Right There With You

Cass Cooper, Ciarra Jones

A podcast community showcasing the human experience, emphasizing the extraordinary strength we find within ourselves during the journey we call life. We are dedicated to questioning conventional wisdom, reevaluating beliefs, and fostering interpersonal connections. We believe in the power of experiences to shape, inspire, and transform. This is an engaging space where we share stories of discovery with passion and delve deeply into the profound and transformative power of personal experiences. Our goal is to emphasize the value of questioning what we think we know and celebrating the resilience and strength that emerge from our unique journeys while continuously inspiring the exploration and reevaluation of what we think we know. Hosted by Cass Cooper, The Chaos Whisperer, and Ciarra Jones, The Gardening Theologian. Find Us On: ✨ Patreon: patreon.com/thecommunitygarden ✨ Cass: iamcasscooper.com | www.TikTok.com/just_cass2.0 ✨ Ciarra: ciarajonesconsulting.com | www.TikTok.com/thegardeningtheologian

  1. 02/12/2025

    Hell, Whiteness, and the Myth of Punishment: A Conversation with Tamice Spencer-Helms & Brian Recker

    What if God was never a punisher—and hell was never the point? In this powerful episode of Right There With You, hosts Cass Cooper and Ciarra Jones sit down with public theologians Tamice Spencer-Helms (Faith Unleavened) and Brian Recker (Hell Bent) to explore how fear, whiteness, and Christian supremacy have shaped American Christianity and the spiritual lives of millions. Together, they unpack: How hell theology produces fear, shame, and controlWhy a punitive view of God leads to a punitive societyThe role of whiteness in shaping Christian identity, belonging, and powerWhat it means to be Black, queer, and spiritually rooted outside colonized faithHow to heal from religious trauma and rebuild spirituality in loveWhy restorative justice aligns more with Jesus than fear-based salvationThe wilderness between Trayvon Martin and George Floyd—and what liberation looks like after lossThis conversation is tender, challenging, funny, and liberating. It’s for anyone navigating deconstruction, exvangelical healing, racial justice, queerness, parenting, divorce, co-parenting, or redefining their relationship to God. If you’ve ever feared hell, questioned God’s love, or felt pushed out of church spaces—you’re right there with us. Featured GuestsTamice Spencer-HelmsAuthor of Faith Unleavened: The Wilderness Between Trayvon Martin & George FloydFounder, theologian, cultural critic, and co-creator of The Ember Gathering, a post-evangelical liberation event. Brian ReckerAuthor of Hell Bent: How the Fear of Hell Holds Christians Back from a Spirituality of LoveFormer evangelical pastor, restorative justice advocate, and co-founder of The Ember Gathering. 🌿 Find Cass & Ciarra Online✨ Instagram: @RightThereWithYouPod✨ Patreon: patreon.com/thecommunitygarden✨ Cass: iamcasscooper.com | TikTok @just_cass2.0✨ Ciarra: ciarajonesconsulting.com | TikTok @thegardeningtheologian

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A podcast community showcasing the human experience, emphasizing the extraordinary strength we find within ourselves during the journey we call life. We are dedicated to questioning conventional wisdom, reevaluating beliefs, and fostering interpersonal connections. We believe in the power of experiences to shape, inspire, and transform. This is an engaging space where we share stories of discovery with passion and delve deeply into the profound and transformative power of personal experiences. Our goal is to emphasize the value of questioning what we think we know and celebrating the resilience and strength that emerge from our unique journeys while continuously inspiring the exploration and reevaluation of what we think we know. Hosted by Cass Cooper, The Chaos Whisperer, and Ciarra Jones, The Gardening Theologian. Find Us On: ✨ Patreon: patreon.com/thecommunitygarden ✨ Cass: iamcasscooper.com | www.TikTok.com/just_cass2.0 ✨ Ciarra: ciarajonesconsulting.com | www.TikTok.com/thegardeningtheologian