ScaleUp Radio

Scaling up your business isn't easy, and can be a little daunting. Let ScaleUp Radio make it a little easier for you. With guests who have been where you are now, and can offer their thoughts and advice on several aspects of business. ScaleUp Radio is the business podcast you've been waiting for. If you would like to apply to be a guest, just click here: https://bizsmarts.co.uk/scaleupradio/apply Kevin's New Book Is Now Available! Drawing on BizSmart's own research and experiences of working with hundreds of owner-managers, Kevin Brent explores the key reasons why most organisations do not scale and how the challenges change as they reach different milestones on the ScaleUp Journey. He then details a practical step by step guide to successfully navigate between the milestones in the form of ESUS - a proven system for entrepreneurs to scale up. More on the Book HERE - https://www.esusgroup.co.uk/

  1. Episode #626: Closing The Leadership Expectation Gap - with Megan Robinson

    10 hr ago

    Episode #626: Closing The Leadership Expectation Gap - with Megan Robinson

    Why do so many talented managers struggle when they step into leadership roles? It's a challenge that affects businesses of every size. High performers are often promoted because they're brilliant at what they do, yet they're rarely given the skills, tools, or support needed to lead people effectively. In this episode of ScaleUp Radio, Kevin Brent speaks with Megan Robinson, Founder of eLeader Experience, about what she calls the "Leadership Expectation Gap" and why it is costing organisations far more than they realise. Megan shares how businesses can move leaders from being stuck in the weeds to becoming influential people developers who create stronger teams, better performance and higher retention. In this episode: Why leadership and management are not the same thing The hidden cost of promoting technical experts into leadership roles without support Why poor leadership can account for significant revenue loss How a coaching-first approach develops leaders rather than simply training them The importance of moving from giving answers to asking better questions Why influence is the true measure of leadership The practical habit that can instantly improve your leadership effectiveness Lessons from scaling a coaching business beyond founder capacity Why pricing for future growth matters from day one The Leadership Expectation Gap Many businesses promote their best salesperson, engineer or technical specialist into management. The problem? Success as an individual contributor requires a completely different skill set from success as a leader. Without support, managers often continue doing the work themselves rather than developing their people. They become trapped in day-to-day operations, limiting both team performance and business growth. Megan explains how this expectation gap contributes to employee turnover, disengagement and significant financial costs for organisations. Developing Leaders, Not Just Training Them Megan founded eLeader Experience with a mission to make leadership development accessible to everyone. Her approach combines the depth of executive coaching with the structure of leadership training through a flexible blend of workshops, group coaching and one-to-one support. The goal is simple: Develop leaders who can think, influence and empower others rather than simply complete tasks. Stop Feeding the Advice Monster One of the most practical insights from this conversation comes from Michael Bungay's concept of the "Advice Monster". Many leaders believe they add value by providing answers. The reality is often the opposite. By immediately offering solutions, leaders reduce accountability, limit team growth and miss opportunities to uncover the real issue. Megan shares a simple challenge: Ask at least three questions before giving advice. This creates better conversations, develops critical thinking and empowers people to take ownership of their own solutions. The One Key Thing The one key thing from this episode is that leadership is influence, not expertise. The moment leaders stop trying to have all the answers and start asking better questions is the moment their teams begin to grow. A Standout Quote "Leadership is influence. Nothing more, nothing less." This simple principle underpins Megan's entire approach and provides a powerful framework for anyone looking to become a more effective leader. Megan's ScaleUp Essentials Book Recommendation American Icon by Bryce G. Hoffman - https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/american-icon-alan-mulally-and-the-fight-to-save-ford-motor-company-bryce-g-hoffman/a4846b61b5d9588d?ean=9780307886064&bkshp-astro=t Podcast Recommendation The Look and Sound of Leadership - https://essentialcomm.com/podcast/ Technology Recommendation HubSpot - https://www.hubspot.com/ Zapier - https://zapier.com/ Client Acquisition Strategy Relational networking and meaningful conversations. No magic formula. No shortcuts. Just building genuine relationships. About Megan Robinson Megan Robinson is the Founder of eLeader Experience, helping organisations develop leaders through a coaching-first approach that combines leadership training, executive coaching and practical development programmes. Megan can be found here https://www.linkedin.com/in/tritcak/ https://www.eleaderexperience.com/ Smart90 and the G90 Summit Most founders I speak to feel busy but stuck; plenty happening, but not always clear on what genuinely matters most this quarter. If that's you, the G90 Summit is worth a look. A structured half-day where we work through everything competing for your attention, get clear on the three to five things that must happen in the next 90 days, then commit to them and build the system to make sure they actually happen. Quarterly, virtual, £97 a seat. Smart90.co.uk/summit Connect To learn more about ScaleUp Radio, nominate a future guest or explore further resources, visit Smart90.co.uk. Make sure you subscribe to ScaleUp Radio wherever you listen to podcasts so you never miss an episode.

    50 min
  2. Episode #625: Why Authentic Leadership Starts With Looking After Yourself - with Daniel Glyde

    2 days ago

    Episode #625: Why Authentic Leadership Starts With Looking After Yourself - with Daniel Glyde

    What happens when the very traits that helped you succeed become the ones that push you towards burnout? In this episode of ScaleUp Radio, Kevin Brent sits down with Daniel Glyde, founder of Positive Masculinity, to explore how business owners and leaders can build sustainable success by developing a healthier relationship with themselves first. Daniel shares his personal journey from BBC producer to coach, following a severe burnout and panic attack in 2018. His experience led him to challenge the traditional expectations many men place on themselves and ultimately build a business focused on helping men create authentic identities, stronger self-belief and healthier lives. The conversation explores why so many founders fall into people-pleasing, perfectionism and overwork, and how setting boundaries can actually improve performance, leadership and business growth. In this episode: Daniel's journey from burnout to business owner How years of emotional suppression and people-pleasing led to chronic anxiety and burnout The wake-up call that forced him to reassess his priorities Why putting yourself first is not selfish but essential Understanding Positive Masculinity Daniel's framework is built around three core principles: Know yourself Be yourself Love yourself Together these help men develop an authentic identity based on values rather than external validation. The hidden cost of people-pleasing Daniel explains the difference between: Being kind and supportive Saying yes when you really mean no He shares why many founders unintentionally create stress, resentment and poor performance by failing to establish healthy boundaries. Building a business through community Daniel has created a three-level business model: A free WhatsApp community with weekly accountability and support A paid mastermind programme focused on peak performance Premium one-to-one coaching helping clients overcome procrastination, perfectionism and self-doubt What leaders can learn from authenticity The discussion explores: Why vulnerability builds trust The power of saying "I don't know" How leaders can model healthier behaviours for their teams Creating cultures that support wellbeing without sacrificing performance Daniel's non-negotiables for peak performance 8+ hours sleep 30+ minutes meditation daily 30+ minutes walking daily 2+ hours of genuine rest every day Daniel can be found here https://www.linkedin.com/in/danglydecoach/?skipRedirect=true https://danglydecoach.co.uk/ Books that shaped Daniel's thinking Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself – Dr Joe Dispenza - https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/breaking-the-habit-of-being-yourself-how-to-lose-your-mind-and-create-a-new-one-dr-joe-dispenza/6fd49b57c6281cf2?ean=9781848508569&bkshp-astro=t The Power of Now – Eckhart Tolle - https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-power-of-now-the-global-phenomenon-a-guide-to-spiritual-enlightenment-eckhart-tolle/45ac3c2e9da05aa3?ean=9780340733509&bkshp-astro=t A Return to Love – Marianne Williamson - https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/a-return-to-love-reflections-on-the-principles-of-a-course-in-miracles-marianne-williamson/c3694c5bdc882349?ean=9780722532997&bkshp-astro=t Conversations with God – Neale Donald Walsch - https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/conversations-with-god-neale-donald-walsch/fd5674b3bef4bbd3?ean=9780340693254&bkshp-astro=t Technology helping Daniel scale Daniel uses Claude AI extensively for research, content creation and automating parts of his outreach process. - https://claude.ai/ The one key thing Many founders believe they need to sacrifice themselves to build a successful business. Daniel argues the opposite. Sustainable growth starts when you stop abandoning your own needs and begin leading from a place of authenticity, energy and self-respect. Standout Quote "Your business can only grow sustainably to the extent that you look after yourself."   Smart90 Most founders I speak to feel busy but stuck; plenty happening, but not always clear on what genuinely matters most this quarter. If that's you, the G90 Summit is worth a look. A structured half-day where we work through everything competing for your attention, get clear on the three to five things that must happen in the next 90 days, then commit to them and build the system to make sure they actually happen. Quarterly, virtual, £97 a seat. Smart90.co.uk/summit

    52 min
  3. Episode #624: ScaleUp Club - Why You Should Plan for Exit Long Before You Want to Sell - with Helen Bower

    1 Jul

    Episode #624: ScaleUp Club - Why You Should Plan for Exit Long Before You Want to Sell - with Helen Bower

    Why should founders start planning their exit years before they intend to leave? That was the theme of this month's ScaleUp Club, where members explored one of the most misunderstood areas of business growth: exit planning. Joining Kevin Brent was returning guest Helen Bower, former owner of Adder Bookkeeping, who successfully sold her business to Fresh Financials Group in 2025 after deliberately building it with a 10-year exit strategy in mind. Helen shared a refreshingly honest account of how she transformed a self-employed role into a scalable business, the systems she put in place, how the acquisition unfolded, and what life looks like after the sale. Alongside Helen's Q&A, members also received an AI Pulse update from Tim Wynn-Stanley of Resolve IT, covering one of the hottest developments in AI right now: Vibe Coding. The session explored why exit planning is not really about selling your business. Instead, it is about creating a stronger, more scalable and less founder-dependent company today. Key Takeaways: • Exit planning is growth planning in disguise • The same disciplines that increase business value also improve day-to-day performance • Most businesses are worth significantly less than owners expect because they remain too dependent on the founder • Systemisation is one of the biggest drivers of business value • Buyers look beyond profit and consider factors such as recurring revenue, client retention, staff retention, reputation and operational independence • Helen achieved a four-times EBITDA valuation after years of deliberate preparation • Strong processes allowed her business sale to complete in just six weeks • Remaining in the business after acquisition helped maintain client retention and protected earn-out payments • Brand reputation can significantly influence attractiveness to buyers • AI-generated software can be powerful but requires careful testing and governance AI Pulse: Vibe Coding and Hidden Risks Tim Wynn-Stanley shared insights into the rapidly growing world of Vibe Coding, where AI tools can create functioning software applications simply through conversation. While the speed and accessibility are impressive, Tim warned that many founders are unknowingly creating security and compliance risks. His practical checklist included: • Checking whether passwords or API keys are exposed • Ensuring databases are properly secured • Testing for unintended access points • Reviewing GDPR and compliance obligations • Running comprehensive security testing As Tim put it: "Just because it works doesn't mean it's safe." Helen's Exit Journey Helen began Adder Bookkeeping as a sole trader before intentionally building a team and creating a business capable of operating without her day-to-day involvement. Her preparation included: • Documenting every core process • Building detailed client onboarding systems • Implementing strong CRM workflows • Creating repeatable operational procedures • Developing a trusted second-in-command • Building a strong personal and business reputation within the bookkeeping sector When the opportunity arose to join Fresh Financials Group, the business was already highly systemised, enabling a remarkably fast acquisition process. The One Key Thing If your business cannot operate without you, you don't yet own a sellable asset. Every step you take to reduce founder dependency makes your business more valuable, more resilient and ultimately more enjoyable to run. Scaling up your business isn't easy, and can be a little daunting. Let ScaleUp Radio make it a little easier for you. With guests who have been where you are now, and can offer their thoughts and advice on several aspects of business. ScaleUp Radio is the business podcast you've been waiting for. If you would like to be a guest on ScaleUp Radio, please click here: https://bizsmarts.co.uk/scaleupradio/kevin You can get in touch with Kevin here: kevin@biz-smart.co.uk   G90 Summit Most founders I speak to feel busy but stuck; plenty happening, but not always clear on what genuinely matters most this quarter. If that's you, the G90 Summit is worth a look. A structured half-day where we work through everything competing for your attention, get clear on the three to five things that must happen in the next 90 days, then commit to them and build the system to make sure they actually happen. Quarterly, virtual, £97 a seat. http://Smart90.co.uk/summit   Helen Bower can be found here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/helenbowerbookkeepingpractice/

    46 min
  4. Episode #623: Building a Business That Scales Without Losing Its Soul - with Sam Eaton

    29 Jun

    Episode #623: Building a Business That Scales Without Losing Its Soul - with Sam Eaton

    Many founders dream of building a business that gives them freedom, impact and financial success. The challenge is that what gets a business to £1m rarely gets it to £4m and beyond. In this episode of ScaleUp Radio, Kevin Brent is joined by Sam Eaton, founder of MindAbility, a business that helps HR and talent entrepreneurs build successful businesses on their own terms. Sam shares lessons from scaling her own HR business from £650k to £4.3m, the systems that made growth possible, and why founders need to rethink leadership, culture and accountability as their organisations grow. From creating scorecards that drive performance to navigating the difficult £3m to £4m growth stage, this conversation is packed with practical advice for founders looking to scale sustainably. In this episode: Why every scalable business should start with an unscalable service How MindAbility evolved from one-to-one coaching into a scalable membership model The biggest mistakes HR professionals make when launching their own businesses Lessons learned from scaling an HR company from £650k to £4.3m Why weekly scorecards transform business performance The difference between lagging indicators and controllable metrics How to spot problems before they become business-threatening Why the £3m to £4m stage is one of the hardest phases of growth The leadership changes required as businesses become more complex How culture evolves and sometimes fractures as organisations scale Why founders need to transition from operator to CEO The growing strategic role HR can play in AI adoption How to align employee ambitions with business success The value of building an alumni network rather than simply managing staff turnover One standout message from Sam "What gets you from £1m to £2m won't get you from £3m to £4m." As organisations grow, founders must continually reinvent systems, leadership structures and ways of working. Growth requires evolution. The one key thing Scale by starting unscalably. Many founders try to automate and scale too early. Sam's experience shows that the fastest route to sustainable growth is often through delivering exceptional high-touch service first, proving the model, building credibility and understanding exactly what customers value before creating scalable systems around it.   Scaling up your business isn't easy, and can be a little daunting. Let ScaleUp Radio make it a little easier for you. With guests who have been where you are now, and can offer their thoughts and advice on several aspects of business. ScaleUp Radio is the business podcast you've been waiting for. If you would like to be a guest on ScaleUp Radio, please click here: https://bizsmarts.co.uk/scaleupradio/kevin You can get in touch with Kevin here: kevin@biz-smart.co.uk   G90 Summit Most founders I speak to feel busy but stuck; plenty happening, but not always clear on what genuinely matters most this quarter. If that's you, the G90 Summit is worth a look. A structured half-day where we work through everything competing for your attention, get clear on the three to five things that must happen in the next 90 days, then commit to them and build the system to make sure they actually happen. Quarterly, virtual, £97 a seat. http://Smart90.co.uk/summit   Sam can be found here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samanthaeaton1450/ Resources: Loving What Is by Byron Katie - https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/loving-what-is-four-questions-that-can-change-your-life-byron-katie/3753208?ean=9781846046971&next=t Alex Hormuz books - https://www.acquisition.com/books ChatGPT - https://chatgpt.com/ Claude - https://claude.ai/new

    56 min
  5. Episode #622: ScaleUp Shorts: The Founder Psychology Behind Better Decisions, Better Teams and Better Growth

    26 Jun

    Episode #622: ScaleUp Shorts: The Founder Psychology Behind Better Decisions, Better Teams and Better Growth

    This episode is created using AI What do a wine entrepreneur, a decision-science expert, and an occupational psychologist have in common? More than you might think. In this episode of ScaleUp Radio Shorts, Kevin Brent and Louise Blunt revisit three fascinating conversations with Jamie Smith of EcoSip, Dr Magda Du Preez of GetSense.net, and Tameron Chappell of athinka. Together, they uncover a common theme that sits at the heart of so many scaling challenges: founder psychology. From letting go of the superhero mindset to building decision-making guardrails and avoiding emotionally-driven mistakes, this episode explores the habits, behaviours and systems that allow founders to scale successfully without becoming the bottleneck. In This Episode Why founders must retire the superhero cape Tameron Chappell explains why no founder can continue doing everything as their business grows. Scaling requires self-awareness, delegation and recognising when someone else may be better suited to a role than you are. The dangers of hiring purely on experience A strong CV is not enough. Tameron shares why personality fit, team dynamics and behavioural understanding are often more important than technical expertise when building high-performing teams. Jamie Smith's journey from kitchen table startup to scaling manufacturer Jamie Smith shares how EcoSip evolved from hand-packing wine pouches at home to producing millions of units. Along the way, he learned the importance of bringing in specialist expertise and focusing on what he does best. How emotions distort business decisions Dr Magda Du Preez reveals how emotions influence decision-making in as little as eight milliseconds. Whether it's excitement, anger or sadness, every emotion creates predictable biases that can affect hiring, investment and growth decisions. Why excitement can be the most dangerous emotion for entrepreneurs While enthusiasm drives innovation, excessive excitement can lead to overconfidence, poor judgement and costly mistakes. Jamie's experience with handshake agreements and failed growth opportunities highlights the risks of making decisions without proper safeguards. Building decision-making guardrails Magda introduces the concept of decision rules. These simple, contextual guardrails help teams make decisions confidently while reducing the risk of emotional bias. Rather than constantly seeking founder approval, teams can move faster because they understand the boundaries. Practical tools to improve decision-making The discussion includes several practical frameworks founders can use immediately: The FIRE Method: Feel, Inspect, Respond, Don't React The 10-10-10 Framework: Consider consequences in 10 minutes, 10 months and 10 years Identifying whether a decision is reversible before acting Creating peer groups that challenge thinking and expose blind spots AI as a thinking partner, not a replacement Both Magda and Tameron discuss how AI can support founders as a thinking partner while warning against becoming overly dependent on automated outputs. The best leaders use AI to enhance their thinking rather than replace it. Key Takeaways Scaling requires founders to let go of the belief they must do everything themselves. Team fit matters as much as technical capability when hiring. Emotional biases influence business decisions more than most leaders realise. Decision rules create confidence, autonomy and consistency across teams. Peer groups provide critical external perspectives that reduce blind spots. AI is most valuable when it supports human judgement rather than replacing it. One Standout Message "Guardrails create freedom. When teams understand the boundaries, they can make better decisions without waiting for permission." The One Key Thing The founders who scale most successfully are not the ones who work harder or make faster decisions. They are the ones who build systems, guardrails and teams that allow good decisions to happen consistently without relying on themselves. About Smart90 Most founders I speak to feel busy but stuck; plenty happening, but not always clear on what genuinely matters most this quarter. If that's you, the G90 Summit is worth a look. A structured half-day where we work through everything competing for your attention, get clear on the three to five things that must happen in the next 90 days, then commit to them and build the system to make sure they actually happen. Quarterly, virtual, £97 a seat. Find out more at Smart90.co.uk/summit

    11 min
  6. Episode #621: How EcoSIP Reinvented Wine Packaging and Built a Defensible ScaleUp - with Jamie Smith

    24 Jun

    Episode #621: How EcoSIP Reinvented Wine Packaging and Built a Defensible ScaleUp - with Jamie Smith

    What happens when a pandemic destroys your original business model? For Jamie Smith and his co-founder Alex, it became the catalyst for creating an entirely new category within the wine industry. Starting as a wine retailer and tasting club, they quickly discovered that shipping glass bottles was expensive, inefficient and environmentally problematic. Rather than accept the challenge, they spent three years developing a proprietary wine pouch capable of preserving and ageing wine in a way that mimics a traditional glass bottle and cork. Today, EcoSIP works with major brands including Naked Wines and The Wine Society, providing innovative sustainable packaging solutions that reduce cost, waste and environmental impact while maintaining wine quality. In this episode, Jamie shares the journey from startup retailer to specialist co-packer, the realities of bootstrapping deep product innovation, and their ambitious plans to make sustainable wine packaging a global standard. In this episode: A pandemic pivot that changed everything When lockdown disrupted their newly launched wine retail business, Jamie and Alex quickly shifted towards direct-to-consumer wine tasting experiences. The challenge soon became obvious. Shipping wine in glass bottles was expensive, heavy and fragile, often costing more than customers expected and creating significant environmental impact. The solution started with a prototype made using hair straighteners and a cereal box. That simple idea ultimately evolved into EcoSIP's proprietary wine pouch technology. Solving a problem others couldn't The team identified a major issue with existing alternatives. Cans prevent oxygen transfer completely, affecting wine development. Traditional bag-in-box solutions allow too much oxygen exposure, impacting quality. EcoSIP set out to create packaging that behaves more like a glass bottle with a cork. After three years of research and development, multiple material generations and constant reinvestment of profits, they developed a pouch capable of replicating the oxygen transfer characteristics needed for wine ageing. Building a defensible business One of the most fascinating aspects of the conversation is how Jamie and the team built genuine barriers to entry. Their competitive advantage now includes: • Proprietary pouch design • Trademark protection • Patent-pending processes • Specialist filling and preservation methods • Deep operational expertise developed through years of experimentation The result is a packaging solution that many competitors would struggle to replicate. Quality control at scale Protecting wine quality remains central to EcoSIP's proposition. Their process includes: • HEPA-filtered clean room environments • Individual bottle quality checks before decanting • CO₂ blanketing to minimise oxidation • Nitrogen purging to reduce oxygen levels before filling • Carefully engineered packaging materials designed for long-term wine preservation These systems allow clients to maintain product quality while benefiting from a more sustainable delivery model. Growing through reputation Unlike many startups, EcoSIP has achieved growth primarily through referrals and word of mouth. Satisfied customers have become advocates, creating a strong pipeline without significant marketing investment. This organic growth has helped the business scale while remaining fully self-funded. Funding growth without losing focus The company has been built using: • Trading profits • R&D tax credits • A Bounce Back Loan Every available resource has been reinvested into developing the technology and refining the process. Now, with the product proven and commercial demand growing, the next step is investment in sales and marketing capability. The global vision Jamie's ambition extends far beyond UK wine packaging. The long-term vision is to establish packaging hubs close to wine production regions around the world. Instead of shipping heavy glass bottles internationally, wine could be packaged near source and distributed more sustainably. Eventually, EcoSIP aims to transition from co-packing to licensing its technology directly to wineries globally. The One Key Thing Innovation becomes far more valuable when it solves a genuine customer problem. EcoSIP's success didn't come from creating new technology for its own sake. It came from relentlessly solving the challenges of cost, sustainability and quality in wine distribution until they created something genuinely difficult to copy. Standout Quote "We spent three years reinvesting everything back into the product until we had a solution that genuinely worked." About EcoSIP EcoSIP provides innovative sustainable wine packaging solutions through its proprietary pouch technology, helping wine brands reduce costs, improve sustainability and deliver high-quality products to consumers in a more flexible format.   Scaling up your business isn't easy, and can be a little daunting. Let ScaleUp Radio make it a little easier for you. With guests who have been where you are now, and can offer their thoughts and advice on several aspects of business. ScaleUp Radio is the business podcast you've been waiting for. If you would like to be a guest on ScaleUp Radio, please click here: https://bizsmarts.co.uk/scaleupradio/kevin You can get in touch with Kevin here: kevin@biz-smart.co.uk   G90 Summit Most founders I speak to feel busy but stuck; plenty happening, but not always clear on what genuinely matters most this quarter. If that's you, the G90 Summit is worth a look. A structured half-day where we work through everything competing for your attention, get clear on the three to five things that must happen in the next 90 days, then commit to them and build the system to make sure they actually happen. Quarterly, virtual, £97 a seat. http://Smart90.co.uk/summit     Jamie can be found here: https://www.ecosip.co.uk/ https://onlinewinetasting.club/ jamie@onlinewinetasting.club   Resources: The Maker & The Merchant Podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/51mYMnpuCR9UKxydI1OgXT?si=c75509dfa1f14124

    59 min
  7. Episode #620: Mastering Better Decisions - with Magda Du Preez

    22 Jun

    Episode #620: Mastering Better Decisions - with Magda Du Preez

    How often do business owners make decisions they later regret? Whether it's hiring, investment, strategy, pricing or growth, most founders like to believe they make rational decisions. Yet the reality is that emotions influence almost every business decision we make. In this episode of ScaleUp Radio, Kevin Brent is joined by psychologist, researcher and entrepreneur Magda Du Preez, founder of GetSense.net. Following years of academic research into decision-making and cognitive bias, Magda has developed practical tools that help entrepreneurs and leaders make better decisions under pressure. The conversation explores why emotions are not the enemy of good decision-making, how confidence impacts business performance, and why creating clear decision rules can dramatically improve organisational effectiveness as businesses scale. In This Episode How one hiring decision nearly bankrupted a business Magda shares the story that sparked her research journey. A client faced intense investor pressure to make a senior hire quickly. The decision was driven more by emotion than evidence and almost resulted in the collapse of the business. That experience led Magda to investigate how emotions influence judgement and trigger cognitive biases, ultimately resulting in the creation of GetSense.net. Why emotions matter in business decisions Entrepreneurs rely on emotional energy to move quickly and seize opportunities. The challenge is not eliminating emotion but understanding how it affects thinking. Magda explains that when emotions go unchecked, they can distort judgement, increase bias and create blind spots. Learning to recognise and manage these emotional influences is a critical leadership skill. The FIRE framework for better decisions Magda introduces her practical four-step framework: F – Feel Recognise and acknowledge the emotion you are experiencing. I – Inspect Examine what is triggering the emotion and how it may be affecting your thinking. R – Respond Choose a deliberate response rather than reacting automatically. E – Evolve Learn from the experience and continually improve future decision-making. This process helps leaders create a pause between emotion and action, allowing better choices to emerge. The one key thing Appropriate confidence is the foundation of better decision-making. According to Magda, appropriate confidence is the ability to accurately distinguish between what you know and what you think you know. It acts as the gatekeeper to many other cognitive biases and can significantly influence business performance. Research highlighted in the discussion suggests that even modest improvements in appropriate confidence can correlate with substantial improvements in business growth. Four decision-making capabilities every founder should develop Magda identifies four critical areas: Appropriate Confidence Accurately assessing your own knowledge and certainty. Risk Appraisal Evaluating risk objectively rather than emotionally. Objectivity Seeing through framing effects and cognitive distortions. Decision Rules Creating clear guardrails that simplify and improve decisions. Decision rules: the scaling tool most leaders overlook One of the most practical discussions centres around decision rules. Unlike values, which remain relatively stable over time, decision rules are temporary and contextual. They create clarity around priorities and empower teams to make aligned decisions without constantly seeking approval. Examples include: No capital expenditure this quarter No hiring unless revenue targets are achieved Customer retention before customer acquisition Focus on recurring revenue opportunities only By creating clear decision rules, founders reduce decision bottlenecks and free themselves from becoming the centre of every choice. Practical tools you can use immediately Magda shares several simple but powerful techniques: The Reversibility Test Ask yourself: "Is this decision reversible?" If it is not, slow down and spend more time evaluating options. The 10-10-10 Method Consider the consequences: In 10 minutes In 10 months In 10 years This creates perspective and reduces emotional overreaction. Behavioural Circuit Breakers Create simple interruptions when emotions are running high: Take a sip of water Step outside the room Use visual reminders such as a FIRE note on your desk Small actions can create enough space for better thinking. AI as a thinking partner, not a replacement Magda also discusses the role of AI in decision-making. Rather than outsourcing thinking, leaders should use AI to challenge assumptions, surface blind spots and ask better questions. One particularly useful technique is asking AI to critique its own recommendations from the perspective of a recognised expert. This helps improve the quality of insights while keeping the human firmly in control of the final decision. Key Takeaways Emotions drive far more business decisions than most leaders realise. Appropriate confidence is a critical predictor of decision quality. Better decision-making can be learned and improved systematically. Decision rules help teams move faster while remaining aligned. AI works best as a thought partner rather than a decision-maker. Small behavioural interventions can dramatically improve judgement under pressure. About Magda Du Preez Magda Du Preez is a psychologist, researcher and entrepreneur. She is the founder of GetSense.net, a platform designed to help individuals and organisations improve decision-making through evidence-based frameworks, AI-assisted coaching and practical learning tools.   Scaling up your business isn't easy, and can be a little daunting. Let ScaleUp Radio make it a little easier for you. With guests who have been where you are now, and can offer their thoughts and advice on several aspects of business. ScaleUp Radio is the business podcast you've been waiting for. If you would like to be a guest on ScaleUp Radio, please click here: https://bizsmarts.co.uk/scaleupradio/kevin You can get in touch with Kevin here: kevin@biz-smart.co.uk   G90 Summit Most founders I speak to feel busy but stuck; plenty happening, but not always clear on what genuinely matters most this quarter. If that's you, the G90 Summit is worth a look. A structured half-day where we work through everything competing for your attention, get clear on the three to five things that must happen in the next 90 days, then commit to them and build the system to make sure they actually happen. Quarterly, virtual, £97 a seat. http://Smart90.co.uk/summit   Magda can be found here: https://getsense.net/contact - Don't forget to mention ScaleUp Radio to get a free trail! Resources: Noise by Daniel Kahneman - https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/noise-daniel-kahneman/1584645?ean=9780008309039&next=t Hammock Way of Life by Janet Tanguay - https://hammockwayoflife.com/store/

    56 min
  8. Episode #619: ScaleUp Radio Short - Building a Business Worth Selling

    17 Jun

    Episode #619: ScaleUp Radio Short - Building a Business Worth Selling

    Most business owners spend years building their company, yet very few spend any time building an exit strategy. In this month's ScaleUp Radio Shorts episode, Kevin Brent and Louise Blunt explore why exit planning isn't really about leaving your business. It's about creating a stronger, more valuable, and less owner-dependent company today. The reality is sobering. For many founders, their business is their most valuable asset after their home, yet the vast majority have no formal exit plan. Even fewer achieve the outcome they hoped for when they eventually sell. The good news? The same disciplines that increase business value are the very things that help you scale more effectively, improve profitability, and create greater freedom as an owner.   In This Episode Why Exit Planning Is Really a Growth Strategy An exit plan should not be something you create a few years before retirement. Instead, it should become a framework for building a stronger business today. The systems, processes, leadership capability and recurring revenues that make a company attractive to buyers are exactly the same things that make a business easier to run and scale. Understanding What Your Business Is Really Worth Many founders significantly overestimate the value of their business. Kevin and Louise discuss: Typical valuation methods for SME businesses Profit multiples and how they influence value The difference between EBITDA and Seller's Discretionary Earnings (SDE) Why two businesses with similar profits can command very different valuations The Eight Drivers of Business Value The Entrepreneurial ScaleUp System identifies eight key drivers that influence valuation, including: Financial Performance Growth Potential Recurring Revenue Customer Satisfaction Monopoly Control Switzerland Structure Hub and Spoke Transferability and independence from the founder Improving these areas can significantly increase both the value and attractiveness of your business. The Most Important Driver: Hub and Spoke One of the biggest value destroyers is founder dependency. If every key decision, relationship and process relies on the owner, the business becomes difficult to sell and difficult to scale. Kevin and Louise discuss how founders can: Document key processes Develop leadership capability Delegate responsibilities Build systems that reduce reliance on the owner The ultimate goal is to create a business that continues to thrive without you. Finding the Right Buyer The discussion also explores: Strategic buyers versus financial buyers Why existing customers, suppliers and competitors are often the most likely acquirers How strategic buyers can pay significant premiums Why businesses roughly ten times your size may represent ideal acquisition targets Creating a Practical Exit Plan Your exit strategy does not need to be complicated. A simple two or three-page document can cover: Personal objectives Current business valuation Investment story Target buyers Improvement priorities across the value drivers 12 to 24-month action plans   Key Standout Message "An exit plan is actually a growth plan in disguise." The actions that increase business value are the same actions that improve scalability, profitability and owner freedom.   The One Key Thing Build a business that can thrive without you. The biggest factor influencing both valuation and scalability is reducing founder dependency. The sooner you start transferring knowledge, developing leaders and creating systems, the more options you'll create for your future.   90-Day Action Challenge Block out 90 minutes and: Score your business against the eight value drivers. Identify your three weakest areas. Map potential future buyers. Create your investment story. Commit to three actions for the next 90 days.   Smart90 Feature Most founders I speak to feel busy but stuck; plenty happening, but not always clear on what genuinely matters most this quarter. If that's you, the G90 Summit is worth a look. A structured half-day where we work through everything competing for your attention, get clear on the three to five things that must happen in the next 90 days, then commit to them and build the system to make sure they actually happen. Quarterly, virtual, £97 a seat. Smart90.co.uk/summit   This episode was created using AI

    12 min

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Scaling up your business isn't easy, and can be a little daunting. Let ScaleUp Radio make it a little easier for you. With guests who have been where you are now, and can offer their thoughts and advice on several aspects of business. ScaleUp Radio is the business podcast you've been waiting for. If you would like to apply to be a guest, just click here: https://bizsmarts.co.uk/scaleupradio/apply Kevin's New Book Is Now Available! Drawing on BizSmart's own research and experiences of working with hundreds of owner-managers, Kevin Brent explores the key reasons why most organisations do not scale and how the challenges change as they reach different milestones on the ScaleUp Journey. He then details a practical step by step guide to successfully navigate between the milestones in the form of ESUS - a proven system for entrepreneurs to scale up. More on the Book HERE - https://www.esusgroup.co.uk/

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