Vanessa Frake spent decades inside Britain’s prison system - from Holloway to Wormwood Scrubs - and rose to become a prison governor. In this conversation, she describes what she says changed inside UK prisons as Islam grew, why prison authorities sometimes separate high-profile inmates like Tommy Robinson, and what it’s like trying to keep order when numbers, staff, and politics collide. SPONSORS: Earn up to 4 per cent on gold, paid in gold: https://www.monetary-metals.com/heretics/ Use my code Andrew25 on MyHeritage: https://bit.ly/AndrewGoldDNA Grab your free seat to the 2-Day AI Mastermind: https://link.outskill.com/GOLDNOV4 Start fresh at tryfum.com/products/zero-crisp-mint . Over 500,000 people have already made the switch — no nicotine, no vapor, no batteries. Just flavor, fidget, and a fresh start. Get up to 45% off Ekster with my code ANDREWGOLDHERETICS: https://partner.ekster.com/andrewgoldheretics Plaud links! Official Website: Uk: https://bit.ly/3K7jDGm US: https://bit.ly/4a0tUie Amazon: https://amzn.to/4hQVyAm Get an automatic 20% discount at checkout until December 1st. Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at https://mintmobile.com/heretics We also talk about foreign national prisoners, deportation delays, staffing cuts, and why recruitment standards have fallen. Vanessa explains how prisoners manipulate officers, why female officer scandals keep hitting headlines, and how prisons handle complaints and “minefield” issues like religion, gender, and trans prisoners. Vanessa’s book is The Governor. Use code ANDREWGOLD20 for 20% off your first month at Heights: http://heights.com/andrewgold Topics covered Islam in British prisons and Wormwood Scrubs Tommy Robinson and separation in prison Terrorism cases, safety, and control Foreign national prisoners and deportation backlog Staffing crisis, recruitment, and prison standards Corruption, coercion, and media narratives Rehabilitation and what the public gets wrong about prison If you enjoyed this, follow Heretics and share the episode. Join the 30k heretics on my mailing list: https://andrewgoldheretics.com Check out my new documentary channel: https://youtube.com/@andrewgoldinvestigates Andrew on X: https://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok Insta: https://www.instagram.com/andrewgold_ok Heretics YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@andrewgoldheretics Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
