Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman

Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes

On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

  1. 5日前

    Episode 134: Leila Abdul-Rauf

    Earlier this month saw the release of Andros Insidium on 20 Buck Spin, the sixth album by Leila Abdul-Rauf under her own name. Metal fans may know Leila as the singer and guitarist for death-metal group Vastum (the band she has fronted since its formation in 2009), but she has been involved in a number of projects over the years, some very far from the realms of metal. According to Leila people often pigeon-hole her solo output as “ambient” music, but she considers “cinematic” to be a better descriptor. Listening to Andros Insidium this does feel like a more appropriate term—the album being rich in textures and instrumentation. Sometimes the music inhabits a sonic world reminiscent of the otherworldliness of Dead Can Dance, at other times (like on the album’s harrowing title track), the stark piano and vocal presence is more in the lineage of Diamanda Galás. It’s dark, intense and at times harrowing music. Leila joins me to discuss the album, collaborations, mythology, imagery and how creative freedom and financial insecurity go hand-in-hand for independent artists. Photo by Alex Parra Album art by Justyna Koziczak Andros Insidium on vinyl and CD from 20 Buck Spin Leila Abdul-Rauf on bandcamp Catch Leila Abdul-Rauf live: May 28 Center for Computer Research in Music & Acoustics (CCRMA) Palo Alto, CA May 30 First Church of the Buzzard Oakland, CA Leila Abdul-Rauf on Instagram Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

    46 分鐘
  2. 4月21日

    Episode 133: Anne Richmond Boston (The Swimming Pool Q's)

    Back in the late 70s Anne Richmond Boston was a part of a then up-and-coming, young new-wave band called The Swimming Pool Q’s—a band that would find a spiritual home alongside contemporaries like fellow Georgians The B-52s and R.E.M. In 2026 Boston is still (bar a few years when she had moved on from the band) playing shows as a member of the band. Indeed The Swimming Pool Q’s have some shows coming up this May, information for which you can get here from their website. But there’s another story to be told here. The story of how Boston set out to record the follow up to her debut solo record The Big House Of Time, only for that album (I Should Be Happy) to remain unfinished and unreleased for more than 30 years on from its original recording sessions. So what happened? That’s what we’re here to discuss (as well as looking back on Boston’s musical upbringing and tales from the early years of The Swimming Pool Q’s). At the time of this conversation Boston was rehearsing with a band to hopefully see songs from I Should Be Happy performed on stage. Hopefully this will come to pass. In the meantime, I highly recommend checking out the album, if you aren’t already familiar with it. It’s an elegant and affecting set of songs dealing with loss and longing and hope. Incidentally, the interview show I refer to during our conversation (but then couldn’t remember the name of) was Into Music. Photo: Jason Thrasher I Should Be Happy on CD, vinyl and digitally on bandcamp. Thanks for Howard at Howlin’ Huelf Media Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

    1 小時 3 分鐘
  3. 4月14日

    Episode 132: Curran Reynolds (The Chain, Body Stuff)

    For the past 10 years Curran Reynolds has been one third of PR group The Chain, alongside Justin Pearson (Deaf Club, 3 One G) and Brandon Gallagher (Trace Amount). As with Justin and Brandon, Curran also makes music—on top of helping to represent artists navigating the music industry in his role at The Chain. This Sunday (April 19th) will see The Chain co-presenting an event to celebrate their 10 years together at Elsewhere in Brooklyn. The event is being co-promoted by Saint Vitus and will feature all three members of the Chain—Justin in the recently reformed Swing Kids, Brandon’s Trace Amount and Curran’s project Body Stuff (amongst other acts). Curran joins me to discuss the forthcoming event, The Chain, Body Stuff, and stories from his time working with Today Is The Day and from his years working as a publicist at Earache Records. Photo: Paul Roura Visit The Chain World for more information about Chain X and links to buy tickets. Body Stuff on bandcamp Curran and Body Stuff on Instagram Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

    53 分鐘
  4. Episode 131: HYPER GAL

    4月7日

    Episode 131: HYPER GAL

    Osaka, Japan’s HYPER GAL are vocalist Koharu Ishida and drummer Kurumi Kadoya. The two have been making music together since 2019 and this Friday sees the release of their latest record together Our Hyper. As with the duo’s previous albums, Pure and After Image, Our Hyper will be released on SKiN GRAFT Records—with the album on vinyl and CD (as well as digitally) and with special editions of the release also available. I’ve been thoroughly enjoying listening to an advance stream of the record, which sees the pair evolve their distinctive sound—which combines intense noise bombardments with shoegaze and pop aspects. For anyone able to attend one of the duo’s upcoming shows in Europe (the pair’s second planned tour in Europe as HYPER GAL) you could even pick up a copy of the album in person. This interview is a little different to past interviews on this podcast as Koharu and Kurumi were joined by friend Ai who helped to translate between my English questions and their Japanese answers. Thank you to Ai and thank you to Mark at SKiN GRAFT Records for helping to set this interview up. And if you’re wondering why we’re all laughing at the start of the interview. Well, I realised just as they were starting to answer my first question that I hadn’t pressed record! Good thing I figured that out before we were halfway through. Buy Our Hyper here. HYPER GAL on Instagram. Cover art by Akina TokiyoshiPhotos by Yurika Rokkon Design by Mark Fischer Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

    41 分鐘
  5. Episode 130: Jarboe

    3月31日

    Episode 130: Jarboe

    Since the mid-80s, Jarboe has been an important figure in the musical underground. While many will have first come to know her through her mesmerising performances as a member of Swans from 1985 to the band’s initial breakup in 1997, Jarboe has now been releasing music under her own name for roughly 35 years. 1991’s Thirteen Masks showcased her versatility as a singer and songwriter and with each successive release Jarboe has continued to explore the possibilities of compositional architecture. From the harrowing intensity of 1998’s Anhedoniac, to the drone-metal-infused Mahakali ten years later, to the beautiful and highly atmospheric Illusory from 2020, Jarboe’s next musical step can never be predicted. Sightings (released this Friday on Consouling Sounds) builds from an experience Jarboe had several years ago where a particular vireo bird appeared in her garden every day for a whole summer, seemingly performing directly for her. Recordings of this bird’s versatile song became the foundation for the album’s centrepiece “Vireo Serenade”. Once the idea of Sightings was born, Jarboe brought in several friends and collaborators, (including Thor Harris and Father Murphy’s Freddie Murphy and Chiara Lee) to help create an album that once again explores new musical terrain, while continuing to signpost her enduring Buddhist meditative practices. Jarboe joins me to discuss the album, nature, danger, creativity and how she navigates the music business as a DIY artist who has never courted mainstream attention. Visit The Living Jarboe Pre-order Sightings from Consouling Sounds Thanks to Dom at 3-Nation Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

    1 小時 5 分鐘
  6. 3月17日

    Episode 128: Steve Instasi (Black Beach)

    Though post-punk unit Black Beach was officially born in 2012, Steve Instasi, bassist Ben Semeta and drummer Ryan Nicholson had already been playing together under different names. In fact, Ben and Steve have been playing together in various bands since Steve was 12. So Mail Thief (out this Friday on Best Brother Records) is certainly far from the trio’s first rodeo. But while the band already have several releases under their belts, Mail Thief is Black Beach’s first collaboration with a label (thanks to the band linking up with Best Brother Records). With Mail Thief channelling strains of The Birthday Party, as well as longstanding inspirations like The Fall and The Stooges, Steve joins me to discuss the record, how the band’s sound has evolved over the years and tales from many years of performing and touring. And on the topic of tours, Black Beach will be playing along the East Coast of the US from the 1st of April, preceded by an album-release show on Saturday the 21st of March at Deep Cuts, Medford, MA (supported by Pinklids, Nice Guys and Dinos). Incidentally, on the 4th of April, Black Beach will be sharing a stage with Luna Honey, whose Maura Pond appeared on this podcast all the way back on episode 47—if you haven’t already given that interview a whirl, the might like to do so. She’s great and they’re great. For all Black Beach links and to listen to and pre-order Mail Thief click here. Check out the Best Brother Records catalogue here. Thanks to Joe at Stereo Junk PR Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

    42 分鐘

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On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com