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Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbes

Debunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams and nonsensical nutrition advice.

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  1. 28 Jun ·  Bonus • Subscribers Only

    June Bonus: Ultraprocessed Foods Go To Washington

    This month we're talking about the increasing calls for public health experts to align with RFK Jr. to define and regulate "ultraprocessed foods." Not necessarily in that order.

  2. 10 Jun

    Salt

    In the 1980s, a low-sodium diet was seen as the gold standard for healthy behavior. In 2026, salt has been repackaged as “electrolytes” and is now cast as a core component of wellness. How did we get here? Also, an important correction: One pound of butter to one pound of potatoes is Joel Robuchon’s recipe. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on PatreonWatch Aubrey's documentaryBuy Aubrey's bookListen to Mike's other podcastGet Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and moreLinks! The 25 Saltiest Restaurant Meals in America Facts, Issues, and Controversies in Salt Reduction for the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease Salt Wars The INTERSALT Study: background, methods, findings, and implicationsSodium reductionSodium Intake Reduction: An Important But Elusive Public Health GoalEffects of Diet and Sodium IntakeSalt intake, stroke, and cardiovascular disease Racial and Ethnic Differences in Sodium Sources and Sodium Reduction Behaviors Among US AdultsThe Great Salt Debate: So Bad?Salt guidelines draw heavy backlashSodium Reduction in US Households’ Packaged Food and Beverage PurchasesBlood pressure lowering efficacy of angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors for primary hypertensionThanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song! Support the show

  3. 29 May ·  Bonus • Subscribers Only

    May Bonus: Taste-Testing Bella Hadid, Khloe Kardashian and Mr. Beast

    Spring has sprung, the flowers are in bloom and the influencers are back on their bullshit. This month, we're digging in on influencer-led wellness brands that are suddenly everywhere: Unwell (Alex Cooper), Khloud Protein Popcorn (Khloe Kardashian), Kin Euphorics (Bella Hadid) and Lunchly (Mr. Beast). That means we're back to sipping on dumb bitch juice (adaptogens and protein powder).

  4. 29 Apr ·  Bonus • Subscribers Only

    April Bonus: Aubrey Explains "Vanderpump Rules"

    By popular request, we're spending some quality time with some quality nonsense. This month, Aubrey walks Mike through the trash and magic of a beloved and long-running reality show. Apologies for Aubrey's audio this episode! We had some technical issues and used a backup recording, so things sound a little tinnier this episode.

  5. 16 Apr

    Tim Ferriss’s "The 4-Hour Body" (feat. Peter Shamshiri)

    We're joined by Mike's If Books Could Kill co-host to revisit a biohacking diet book for the boys. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on PatreonWatch Aubrey's documentaryBuy Aubrey's bookListen to Mike's other podcastGet Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and moreLinks! The 4-Hour BodyDoes Glycemic Index Matter for Weight Loss? An Examination of the Evidence New! Improved! Shape Up Your Life! The 4-Hour Body: The Real App You Are Working On Is An App Called YourselfThanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song! Support the show

  6. 1 Apr

    Russell Brand Part 2

    What do you do when you've flamed out as a Hollywood actor, a political commentator and a wellness guru? You make a YouTube channel. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on PatreonWatch Aubrey's documentaryBuy Aubrey's bookListen to Mike's other podcastGet Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and moreLinks! Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assaults and abuseExposing Russell BrandRussell Brand And The Conspiracy GriftRussell Brand on revolutionCelebrity Capital in the Political Field: Russell Brand’s migration from stand-up comedy to Newsnight“Arthur” lawsuit against BrandBBC says it received five complaints about presenterWoman says star exposed himself to her Russell Brand, SeriouslyHow the U.S. is sabotaging its best tools to prevent deaths in the opioid epidemicRussell Brand And The Conspiracy GriftRussell Brand’s fellow travellers should defend their claims in courtThanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song! Support the show

  7. 31 Mar ·  Bonus • Subscribers Only

    March Bonus: The Diva Diets of the 1980s

    This month we're tackling our least requested episode: 1980s celebrity diet books. Aubrey walks Mike through diet advice from Sophia Loren, Victoria Principal and Cher, including some truly upsetting recipes.

  8. 17 Mar

    Russell Brand Part 1

    Tracing the left-to-right political trajectory of the unfunniest man in British comedy. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on PatreonWatch Aubrey's documentaryBuy Aubrey's bookListen to Mike's other podcastGet Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and moreLinks! Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assaults and abuseExposing Russell BrandRussell Brand And The Conspiracy GriftRussell Brand on revolutionCelebrity Capital in the Political Field: Russell Brand’s migration from stand-up comedy to Newsnight“Arthur” lawsuit against BrandBBC says it received five complaints about presenterWoman says star exposed himself to her Russell Brand, SeriouslyHow the U.S. is sabotaging its best tools to prevent deaths in the opioid epidemicRussell Brand And The Conspiracy GriftRussell Brand’s fellow travellers should defend their claims in courtThanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song! Support the show

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Debunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams and nonsensical nutrition advice.

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  • Creator
    Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbes
  • Years Active
    2020 - 2026
  • Episodes
    154
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Maintenance Phase
  • Show Website
    Maintenance Phase
  • Provider
    Positive Moves LLC

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