Tough Cookie Talks

Jenna Jozefowski

Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.

  1. 10 HR AGO

    We Have To Save Ourselves (But We Don't Have To Do It Alone!) with Chelsea Laliberté Barnes

    Today's episode is brought to you by antifa wine moms. LOL. But seriously, today's guest and I met this year thanks to Instragram, but quickly realized that we were both doing a lot of similar work in our local community. When I heard about the work she's done to advocate for better policy around things like mental health, addiction recovery, and even mammogram coverage, I knew I needed to have her on the podcast! Chelsea Laliberté Barnes is a mom, social worker, psychotherapist, advocate, organizer, and change-maker at the forefront of the movement for compassion, justice, and equity for people and families impacted by substance use, overdose, and mental health. After losing her brother to an accidental polysubstance overdose in 2008, Chelsea channeled her grief into action — co-founding Live4Lali, a suburban Chicago-based organization delivering peer support, harm reduction outreach, advocacy, and education to thousands of people each year. In long-term recovery herself, Chelsea brings both lived experience and professional expertise to every space she enters. She is also the co-founder of the Lake County Opioid Initiative, the Illinois Harm Reduction & Recovery Coalition, and, most recently, Liberal Moms of the Northwest Suburbs, a grassroots community of progressive moms organizing for mutual support and advocacy. Chelsea holds a BA in Integrated Marketing Communications from Roosevelt University and a Master of Science in Social Administration (MSSA) with a Child & Family Mental Health specialization from Case Western Reserve University. She served as a Policy Fellow with the Illinois Consortium on Drug Policy, shaping evidence-based approaches to drug policy at the state level. A certified Overdose Education & Naloxone Distribution (OEND) trainer since 2013 and SMART Recovery Facilitator since 2016, she remains deeply committed to meeting people where they are — and helping systems do the same. When she is not caring for her 7-year-old and infant sons, reading, writing, or eating as much pasta as possible, Chelsea supports individuals and communities through her psychotherapy practice and provides nonprofit consulting and lobbying services through CLB Strategies. Follow her journey on Instagram at @mentalhealth.chels. On this episode we talk about: What led her to start a nonprofit and get involved with advocacy at such a young age.How "getting political" might actually help us solve some of our biggest health problems.Small ways we can advocate for ourselves, our neighbors, and a better world overall. Why we feel imposter syndrome as women and what to do about it. Why so many people (moms especially) had many of the same concerns as us around health and landed on MAHA as a solution instead.How to build a village. So many other good things! Follow Chelsea on Instagram Liberal Moms of the Northwest Suburbs Check out Chelsea's voter guide ⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠⁠

    1h 10m
  2. 26 FEB

    Laughing So We Don't Cry: Beauty Standards, Millennial Youth, and the Aftermath of the Epstein Files with Dr. Melissa Cioffi

    Dr. Mel is back and this time we're not talking about our usual fitness and physical therapy stuff. We're talking shit about the Epstein files. Or more specifically, how we're coming to terms with the fact that the beauty standards pushed on us as teenagers were created by literal pedophiles. Dr. Melissa Cioffi is a physical therapist, women’s fitness coach, and owner of New Quest Physical Therapy. As a pelvic floor PT, Melissa is passionate about helping vagina owners discover the power they hold within their bodies that they never realized existed. Using a mix of movement and no-nonsense education, she helps folks learn how to finally use their body in ways they’ve never dreamed they could, instead of being afraid of it. On this episode we talk about: How we're feeling in the aftermath of the Epstein files.Les Wexner--the man behind the brands that shaped our millennial youth. The messages we received from the clothes, body splashes, and images we were sold and how that shaped our body image and self worth in our teens. The ways we normalized the horrible behavior in men and tried to impress them. Even the ones with dumpster mattresses and dirty sheets. Whether all of our youth obsessed beauty standards are actually rooted in pedophilia. The cringe things we did and said for the male gaze when we were younger. How these revelations are shaping the way we think about beauty standards now. How we distinguish whether or not we're doing things like shaving our legs or painting our nails for ourselves or for the male gaze. How we're reclaiming our style for our younger selves by dressing like unhinged My Little Pony and Demented Tinkerbell.The ways that all of this is related to many of our pelvic floor issues. The things that are bringing us joy and keeping us sane in these times. So many other important and hilarious things! Follow Dr. Mel on TikTok Get Dr. Mel's Core & Pelvic Floor Jumpstart Freebie ⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠

    1h 1m
  3. 19 FEB

    Does Wanting to Lose Weight Make You Fatphobic?

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Today's episode is inspired by a post I saw on Instagram last weekend where someone was asking if having a weight loss goal made them fatphobic. The comments section was interesting because a lot of people seemed very confused about what that word even means. I was tempted to write a novel in response, but them I remembered that I have a podcast. So I decided to turn my comment into content. In a world where every other person you know is taking a GLP-1 and being super skinny is cool again, we need to talk about the very real pull you might be feeling to lose weight. On this episode we talk about: What fatphobia even is (and why we shouldn't take the word literally). The difference between systemic fatphobia and internalized fatphobia.Why you might feel shame around having a weight loss goal even if nobody is actually shaming you. Why we need to stop considering being called "fatphobic" an insult and instead look at it for what it actually is. How our individual lived experiences about our weight and its correlation with our health and happiness affects our perception of weight loss. Why it's so important to not conflate health, fitness, and weight/body size. Better questions to ask yourself besides when part of you does want to lose weight. 3 books I recommend to help you unpack all of this for yourself. So many other important things! Work with me⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠

    26 min
  4. 5 FEB

    She Quit Social Media For a Year! Real Life Off the Internet with Liz Brinkmoeller

    Today my good friend and former podcast guest Liz Brinkmoeller is back from her year off the internet! Or rather her year off Instagram and most other forms of social media. This is something that I and many other people I know have contemplated in the past few years, so I'm excited for her to share her experience with all of us. Liz Brinkmoeller has been a trainer/fitness instructor since 2014. She to be very diet culture and hustle culture focused but she slowly realized that it was getting her deeply burned out and depressed. Now she is a personal trainer with a full schedule of (mostly) ideal clients and much better work boundaries. She loves teaching people to get strong enough to smash the patriarchy. She has also recently started scull rowing and loves it! On this episode we talk about: ​What brought Liz to quit the internet (ok mostly just Instagram) for a whole year and what that looked like logistically. ​How being online too much was contributing to her burnout as a trainer.​Our hot takes on what the best and worst parts of the internet right now. ​What brought her back and how she's doing things differently this time.​How to reconcile staying informed with the news without burying your head in the sand or getting consumed by it.​Our predictions for the future of all things internet, social media, and tech. ​What's bringing Liz joy + small actions we can take to make the world a better place AND keep ourselves more sane. ⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠ ⁠Download Resistance Training⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram

    1h 3m
  5. 25/12/2025 · BONUS

    Fundamentalism in Fitness and Escaping the Christian Patriarchy with Tia Levings (Best of Season 3 Replay!)

    I am so thrilled to be able to share this conversation with Tia Levings with you today because if you don't know her and her work, you need to! Tia Levings is the New York Times Bestselling author of A Well-Trained Wife, her memoir of escape from Christian Patriarchy. She writes about the realities of religious trauma and the Trad wife life, decoding the fundamentalist influences in our news and culture. Her work and quotes have appeared in Teen Vogue, Salon, the Huffington Post, and Newsweek. She also appeared in the hit Amazon docu-series, Shiny Happy People. Based in North Carolina, she is mom to four incredible adults and likes to travel, hike, paint, and daydream. Find her on social media @TiaLevingsWriter and Substack at DeconstructingFundamentalism.com. Her second book releases with St. Martin’s Essentials May 5, 2026. On this episode we talk about: Tia's incredible life story that led her to be doing the work she does today.How we see it playing out in religion, in our homes, in our own lives, in our country as a whole. What could cause a person to gravitate to fundamentalist thinking and things we can do in our lives to push back against and avoid that.Parallels between what she experienced in her religion and home and what we sometimes get sucked into in fitness and wellness spaces.The pipeline from wellness to getting red pilled and how it happens.How to embrace more both/and thinking when our own experiences (a religion, dieting, our identity, life in general) have impacted us so profoundly that we just want to scream "NO YOU'RE WRONG!". How to reconcile doing that when some people are just terrible people with harmful ideas.Simple daily practices to keep ourselves grounded in a both/and sort of reality in a world that is increasingly polarized.How to we show up in our relationships when our loved ones see things so differently than we do.Insider info she wants to share with people as someone who was in a high control religion and marriage and got out.What to do if you see yourself in her story.So many other important things! ⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to Tia's Substack ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Tia on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Read Tia's book⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the Kettlebells & Chaos Challenge⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow me on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow me on Bluesky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow me on Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    1h 1m

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Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.

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