In this episode, I am joined by Nic Oliver, Founder and CEO of people.io. Nic is on a mission to give people back ownership of their data and let each and every one of us connect with the value of our own personal information. In a way, he is democratising data but he is also challenging the status quo and attempting to “invert the global data model”. In effect, this means picking a fight with the companies that control the global data landscape today - namely, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple and Microsoft. If this were not enough of a challenge, he has also been fighting against the unavoidable fact that most people don’t actually care that much about their personal data. There is a lot in this episode: Nic is a passionate visionary, there has been multiple rounds of investment, groundbreaking partnership agreements and explosive user growth. But there have been many mistakes and lessons learnt. Nic also admits to burning out on more than one occasion. In short, there is loads we can learn from. Firstly, Nic is an expert on data - how it’s created, moved, stored, used and abused. He also makes it clear that it is not the data itself that is valuable; rather, it is the insight that data can provide. And this is something that even the earliest stage startups can learn from and take advantage of. This episode is also a prime example of how you need purpose and vision, but these must be matched by drive and energy in order to succeed. Businesses need to understand their customers and people.io know that this means understanding psychographics as well as demographics. As is often the case, the most useful lessons in life lie in failure and not success and the biggest takeaway for me from this episode is that entrepreneurs need to take care of themselves, mentally and physically. Nic has hit walls, been paralysed by decision fatigue and has burnt out on more than one occasion. You need to be able to step back, switch off and relax - not only for yourself but for the health of your business as well. Crucially, you will need to resolve the feeling of inner guilt caused by not working on your business all the time. But, as Nic points out, the challenge is stopping yourself from always wanting to do more.