students to design and launch real ventures rooted in meaningful work. The conversation explores why generalist formation matters in an AI-saturated economy, and why polymathy may be a more realistic pathway to flourishing than narrow specialization. Perrin and Smith then turn to Smith’s forthcoming book The Lost Tradition of Beauty, arguing that modern education has lost beauty as an intellectually serious category—reducing it to ornament or aesthetics rather than a transcendent that illuminates truth and shapes goodness. They close by discussing what it would mean for schools to recover beauty not merely in décor, but in the lived environment of learning: sound, space, attention, and shared life that draws students out of themselves and toward the whole. Episode Outline Smith’s academic journey: graduate school motivations, love of the liberal arts, and entering college teachingThe problem in contemporary higher education: cost, debt, bureaucracy, specialization, and lack of a unified visionDiscovering the “alternative college” movement and visiting models (great-books and classical micro colleges)Why relationship matters: mentorship, friendship, shared curriculum, and non-anonymous learningHildegard College’s distinctives: one degree, one major, one shared curriculumThe six foundational questions that organize Hildegard’s great-books “Foundations of Thought” sequenceLiberal arts + entrepreneurial arts: “creative action” as redemptive work and practical formationWhy “Hildegard”: Hildegard of Bingen as a model polymath and cultural contributorStudent and faculty profiles: internships, civic partners, and bivocational teachersLiberal education in an AI economy: generalists, adaptability, and meaningful workThe Lost Tradition of Beauty: why beauty is intellectually muscular, objective, and formativeBeauty in schooling: beyond ornament to vocabulary, participation, attention, soundscape, and lived wholenessHow to learn more: admissions, preview weeks, and online “redemptive entrepreneurship” coursesKey Topics & Takeaways Higher education often lacks a unified telos. A “comprehensive university” can produce radically different educational experiences across majors, without shared formation. Cost and debt intensify the crisis. Smith describes the economic burden alongside a weak “return” in both formation and earnings. Micro colleges can rebuild the human scale of learning. Smallness protects against anonymity and makes mentorship and accountability unavoidable. A common curriculum can generate a true academic fellowship. Shared books and shared questions create shared rites of passage and shared intellectual language.Polymathy is increasingly practical. As AI changes entry-level work, broad formation and transferable habits may matter more than narrow competencies. Entrepreneurship can be “creative action,” not mere profit-seeking. Hildegard frames entrepreneurship as participation in God’s redemptive work through building and service. Beauty is not optional decoration. Smith argues beauty is objective, rationally discussable, and essential to moral and intellectual renewal. Recovering beauty begins with recovering vocabulary. Schools cannot pursue what they cannot name, describe, and practice.Questions & Discussion What is the “accidental shape” of higher education you’ve experienced—and what does it do to formation?What would a “unified vision for learning” look like in one concrete institutional decision?Why does relationship matter so much for transformational learning?Describe a time your learning changed because of mentorship or friendship rather than content alone. What are the strengths and limits of a single, common curriculum?What do students gain when everyone reads the same books and wrestles with the same questions? Are “polymaths” a luxury—or a necessity in an AI-shaped economy?How could schools cultivate breadth without becoming shallow (depth-through-few, long apprenticeships, layered skills)?What do you think of pairing great books with “entrepreneurial arts”?If students must build real things, what guardrails ensure the building remains ordered toward the good?Suggested Reading & Resources The Lost Tradition of Beauty by Dr. Matthew J. Smith (forthcoming, InterVarsity Press) Hildegard CollegeDr. Matthew J. Smith’s substackClassicalUThe Ethics of Beauty by Timothy PatitsasPhaedrus by PlatoSymposium by PlatoConfessions by AugustineOn Order by AugustineRange: Why Generalists Triumph in Specialized World by David Epstein“Why Poetry Matters” by Dana Gioia “Beauty”, The Art of the Lathe by B. H. FairchildRedemptive EntrepreneurshipClassicalU Course: Theology of Beauty and the Imagination: A Guide to WonderClassicalU Course: Teaching the Great BooksClassicalU Course: The Scholé WayClassicalU Course: The Art of PoetryClassicalU Course: Introduction to Classical Education

    1hr 26min

  3. 22 Apr

    Episode 60: A Living Tradition: Classical Education Without Nostalgia

    Description  Christopher Perrin welcomes Dr. John Mark Reynolds for a extensive conversation about the renewal of classical education—and why the term classical often confuses more than it clarifies. Reynolds shares how family life, great teachers, and deep reading (especially C. S. Lewis and Plato) shaped his intellectual and spiritual journey, eventually drawing him into the classical Christian education movement. Together they explore how classical education is not nostalgia or narrow Greco-Roman elitism, but a living tradition rooted in wonder, dialectic, and a “great conversation” that has always been broader than the modern West. The conversation turns to virtue formation and liberal education, arguing that education should prepare students not only for work, but for judgment, sacrifice, and even death. Perrin and Reynolds also address how the classical movement can avoid becoming a guru-driven ideology, how it must remain open to science and modern technological change, and why false dichotomies distort educational debates. The episode closes with Reynolds’ vision for St. Constantine School, a K–16 “grown backward” model that integrates tutorial-style liberal arts education with practical formation for diverse vocations. Episode Outline Why the question “What is classical education?” is harder than it sounds (and why it matters for renewal)The paradox of learning: the more you know, the more you know you don’t know Reynolds’ early formation: pastoral family life, reading, and learning to “get to the bottom” of ideasInfluential teachers and the life of wonder: Plato, the Socratic habit, and learning as lifelong pursuitReturning to Christian faith and integrating faith with the life of the mindWhy the word “classical” can mislead: the tradition is global, multi-ethnic, and not limited to Greco-Roman textsClassical education as the “great conversation”: local cultures rooted in mother tongue, connected to a shared metaphysical realityThe liberal arts, virtue, and human freedom: what education once aimed at (and what modern credentialing often replaces)Education as preparation to live well—and to die well: Plato, Scripture, and the moral seriousness of formationAvoiding two dangers in the renewal: guruism and ideological “compounds”Science, technology, and modernity: why classical education must have room for Newton (and for contemporary scientific callings)St. Constantine’s model: tutorial liberal arts, K–16 integration, dual enrollment, and forming “souls fit for paradise”Where to learn more: St. Constantine’s website and ongoing workKey Topics & Takeaways Classical education is bigger than the word “classical.” The tradition is not inherently ethnocentric; its sources and conversations span regions and cultures, including the Near East and Africa.Wonder and dialectic are central. Reynolds frames classical learning as rooted in Socratic inquiry and a habit of getting to the bottom of things.Liberal education aims at freedom and virtue. True liberty includes self-governance, responsibility, gratitude, and service—virtues modern schooling often thins into mere credentialing.Education should prepare students for ultimate realities. The conversation repeatedly returns to the claim that the one certainty is death, and education should form people who can face it with moral seriousness.The renewal must remain humble. Classical education collapses when it becomes guru-centric, novelty-driven, or triumphalist.Classical education must remain intellectually modern. A classical school should have room for mathematics, science, engineering, and technological prudence—not a nostalgic retreat from modernity.Multiple models are needed. St. Constantine is presented as one viable “iteration,” not the only faithful expression of classical education.Formation serves many vocations. Reynolds argues that tutorial-style liberal arts can prepare nurses, engineers, builders, and citizens—not only professors and “cocktail party” intellectuals.Questions & Discussion What do you mean when you say “classical education” in your own context?List the assumptions you hear most often (elitist, Greco-Roman-only, anti-science, ethnocentric). Draft a two-sentence explanation that highlights both aims (virtue/wisdom) and methods(dialectic/great books/literacy).How should liberal education form freedom and virtue today?Contrast “credentialing” with “formation.” Where does your institution drift toward one over the other? What habits would actually train self-governance (attention, honesty, courage, sacrifice) in students?What does it mean to prepare students to die well?Discuss whether your curriculum implicitly prepares students for comfort and success more than moral endurance. Name one text, practice, or tradition that could restore seriousness about mortality, judgment, and ultimate goods.How can classical education avoid becoming an ideology or “compound”?Identify warning signs of guruism (one name, one method, one “true” model). List practices that keep a school porous and humble (plural models, peer critique, historical study, spiritual disciplines).What do you think of a K–16 approach to classical formation?Discuss potential strengths (continuity, tutorial culture, cost efficiency, coherent formation). Discuss potential risks (scale, resource demands, insularity). What would be a realistic “next step” in your context?Suggested Reading & Resources The Liberal Arts Tradition by Kevin Clark, DLS, and Ravi Scott JainThe Space Trilogy by C. S. LewisSaint Constantine School ClassicalUClassicalU Course: The Liberal Arts TraditionClassicalU Course: Classical Education History and IntroductionClassicalU Course: Introduction to Classical EducationClassicalU Course: Teaching Science Classically: 10 Essential Principles

    1hr 31min

  4. 15 Apr

    Episode 59: American Education: What It Was and Can Be Again

    Description  Recorded at the 2026 Great Hearts National Symposium on February 25, 2026, this edited episode features Christopher Perrin’s keynote speech exploring the history, meaning, and renewal of classical education, asking a foundational question: what exactly are we trying to recover? Drawing from sources as diverse as Augustine, Herodotus, Tocqueville, and C.S. Lewis, he traces the transmission of the liberal arts from ancient Greece and Rome through Christendom and into early America. Along the way, Perrin reflects on the gradual fragmentation of this tradition in the modern era, illustrated through the story of the Adams family and the rise of progressive education.  Perrin challenges educators to embrace the humility at the heart of true learning—that the more we know, the more we recognize our ignorance—and to see themselves as perpetual students. The episode also highlights the remarkable resurgence of classical education today, describing it as a reawakening of seeds long buried but now beginning to flourish. Perrin emphasizes that education is not merely a science or technique, but the transmission of a living tradition aimed at forming wisdom, virtue, and love. Listeners will come away with a renewed sense of purpose, encouraged to tend the “fire” of learning and to participate faithfully in handing down a rich inheritance to the next generation. Special thanks to the Great Hearts Institute.  Episode Outline Why the question “What is classical education?” is harder than it sounds (and why it matters for renewal)The paradox of learning: the more you know, the more you know you don’t know “Begin with the end”: death, wisdom, and the purpose of education Tradition as “handing down”: language, culture, and education as inheritance Athens and Rome: Greek paideia, Roman educatio, and the liberal arts as a transmitted curriculumThe Church and Christendom: incorporating Greco-Roman learning, theology as “queen,” and widening accessEngland to early America: grammar schools, Boston Latin, Harvard, and the rise of popular literacy The Adams family as an educational case study: formation, thinning, and the modern fracture Progressive education: what changed, what was gained, and why education can’t be reduced to a quantitative scienceThe modern renewal: early schools (1979–1981), today’s ecosystem, and the need for teacher formation at scaleFinal exhortation: preserve humility, avoid pride, resist false dichotomies, and tend the “fire” of wonder in schoolsKey Topics & Takeaways Classical education is a tradition before it is a “renewal.” A renewal only makes sense if we can name what is being renewed.Teachers must be perpetual students. The classical teacher models humility—seeking wisdom while resisting the pretense of having arrived.Education is measured by ultimate aims. Human life is fleeting; education gains its meaning from what it prepares us for—virtue, wisdom, piety, and a life rightly ordered.Tradition is unavoidable. Even rejecting tradition requires using language and capacities that were first handed down as a tradition.The liberal arts are an inheritance with a genealogy. From Greek and Roman culture through Christian adaptation, the arts endure because they correspond to human nature.Modern fragmentation reshaped education’s purpose. When technology and “force” become central categories, education shifts from transmitting culture to preparing for flux.Progressive vs. classical is not a simple binary. Many educational “heresies” are partial truths held out of balance (false dichotomies distort practice).The renewal must be sustained by love, not mere critique. A movement fueled only by opposition cannot endure—formation requires positive vision and shared goods.Classical education belongs to humanity. It is deeply shaped by Christianity, but not owned exclusively by Christians; it welcomes seekers and strangers.Questions & Discussion Why do you think “classical education” is so difficult to define clearly?Name what you most often hear from parents or colleagues when they ask what “classical” means. Try writing a two-sentence definition that includes both aim (why) and means (how), then compare with others.How does the “perpetual student” posture change the way you teach?Where are you tempted to project certainty or expertise instead of wonder and humility? Identify one practice that would help your faculty model learning (shared reading, teacher seminar, public “I don’t know yet”).What is education for when you “begin with the end” (mortality in view)?How does remembering death sharpen what matters in curriculum and school culture? If you had to prioritize one outcome—wisdom, virtue, piety, civic responsibility—what would you choose and why?What can we learn from the Adams family arc—formation to fracture?In your own experience, where do you see education becoming “garments that no longer fit”? Does your school respond by adapting the form—or by recovering the measure of the human person?What kind of “renewal energy” actually sustains a school long-term?Where does your community rely on critique of modern schooling rather than a positive vision? Identify one “beauty practice” (music, poetry, liturgy, feast, shared reading) that could rekindle joy and friendship.Suggested Reading & Resources The Liberal Arts Tradition by Kevin Clark, DLS, and Ravi Scott JainAn Introduction to Classical Education: A Guide for Parents by Christopher A. Perrin, MDiv, PhDHumanitasAn Essay Toward Education by W. H. H. KaneFrom Dawn to Decadence by Jacques Barzun Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville The Education of Henry Adams by Henry AdamsThe Value of the Classics by Andrew West (ed.)Address to Young Men on Reading Greek Literature by Basil of CaesareaGreat Hearts Institute  Classical Academic PressClassicalUClassicalU Course: The Liberal Arts TraditionClassicalU Course: Classical Education History and IntroductionClassicalU Course:

    1hr 11min

  5. 25 Mar

    Episode 58: The Divided Soul and the Prodigal Pattern: Duty, Desire, and the Way Home

    Description Christopher Perrin welcomes author and speaker Heidi White to discuss her book The Divided Soul and the inner conflict so many people experience between duty and desire. Along the way, Perrin draws on his own work, The Good Teacher, to frame how educators can unite discipline and delight as they form students’ loves. White traces her path from homeschooling into classical education, then explains how a single remark from Andrew Kern—about the Prodigal Son—sparked a long meditation on the “two brothers” within the human heart. From Genesis to Augustine, and from Dante to Homer, they explore how disordered desire can lead either to indulgence (the prodigal) or to self-righteous suppression (the older brother). Perrin and White rehabilitate the language of desire—eros, longing, even the “stars” behind the word desire—as a force meant for joy and union when properly ordered. The conversation turns practical as White describes classroom habits, “much, not many,” and Socratic discussion as ways to unite discipline and delight in student learning. The episode closes with where to find White’s work, including The Divided Soul, her Substack, and The Close Reads community. Episode Outline Heidi White’s journey: homeschooling, recovering her own education, and entering the classical renewalThe Divided Soul: how the Prodigal Son becomes a template for understanding interior conflictGenesis and the Fall: how desire and duty fracture, and why the rupture shapes every human dilemmaRehabilitating desire: eros, “chaste eros,” fasting and feasting, and longing for heavenAugustine and the divided will: why we do what we hate and resist what we loveTeaching implications: habits, formation, music practice, and the slow education of desireClassroom practice: reading “much, not many,” annotation, handwriting, and Socratic discussionGreat books as living feasts: why students return to Austen, Dante, Homer, and others across a lifetimeKey Topics & Takeaways The “two brothers” within us: White argues that the prodigal’s appetite and the older brother’s resentment both live in the same soul—and healing requires reconciliation, not victory by one side.The Fall fractures what paradise joined: In Eden, duty and desire were aligned; sin introduces a traumatic division that echoes through every choice, habit, and temptation.Desire needs rehabilitation, not elimination: Desire is not “for” self-indulgence or suppression, but for joy—ultimately a longing for union with God that remains incomplete this side of eternity.Fasting is a pedagogy of desire: Self-denial isn’t contempt for pleasure; it’s training appetite toward a higher good—because “the purpose of the fast is the feast.”Great teaching makes room for gift: Dutiful habits (reading, writing, practice) create conditions where wonder can “break in” unexpectedly through truth, goodness, and beauty.“Much, not many” restores attention: Classical pedagogy resists “covering content” and instead invites slow, meaningful encounters that students can return to for decades.Love is the bridge between duty and desire: The teacher’s “office” (officium) is fulfilled in benevolent love—guiding the student into communion with the artifact and the joy it holds.Questions & Discussion Where do you see the “two brothers” in yourself: indulgence or self-righteous suppression?Identify one area where you chase satisfaction “on your own terms” and one area where you deny desire through resentment or control. What would reconciliation look like—practically—in the next week?How does the Prodigal Son illuminate your relationships (family, faculty, friendships)?Where do you see the temptation to label others as “that son of yours” rather than “this brother of yours”? What practices might restore relationship instead of reinforcing distance?What is desire for in your community’s imagination?Compare two instincts: “fulfill every appetite” vs. “want nothing.” Which dominates your environment?How could you articulate desire as ordered toward joy, union, and holiness? How can teachers unite rigor and joy in a classroom? How can teachers unite rigor and joy in a classroom?Identify one duty you want to strengthen (annotation, narration, memorization, problem sets). Pair it with one practice of delight (Socratic discussion, shared reading, seminar questions that touch real student longings).Suggested Reading & Resources The Divided Soul by Heidi WhiteThe Good Teacher by Christopher Perrin PhD and Carrie Eben MSeDNorms and Nobility by David HicksSt. Augustine’s Confessions by St. Augustine The Odyssey by Homer The Prodigal Son - Luke 15 The CiRCE InstituteClassical Academic PressClose Reads Community Heidi White's SubstackChristopher Perrin’s Substack

    1hr 27min

  6. 25 Feb

    Episode 57: Remembering Well: Restoring History Through Sympathy, Story, and Place

    Description Andrew Zwerneman, writer and narrator for HISTORY250® and co-founder and president of Cana Academy, joins Christopher Perrin to argue that America’s cultural crisis is, at root, a crisis of memory—and that renewing history education is a work of restoration. Zwerneman traces the teachers, places, and lived experiences that formed him as a historian, then explains why the “liberal discipline of history” must resist ideological reduction and return to observation, sympathy, and fidelity to the past. Along the way, they connect historical remembrance to the deepest human questions: personhood, responsibility, freedom, and the moral imagination that societies inherit. The conversation explores how biblical and classical sources shaped the American founding, how later leaders invoked inherited principles to confront slavery and injustice, and why the West’s habit of self-criticism depends on conserving what came before. Zwerneman introduces Cana Academy and its HISTORY250®  project as practical efforts to rebuild shared story through films, primary sources, maps, and teacher formation. The episode closes with a vivid picture of what great history instruction looks like: students learning to read documents, geography, art, and narrative so they can live under a shared story and recover “hallowed ground.” Episode Outline Zwerneman’s formation: family travel, early teachers, and awakening to the moral weight of historyWhy remembrance is central to human and Christian life: Exodus, Passover, and “do this in remembrance of me”Rejecting “history as a force”: recovering human agency, personhood, and moral dramaAmerican inheritance: scripture, ordered liberty, common law, and natural law in the foundingLearning from paradox: freedom and slavery at the founding; reform movements that appeal to founding idealsThe liberal discipline of history: observation, sympathy, and resisting ideologyWhat students should study: imagery, narratives, structures, data, geography, and the craft of storyCana Academy and HISTORY250®: films, documents, maps, and a “gift” aimed at cultural renewalA tour of the ideal classical history classroom: what you’d see, hear, and practiceKey Topics & Takeaways History restores identity: A people who lose their story lose a clear sense of who they are—and what they owe to the dead and the unborn.Human agency is central: Against “history as a force,” the episode insists that persons mediate between past and present through decisions, sacrifices, and responsibilities.Ordered liberty requires memory: American freedom is rooted in inherited sources (biblical imagination, British rights, common law, natural law), and it decays when citizens forget the responsibilities that attend freedom.History trains moral realism without moralizing: Sympathy is not excuse-making; it is the disciplined effort to understand the human condition before passing judgment.The classroom must return to concrete realities: Great history teaching works from maps, artifacts, documents, portraits, letters, diaries, and place—so students learn “what actually happened.”Shared story creates shared sympathies: Art, poetry, and narrative shape communal feeling and help students situate their lives in a meaningful inheritance.Renewal is practical: Teacher formation, curated primary sources, and accessible tools (films, documents, maps) are presented as tangible ways to fight cultural amnesia.Questions & Discussion What does it mean to study the past “in its pastness”?Discuss why people in the past may act in ways we do not recognize—or approve. How can teachers pursue truth without turning history into propaganda or therapy?How do observation and sympathy change the way we teach hard topics (war, slavery, injustice)?Identify one topic where your students tend to moralize quickly or dismissively. What sources (letters, diaries, speeches, laws, artifacts) could slow them down into careful understanding?What’s the difference between “ordered liberty” and “license”?Describe a modern example where freedom is framed as “doing whatever I want.” What habits, texts, or stories could help students reconnect freedom to responsibility and the common good?Which leaders or movements best model “reform by remembering”? Compare at least two examples discussed (e.g., Douglass, Lincoln, King, Chavez). What did each retrieve from the past to address present suffering?What belongs in a strong history curriculum besides a textbook? Make a list under five headings: imagery, narratives, structural analysis, data, and geography. Choose one heading and propose one new classroom routine (weekly map-reading, document lab, portrait study, artifact analysis, narrative-writing).What would you see in a “great classical upper school” history class?Describe the sounds and practices: seminar discussion, source analysis, narration, map work, interpretive writing, and shared reading. What is one change you could make this term that moves your classroom closer to that ideal?Suggested Reading & Resources History Forgotten and Remembered by Andrew ZwernemanAmerican Slavery, American Freedom by Edmund S. MorganLand of Hope by Wilfred M. McClayWestern Heritage since 1300 by Donald Kagan, Steven Ozment, Frank M. Turner, and Gregory F. ViggianoThe Second World Wars: How the First Global Conflict Was Fought and Won by Victor Davis HansonHoly Sonnets by John DonneThe Oxford Edition of Blackstone's: Commentaries on the Laws of England: Book I, II, III, and IVPack by William BlackstoneThe book of DeuteronomyThe book of ExodusThe Declaration of IndependenceThe U.S. ConstitutionThe Bill of RightsCana AcademyHISTORY250®The Curious Historian Humanitas

    1hr 15min

  7. 11 Feb

    Episode 56: A Nice Definition of Classical Education: The Language, Metaphors, and Meaning Behind “Classical”

    Description Christopher Perrin explores why “classical education” is both widely used and widely misunderstood—and why the language we choose matters. He surveys common assumptions people attach to the word classical (Greek and Roman history, Great Books, elitism, Eurocentrism) and explains why the modern renewal is, for better or worse, “stuck” with the adjective. Perrin argues that we cannot speak clearly about education without metaphor and analogy, since language itself is rooted in metaphor (from lingua, “tongue”). He then turns to the ancient Greek and Latin vocabularies of education—especially paideia (formation) and trophē (nourishment)—to show how earlier cultures understood education as shaping a human person, not merely transmitting information. Using Ephesians 6:4, he compares Greek and Latin renderings (Paul and Jerome) to illustrate how meaning is often “lost in translation” when rich terms are flattened into single English words. Perrin closes by suggesting that if he had to choose one word to gather the tradition, it would be formation—a metaphor that points to education’s deepest aim. Episode Outline Why “classical education” is misunderstood: common reactions and cultural assumptionsWhy we keep the word classical: branding, public discourse, and the need for clearer definitionMetaphor is unavoidable: language, analogy, and the “dead metaphors” we no longer noticeGreek terms for education: paideia (formation) and paidia (play), plus other educational vocabularyTrophe as nourishment: education as bringing up, feeding, and forming a childEphesians 6:4 as a case study: Paul’s Greek terms and Jerome’s Latin translation Translation problems: why one English word rarely matches a rich Greek/Latin term The need for “economy with clarity”: using more words (and better words) to describe educationA proposed center-word: formation as the best single term to gather education’s aimsWhere to continue learning: the podcast, ClassicalU, and ongoing reflections on definitionsKey Topics & Takeaways Words carry history—and drift over time: Even identical spellings (like “educate”) may not mean what they once meant.Metaphor isn’t optional: We describe complex realities (like education) through images, comparisons, and inherited figures of speech.Education is formation, not mere information: Ancient terms frame schooling as upbringing, cultivation, and shaping character.Greek paideia is richer than a single English equivalent: Translations often require multiple terms (training, discipline, instruction) to approximate meaning.Education is nourishment (trophe): The image of feeding and raising up reinforces education’s humane, embodied, relational nature.Translation always involves choices: Comparing Paul’s Greek with Jerome’s Latin exposes what can be gained—and lost—across languages.Clear speech requires more words, not fewer: When society forgets education’s purpose, precision often demands fuller description.Questions & Discussion What does it mean to study the past “in its pastness”?Discuss why people in the past may act in ways we do not recognize—or approve. How can teachers pursue truth without turning history into propaganda or therapy?What do people assume when they hear “classical education” in your context?List the top three assumptions you encounter (e.g., “Great Books only,” elitist, Eurocentric, test-driven). Draft one sentence you could use to clarify what you mean—and what you don’t mean.Where do you see metaphor doing “hidden work” in the way educators talk?Identify common metaphors you use (pipeline, outcomes, delivery, rigor, standards, growth). What do those metaphors emphasize—and what might they obscure?If education is “formation,” what exactly is being formed?Name the top three aims you believe education should form (virtue, wisdom, piety, civic responsibility, attention, love of truth). How does your school’s daily life (not just its curriculum) support those aims?How does the image of education as “nourishment” challenge modern schooling?What “diet” are students receiving—intellectually, morally, spiritually, culturally? What might “malnourishment” look like in a school (and what would renewal look like)?Suggested Reading & Resources Mortimer Adler: The Paideia Way of Classical Education by Robert Woods, Edited by David DienerThe Good Teacher: Ten Key Pedagogical Principles That Will Transform Your Teaching by Christopher A. Perrin, PhD and Carrie Eben, MSEd Festive School by Father Nathan CarrAn Introduction to Classical Education: A Guide for Parents by Christopher A. Perrin, MDiv, PhDA Student's Guide to Classical Education by Zoë PerrinThe Liberal Arts Tradition by Kevin Clark, DLS, and Ravi Scott JainLatin Vulgate: Ephesians 6:4 Amplified Bible: Ephesians 6:4Expanded Bible: Ephesians 6:4 ClassicalUClassicalU Course: Introduction to Classical EducationClassicalU Course: ParentU: Is Classical Education Right for Your Children?ClassicalU Course: A Brief History of Classical EducationClassicalU Course: The Liberal Arts TraditionClassicalU Course: Classical Education History and Introduction

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  8. 14 Jan

    Episode 55: From Fragmentation to Fellowship: The Intellectual Renewal Behind Classical Education

    Description David Diener, Assistant Professor of Education at Hillsdale College and president of The Alcuin Fellowship, joins Christopher Perrin to reflect on how a philosopher’s training can become a vocational doorway into the renewal of classical education. Drawing from years in K–12 school leadership and now higher education, Diener describes why classical schools often foster unusually rich intellectual community—and why that matters in an age of academic fragmentation. He also introduces Hillsdale’s Master of Arts in Classical Education (MACE), a program designed to address one of the movement’s biggest bottlenecks: forming well-equipped teachers and administrators. The conversation highlights how enduring philosophical anchors—from Plato and Aristotle to Aquinas—can be translated into concrete classroom practice. Diener then traces the role of The Alcuin Fellowship in deepening the movement’s historical and theoretical grounding, including its influence on The Liberal Arts Tradition. Finally, they look outward to the global growth of classical Christian education, including partnerships and training initiatives in Africa, such as the Rafiki Foundation, and expanding work across Latin America. David Diener has a forthcoming monograph in Spanish that will provide chapter-length essays on various aspects of classical Christian education. Additionally, he has an upcoming course on ClassicalU.com will release in the spring of 2026. Episode Outline From philosophy to teaching: Diener’s academic formation, early teaching experience abroad, and why education became his focusWhy classical schools attract scholars: the “faculty-of-friends” culture and how it can outpace typical undergraduate settingsHillsdale’s MACE program: structure, distinctives, and the need for teacher formation at scaleThe Alcuin Fellowship: purpose, retreats, the “scholar-practitioner” model, and the ecosystem role it playsPublications and intellectual consolidation: how collaborative work helped birth The Liberal Arts Tradition by Kevin Clark, DLS, and Ravi Jain Global and Latin American growth: partnerships, conferences, and emerging networks across continentsKey Topics & Takeaways Formation Through Practices: What we repeatedly do shapes what we love.Classical Schools as Intellectual Communities: Classical faculties often cultivate cross-disciplinary conversation and shared learning in ways that counter modern academic siloing.Theory-to-Practice Formation: Strong programs don’t leave philosophy abstract—they press big ideas into classroom realities and school leadership decisions.The Teacher-Leader Pipeline is the Bottleneck: Sustainable growth depends on forming more capable teachers and administrators, not merely opening more schools.Why MACE is Built the Way it is: A shared core creates common language and vision; later specialization prepares teachers and leaders for distinct roles.Fellowship as Infrastructure for Renewal: The Alcuin Fellowship functions as a hub for scholar-practitioners who think deeply and serve schools faithfully.From Local Renewal to Global Opportunity: The movement’s growth is increasingly international, with meaningful work underway in Africa and expanding initiatives in Latin America.Questions & Discussion What kind of “fragmentation” have you experienced in education (or your own formation)?What practices have helped you move toward integration?Why might a classical school faculty create stronger intellectual friendship than many modern institutions?Compare your current context to a “lunch-table culture” where teachers learn together across disciplines. What would it take to cultivate that kind of shared learning where you are?What is the role of a fellowship (formal or informal) in renewing an educational tradition?Identify one fellowship function you most need: reading, conversation, research, mentoring, or mutual sharpening. What could be your next practical step to build that community?How should the classical renewal relate to other organizations and conferences in the movement?What do you hope conferences and associations provide beyond inspiration (formation, scholarship, standards, support)? How can leaders prevent “event energy” from replacing sustained local practice?What opportunities—and challenges—come with global growth of classical Christian education?Discuss the difference between exporting a model and serving a local culture with deep roots. What do “curriculum accessibility” and “teacher training resources” mean in practical terms?Suggested Reading & Resources The Liberal Arts Tradition by Kevin Clark, DLS, and Ravi JainThe Liberal Arts Tradition (Audiobook) by Kevin Clark, DLS, and Ravi JainRafiki FoundationThe Rafiki Foundation PodcastAssociation of Classical Christian Schools (ACCS)Society for Classical Learning (SCL)Hillsdale CollegeHillsdale AcademyThe Alcuin FellowshipDr. Christopher Perrin on Substack

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Dr. Christopher Perrin has been a leader in the renewal of classical education in the United States for 25 years. In this podcast, he traces the renewal of the American paideia exploring the recent history of the American renaissance in light of the 2500 years that have preceded it. Christopher is the founding CEO of Classical Academic Press and the founder of ClassicalU.com. The Christopher Perrin Show is part of the TrueNorth.fm podcast network.

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