Probation Behavior

Ally and Abby

Probation Behavior is a true crime podcast hosted by Ally and Abby, exploring cases that caused chaos and captured public attention. With empathy, curiosity, and just enough banter, we break down the story, the psychology, and the public reaction that kept people talking. At the center of every case are real people who should still be here today. We focus on who they were, who loved them, and the lives that were taken too soon. We’re always learning and welcome feedback on how to approach these stories with care and respect. ⏩https://linktr.ee/probationbehavior⏪

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    19 | Cora, Dawson, and Callan: The Lindsay Clancy Case So Far

    In this episode, Ally and Abby both cover the deaths of Cora, Dawson, and Callan Clancy, and the trial of their mother, Lindsay Clancy, as it stands this week. Cora was 5, Dawson was 3, and Callan was 8 months old when they died in their Duxbury, Massachusetts home on January 24, 2023. Lindsay, a labor and delivery nurse at Massachusetts General Hospital, has pleaded not guilty to three counts of first-degree murder. Her attorneys do not dispute that she killed her children. What they dispute is whether she was criminally responsible, and whether postpartum psychosis is the reason. Ally covers who this family was and the five months that came first: the postpartum collapse after Callan's birth, nine psychiatric medications from prescribers who were not sharing records, the crisis line calls that went nowhere, five days at McLean Hospital, and then January 24 minute by minute. Abby covers the charges, the trial as it stands this week, the prosecution's case against the defense's, and what postpartum psychosis actually is and isn't. We also get into the theories, controversial opinions, and misinformation circling the internet right now. Recorded Monday, August 10, 2026, with updates recorded Wednesday, August 12. The trial is ongoing. Before we get into the case, we discuss our new podcasting room, end-of-life planning in our late twenties, how uncomfortable death can be, how differently everyone grieves, and picking out the perfect outfit to be buried in. Story starts: 8:25 Resources: National Maternal Mental Health Hotline, call or text 1-833-943-5746. Postpartum Support International, 1-800-944-4773. 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline, call or text 988. Postpartum psychosis is a medical emergency. If someone you love seems off after having a baby, it is always okay to ask for help. We're so happy you're here. Follow along, share your thoughts, send us case suggestions, or submit a case request: Instagram: @probationbehavior Join our Patreon Email: probationbehavior@gmail.com Case request form: Submit a case request Sources: Plymouth County DA: Arraignment and ChargesBoston Globe: Timeline of January 24, 2023AP: Patrick Clancy TestifiesBoston Globe: Lindsay Clancy's Journal EntriesABC News: Psychiatrist Lacked Complete Medical RecordBoston 25 News: Live Trial CoverageLA Magazine: The Malpractice LawsuitAP: What to Know About Postpartum Psychosis

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    17 | Jerry Heimann: How Children Were Recruited to Kill Him

    In this episode, Abby covers the murder of Jerry Heimann, a retired Boeing employee who opened his home to help care for his elderly mother during the final chapter of his own life. What began as an act of trust turned into one of Washington state's most disturbing murder cases, involving a shocking plot that pulled several children into a crime that would change all of their lives forever. Before getting into the case, we recap the traumatic experience that happened just before recording when a lizard found its way into Ally's apartment, discuss the apparent diarrhea epidemic sweeping the nation, and add a few more of Ally's grandma sayings to Abby's growing list. At the end of the episode, we also talk about the infamous cases that dominated the 2000s, why the public often grouped them together, and discuss Casey Anthony and Amanda Knox—including the fact that Amanda Knox was ultimately exonerated and is innocent. Story starts: 8:05 We’re so happy you’re here. Follow along, share your thoughts, send us case suggestions, or submit a case request: Instagram: ⁠@probationbehavior⁠ ⁠Join our Patreon⁠ Email: ⁠probationbehavior@gmail.com⁠ Case request form: ⁠Submit a case request⁠ Sources: The Daily Herald (HeraldNet): A Kinder Picture of Killing Victim EmergesThe Daily Herald (HeraldNet): Witness Details Teen Plot to KillThe Daily Herald (HeraldNet): Teen Killer, 50 YearsThe Daily Herald (HeraldNet): Court Seals Heimann Murder PhotosThe Daily Herald (HeraldNet): A 2001 Killer, Then 13, Will Be Released From Prison EarlyThe Daily Herald (HeraldNet): Sentenced to 50 Years in Everett Slaying, He'll Get Out After 21Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Slain Man's Son Is First to Testify in Opel TrialSeattle Post-Intelligencer: Teen Says Opel, Daughter Egged On Group to KillSeattle Post-Intelligencer: "I Thought That if Jerry Got Beat Up Bad He Deserved It"Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Heather Opel, 14, Is Sentenced to 22 Years for Role in MurderSeattle Post-Intelligencer: Opel Gets Life in PrisonSeattle Post-Intelligencer: Opel Sentenced to Life After Heated ConfrontationSeattle Weekly: Little Girl LostBurl Barer: Mom Said Kill

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    15 | Derrick Johnson: The Voice That Wasn’t His

    In this episode, Ally covers the case of Derrick Johnson, a non-speaking man with cerebral palsy whose family believed a Rutgers professor might be helping him communicate in a new way. What began as hope that Derrick had been underestimated became a disturbing case involving facilitated communication, consent, disability, race, power, and the question of who was really speaking for Derrick. Before we get into the episode, we pose the question: if you could, would you want to hear how your boyfriend, girlfriend, or situationship talks about you when you’re not there? Of course we relate it back to Love Island because it is our current obsession. Then we discuss boy brains vs. girl brains when it comes to relationships. Story starts: 7:01 We’re so happy you’re here. Follow along, share your thoughts, send us case suggestions, or submit a case request: Instagram: ⁠@probationbehavior⁠ ⁠Join our Patreon⁠ Email: ⁠probationbehavior@gmail.com⁠ Case request form: ⁠Submit a case request⁠ If you or someone you know has experienced sexual assault, support is available through the National Sexual Assault Hotline at ⁠RAINN.org⁠ or by calling 800-656-HOPE. Sources: Netflix Tudum: Tell Them You Love MeTIME: The Chilling Story Behind the Documentary Tell Them You Love MePeople: Inside Anna Stubblefield’s Case Featured in Hit Netflix Documentary Tell Them You Love MeState v. Stubblefield: New Jersey Appellate OpinionAmerican Speech-Language-Hearing Association: Facilitated Communication Position StatementCDC: About Cerebral PalsyFacilitatedCommunication.org: Thoughts About Tell Them You Love Me, Anna Stubblefield, and FC/S2C/RPMBioethics Today: Tell Them You Love Me is Shamefully AbleistThe Guardian: Tell Them You Love Me Review

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    13 | Cherie Bishop and Donna Bell: Answers Without Justice

    In this episode, Ally covers the cases of Cherie Bishop and Donna Bell, two women from Brockton, Massachusetts whose cases began years apart but would later become connected through DNA. What starts with Cherie’s 1991 murder and Donna’s 1993 attack becomes a story about cold case evidence, forensic genealogy, and what it means when answers come decades too late. In the intro, we talk about how Abigail is not actually Abby’s real name, all things Love Island USA pre-Casa Amor, and weird allergies. Story starts: 11:04 We’re so happy you’re here. Follow along, share your thoughts, send us case suggestions, or submit a case request: Instagram: ⁠@probationbehavior⁠ ⁠Join our Patreon⁠ Email: ⁠probationbehavior@gmail.com⁠ Case request form: ⁠Submit a case request⁠ Sources: WCVB Channel 5 Boston: DNA helped link, solve Brockton murder, rape cases from 1990sBoston 25 News: Decades later, ancestry DNA sites play role in solving 1991 murder, 1993 rape cases in BrocktonCBS News Boston: Families find relief after DNA testing helps solve 2 Brockton cold cases over 30 years oldNBC Boston: DNA tracks down killer, rapist in 2 Brockton cold cases, DA saysOthram / DNASolves: After 32 Years, Donna Bell’s 1993 Assault is SolvedForensic Magazine: DNA Ties Deceased Suspect to 2 Cold Case Rapes, MurderMassachusetts State Police News: Suspect Revealed Through DNA Breakthrough in 1991 Homicide and 1993 Sexual AssaultNational Center for Missing & Exploited Children: Jennifer Lynn FayThe Boston Globe / Newspapers.com, June 26, 1991: “Brockton woman is found dead”North Adams Transcript, June 26, 1991: “Woman’s body found near playground”

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    12 | Roberta Walls: The Library, the Field, and the DNA That Waited

    In May 1986, 22-year-old Roberta Walls was found murdered in a field behind Old Donation Elementary School in Virginia Beach, Virginia. She had last been seen the night before at the Bayside Public Library, just across the street from where her body would later be discovered. Her case stayed unsolved for nearly 40 years. This week, we walk through who Roberta was, the night she disappeared, the discovery near the school and library, the early investigation, the long silence in her case, and the DNA breakthrough that led investigators to a man in Connecticut decades later. This is a case about a young woman whose life was stolen, a family that waited almost 40 years for answers, and the way forensic genealogy is changing what is possible in cold case investigations. Before the case starts, we spend the first 20 minutes talking about Euphoria, including the series as a whole, season 3 specifically, and (spoilers!) the series finale. Story starts: 22:41 We’re so happy you’re here. Follow along, share your thoughts, send us case suggestions, or submit a case request: Instagram: ⁠@probationbehavior⁠ ⁠Join our Patreon⁠ Email: ⁠probationbehavior@gmail.com⁠ Case request form: ⁠Submit a case request⁠ Sources: Virginia Beach Police Department / Virginia Attorney General: Cold Case ReleaseVirginia State Police Cold Case Database: Roberta WallsVirginia State Police Cold Case Database: Main SiteABC News / Good Morning AmericaConnecticut Insider: Arrest CoverageConnecticut Insider: Additional CoverageConnecticut Insider: Forensic Genealogy DetailsWYDaily: 2017 DNA Composite Sketches ReleasedReddit Discussion: Arrest Made in Murder of Roberta WallsFBI: CODIS and NDIS Fact SheetDepartment of Justice: Sexual Assault Kit InitiativeAncestry: Law Enforcement InformationFamilyTreeDNA: Law Enforcement and Investigative Genetic GenealogyNational Institute of Justice: What Is Investigative Genetic Genealogy?

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Probation Behavior is a true crime podcast hosted by Ally and Abby, exploring cases that caused chaos and captured public attention. With empathy, curiosity, and just enough banter, we break down the story, the psychology, and the public reaction that kept people talking. At the center of every case are real people who should still be here today. We focus on who they were, who loved them, and the lives that were taken too soon. We’re always learning and welcome feedback on how to approach these stories with care and respect. ⏩https://linktr.ee/probationbehavior⏪

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