52 episodes

Doing work that matters always has a hard part. A point when our aspirations for achievement get challenged, and we either find a way or lose our way. The Messy Middle is a podcast designed for leaders who need to deliver results in a demanding context. Subscribe below and receive insights and ideas about how to amplify your impact within your life, organisation and community.

The Messy Middle Andrew Horsfield

    • Business

Doing work that matters always has a hard part. A point when our aspirations for achievement get challenged, and we either find a way or lose our way. The Messy Middle is a podcast designed for leaders who need to deliver results in a demanding context. Subscribe below and receive insights and ideas about how to amplify your impact within your life, organisation and community.

    E52 - Bonnie Wan - The Life Brief

    E52 - Bonnie Wan - The Life Brief

    Are you waking up and walking through life wishing it was better? Do you have a deep desire lying dormant that you wish you could reignite? Maybe you doubt the path you are on, or feel like things are fine, but you’d prefer to be starting your day feeling fired up and full of energy?

    If any of these sound familiar you are going to enjoy this conversation with Bonnie Wan. A Brand Strategist who, at a moment of deep despair, used her skills and expertise in creating client briefs, to write herself a Life brief. A personal blueprint that saved her marriage and catapulted her career, that she details in her book The Life Brief: a playbook for No regrets Living.

    This is one of the best books I have ever read about why we need to live with intention and purpose, and more importantly, the practical steps we can take to align our actions and aspirations. This conversation is a deep exploration about why we need to slow down and listen to ourselves, how we can unearth the things that matter and motivate our life, the role courage and curiosity play in living more courageously, and the benefits of choosing a life that is compelling, rather than conforming.

    This is one of the best conversations I have had on the podcast. If you are eager to create a life that is wholly your own, you are going to enjoy this conversation with Brand Strategist and author, Bonnie Wan.

    • 44 min
    Marc Sophoulis - Elite coach and educator

    Marc Sophoulis - Elite coach and educator

    Marc is a professional coach that plies his trade at the elite levels of both tennis and AFL football.

    Apart from being a coach, he has spent the past decade mentoring and training coaches in the art of athlete development and has deep practical experience in developing and working in high performance sports programs. So when I wanted to speak with someone about how we see and seize upon opportunities to advance, I immediately thought of Marc.

    This conversation extends well beyond the boundaries of sport as Marc’s practical insights and advice are equally relevant to leaders with teams, parents raising kids, as well as individuals who are committed to being the me that they want to be.
    We cover a lot of ground in this episode from why we should embrace learning and growth, how to establish positive learning environments, common obstacles we must overcome when pursuing personal or professional development, the import role rest, reflection and recovery play in growth, and so much more.

    I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation with Marc. His down to earth nature and accessible wisdom will help you improve the way you see and seize upon your opportunities to advance. Enjoy this conversation with elite coach and educator, Marc Sophoulis.

    • 45 min
    E50 - Malissa Clarke - Never Not Working

    E50 - Malissa Clarke - Never Not Working

    Are you feeling constantly under pressure and overwhelmed? Are you taking work home with you or finding it hard to switch off? If so, this conversation with Malissa Clarke is really going to resonate with you.

    Malissa is an Associate Professor of industrial and organisational psychology at the University of Georgia, and she’s written a brilliant book called, Never Not Working – Why the Always On Culture is Bad for Business and How to Fix It. A deeply insightful book that has gained attention and accolades from people like Adam Grant and Daniel Pink because of the beautiful way it explores why a large percentage of us are overworking – and how we can face and fix our own tendencies to be tethered to work.

    We covered a lot of important issues in this conversation like: why we overcommit to work, common tendencies we should be aware of (and it’s not just how many hours you are working), why hustle cultures are harmful - and the things we can all do to achieve excellence as well as endurance.

    Malissa provides a practical voice to a common problem most of us face. How we can manage the competing demands of modern life. It’s time to listen and learn as we speak with Associate Professor, author, and proud working mum, Malissa Clarke.

    • 41 min
    E49 - Cody Royle -

    E49 - Cody Royle -

    If you are a leader in charge of a team, a coach striving to be successful, or a parent committed to raising reasonable kids, this conversation with Cody Royle will resonate with you.

    Cody is an author, speaker and coach who spends the majority of his time coaching Head Coaches working at the elite level of sport. And while you may think this kind of work would mean a testosterone fuelled discussion about motivation, peak performance and success, you’d be mistaken, as Cody takes a more considered, and counter-intuitive approach, to his work.

    In this conversation we discuss the cognitive demands leaders have to deal with and how you can navigate the stress and anxiety that can come with leading people. We explore the importance of identifying the gaps between your aspirations and the obstacles in your path, the importance of awareness, communication and decision making, how continuous learning can propel your leadership to new heights, and so much more.

    This episode will help you embrace your ambitions and pursue your boldest objectives. I hope you are ready to absorb the valuable insights that come from this conversation with Coach of the Head Coaches, Cody Royle.

    • 46 min
    E48 - Cameron Schwab - Leadership Strategist

    E48 - Cameron Schwab - Leadership Strategist

    This month, I sat down with Cameron Schwab for a deep and intimate conversation about the true essence of leadership - and how we can all be better leaders in the various roles we play in our lives.

    Few people know the peaks and pitfalls of leadership like Cameron. CEO of the Richmond Football Club at just 24 ears of age, he rode the rollercoaster of high performance sport as the second longest serving CEO in the modern game. In that time, he collected a host of valuable lessons he now leverages as a leadership coach and strategist, and has detailed in his book More to the Game.

    Moving beyond the usual vernacular around leadership, we discuss what lies at the heart of good leadership, the role adversity and complexity play in defining a leader, the leadership principles Cameron himself uses to guide his life, and so much more. This is a conversation where you’ll want to have a pen and paper close by to capture the countless ideas Cameron shares.

    Please enjoy this ripping conversation with the very wise leadership coach and strategist, Cameron Schwab.

    • 47 min
    E47 - Manu Kapur - Productive Failure

    E47 - Manu Kapur - Productive Failure

    My guest on this episode is Many Kapur. Manu holds the Professorship for Learning Sciences and Higher Education and directs The Future Learning Initiative at ETH Zurich. Manu conceptualized and developed the theory of Productive Failure. How, rather than avoiding failure, we can purposefully design for it to facilitate better learning.

    In this conversation, Manu explains the importance of our environment for learning, why we need tasks to be challenging enough to stretch us but not so difficult that we become overwhelmed, as well as the profound impact productive failure has on our ability to grow and learn.

    We also discuss the correlation between learning goals and persistence in problem-solving tasks, and uncovering valuable insights that can help us navigate our own personal and professional challenges.

    I hope you enjoy this conversation with Manu Kapur as he unlocks the secrets of productive failure, and how it can propel us towards a better, more fulfilling life.

    • 32 min

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