Making Creativity Pay

Dan Barnett
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Welcome to ‘Making Creativity Pay’, this isn’t a podcast about making millions, more about speaking to people in creative industries whether that’s music, literature, art or anything that relies on creativity about how that ties in with making a living from it. The aim is not about selling out any creative endeavour but to ensure that there is at least some way to pay the bills and keep the lights on, money can be seen to be a vulgar part of the process but getting fairly paid for the time, effort and expertise you put in to something shouldn't be a bad thing.

  1. Krystal Evans - Hottest Girl at Burn Camp, Mitchell and Webb and Stand-up

    21/12/2025

    Krystal Evans - Hottest Girl at Burn Camp, Mitchell and Webb and Stand-up

    “ I'm very keenly aware of the whole, reliving my life thing in different forms and having that replace my real memories sometimes, and that can be a kind of a scary thing because it is this thing that happened to me that I didn't talk about for so many years and like in public, like never, you know? And now I've spoken about it in so many forms and you know how memory works, you tell it and you keep remembering it and the memory can change ” - Latest guest Comedian and Author Krystal Evans We talk about her experience as one of the writers and performers on Channel 4’s 'Mitchell and Webb are Not Helping', her experiences as a stand up and her Fringe show ‘Hottest Girl at Burn Camp’ and the book and the audiobook of the same name which detail some her childhood experiences and how comedy can come from tragic experiences. We also talk about the Scottish comedy scene, her Sex and Relationships podcast ‘Chris and Krystal are in Heat’ with fellow Comedian Chris Weir and being part of a crowdfunder for upcoming short film “How we’re really actually doing” Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/krystalevanscomedy/  Hottest Girl in Burn Camp Book: https://linktr.ee/thehottestgirlatburncamp  Audiobook on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1kldAghwmjrj3wxDF0PMZL  Mitchell and Webb are not helping: https://www.channel4.com/programmes/mitchell-and-webb-are-not-helping  Website: https://www.comedykrystal.com/  Chris and Krystal are in heat Podcast: https://shows.acast.com/chris-and-krystal-are-in-heat  Linktree: https://linktr.ee/krystalevans  “How we’re really actually doing” film: https://www.instagram.com/hwrad.film/  Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/  Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

    49 min
  2. Hannah Morton - Cha Cha Real Smooth

    11/12/2025

    Hannah Morton - Cha Cha Real Smooth

    “  I am a jack of all trades in the comedy industry and also don't make much money, so that's why I do it all, my main sort of thing is that I'm a writer of funny stuff that most of the time I perform. I'm getting really used to calling myself a stand-up now which is terrifying.” Latest guest is Comedian Hannah Morton, we talk about her experience at last year’s Fringe with her show Cha Cha Real Smooth and how the show about her experiences as a Children’s entertainer came about, promotion at the Fringe and the blurring between her and the character in the show. We also talk about her work with digital marketing as part of the team looking after the Glasgow International Comedy Festival which is back next March and her experiences going viral online.  Hannah’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hannahmorton_94/  Crushed! And Cha Cha Real Smooth at Glasgow International Comedy Festival: https://www.glasgowcomedyfestival.com/events/?search=Hannah+morton  Sad Girls Club Podcast: https://www.instagram.com/thesadgirlsclub2024/  Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/  Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

    1h 1m

  3. 01/12/2025

    Line Producing and Events with Fliss Williams

    “ I would like to destroy the biggest myth right from the off, which is that working in production isn't creative. It absolutely is…what I do on a day-to-day basis is I actually make huge decisions for any production that I work on that directly influence the content that is on screen.” On this episode I spoke with Fliss Williams who has experience working on a range of film and television productions as well as live events for the BBC and is organising the upcoming British Comedy Guide conference that’s being held in London on 5th and 6th of December We talk about what a Line Producer does, how that work was a good fit for event management and her work as a mentor on the Wonder Women project. British Comedy Guide - Big Comedy Conference 5th-6th Dec https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/bcg-pros-big-comedy-conference-2025-tickets-1504841333939  Wonder Women Mentoring: https://www.wonderwomentv.com/mentoringprogramme  Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/  Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

    46 min
  4. Gobby Girls - From Fringe to Soho Theatre

    19/11/2025

    Gobby Girls - From Fringe to Soho Theatre

    “It’s written, performed, directed and produced entirely by women and there’s something ridiculously refreshing about that” - Claire Rafferty On this episode I spoke with some of the writers and performers of Gobby Girls: The Afterparty which is on at the Soho Theatre from 20th-22nd November We talk about their sold out Edinburgh Fringe run and how it went from idea to performance in just a matter of weeks and taking a new show to Soho Theatre. We also talk about the importance of community and the support they get from group as well as discussing how the show came about, online promotion and value of improvisation. Soho Theatre Tickets: https://sohotheatre.com/events/gobby-girls-the-after-party/  Gobby Girls Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gobbygirlproductions/  Female Pilot Club Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/femalepilotclub/  Other Links: https://linktr.ee/gobbygirlproductions  Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/  Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

    44 min
  5. Milo Edwards - How Revolting!

    06/11/2025

    Milo Edwards - How Revolting!

    “I’ve basically walked backwards into having a day job” - Latest guest Stand-Up Comedian, writer and podcaster Milo Edwards. Milo has been a stand-up for over 10 years and has regularly performed at the Edinburgh Fringe and has released a number of specials on YouTube. We talk about his tour show “How Revolting! Sorry to Offend” that’s working its way around the country in 2025 and 2026, writing a show a year for the Fringe, the Trash Future podcast which has over 15k monthly paying subscribers as well as other podcasts he’s part of including Glue Factory podcast with Olga Koch, Pierre Novellie and Riley Quinn. Website: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk   Instagram: https://instagram.com/milo_edwards  YouTube Specials: https://www.youtube.com/@milo_edwards  Podcast and other links via: https://linktr.ee/milo_edwards Cover Image: https://www.instagram.com/joshuaperotiphoto/  Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/  Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

    38 min
  6. Slumber Parties and Fight Clubs with Charlotte Cropper

    30/10/2025

    Slumber Parties and Fight Clubs with Charlotte Cropper

    “ So we have a main rule at comedy club that there's no toilet humour because it's too easy, I can make a fart sound and the room will explode with giggles. So we try and really emphasize that it's about being clever. I want you to go home to your grownups, whoever's looking after you. And I want them to be like, I'm genuinely impressed that you've come up with that joke or that character or that sketch idea or whatever.” Comedian, Podcaster, Poet and more Charlotte Cropper. We talk about Charlotte’s job working as a facilitator for kids after-school comedy workshops, her comedy night Slumber Party that she runs in Manchester, as well as Fight Club a writing support group and collective and a load of other creative endeavours Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/croppachoppa/  https://www.instagram.com/slumber.party.comedy/  Website:   https://www.charlottecropper.co.uk/  Nottingham Comedy Festival (2nd Nov): https://www.nottinghamcomedyfestival.co.uk/charlotte-cropper---beth-moore--croppachoppa-s-slumber-party  Golden Time Podcast: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id1821766240  Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1fAE9Ovn1FWYi58HwI2Ke0  Other Gigs, Fight Club and more: https://linktr.ee/charlottecropper  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@croppachoppa  Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’ Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/  Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

    56 min
  7. Filmmaking and Video with Cinora's Ashley Catherine Dick

    25/10/2025

    Filmmaking and Video with Cinora's Ashley Catherine Dick

    “ I used to tell people at primary school I was gonna be a film director when I grew up. I don’t know what happened in my childhood that made that happen but it was just a very strong determination and I think when I went to secondary school and people started sort of talking about their careers, I just had this feeling that, if I didn't try, I would always regret it." Ashley Catherine Dick founder of film company Cinora.  We talk about how she got into filmmaking, how video and film differ and some of the things she’s created such as Cinora’s short film ‘The Boulder’ and the Glasgow version of Subway Takes called ‘Clockwork Orange Takes‘ Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/cinorafilms/  Website:   https://www.cinorafilms.com/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cinorafilms  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cinorafilms    Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’ Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/  Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

    1h 3m
  8. Cheerful Earful and The Golden Lobes

    11/10/2025

    Cheerful Earful and The Golden Lobes

    “  We've done a couple of boat cruises with Brian Blessed called Overboard with Brian Blessed, which was great fun 'cause people just love being in the room with him. The first one we did on the Thames, we'd written this beautiful script about all of the facts about this, that and the other when we passed them on the river and he sort of had the piece of paper and went, what the fuck is this? And just literally threw it out the window and then just started telling stories for two hours.” Giles Gear founder of Giddy Aunt Comedy and founder of the Cheerful Earful Podcast festival which starts in the UK on the 12th October. We talk about how the festival came about, the importance of building a community and also other parts of Giddy Aunt comedy including the fantastically named Golden Lobes which is a podcast awards evening which has representation from indie podcasters through to national giants. We also talk about the range of live events Giddy Aunt has set up including Louis Theroux, Brian Blessed and many more.  Festival Tickets: https://cheerfulearful.podlifeevents.com/  Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/cheerfulearfulpodfest/  https://www.instagram.com/giddyauntcomedy/  Website:   https://www.cheerfulearful.co.uk/  https://www.giddyauntcomedy.com/  Find More about ‘Making Creativity Pay’ Website: https://podcasting.makingcreativitypay.com/episodes/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/Beyond_the_Pod  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingcreativitypay/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danjbarnett/  Making Creativity Pay Newsletter: https://makingcreativitypay.substack.com/

    37 min
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Welcome to ‘Making Creativity Pay’, this isn’t a podcast about making millions, more about speaking to people in creative industries whether that’s music, literature, art or anything that relies on creativity about how that ties in with making a living from it. The aim is not about selling out any creative endeavour but to ensure that there is at least some way to pay the bills and keep the lights on, money can be seen to be a vulgar part of the process but getting fairly paid for the time, effort and expertise you put in to something shouldn't be a bad thing.

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  • Creator
    Dan Barnett
  • Years Active
    2020 - 2025
  • Episodes
    76
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Dan Barnett
  • Show Website
    Making Creativity Pay