Recruiting Conversations

Richard Milligan, Recruiting Coach
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Welcome to the Recruiting Conversations Podcast, a conversation designed to help Recruiting Leaders who manage a team as well as recruit. Richard Milligan is a speaker, author, strategist, and recruiting coach who built 21 teams as a Recruiting Leader.

  1. 1 DAY AGO

    Stay Curious, Stay Ahead: How to Lead With Innovation in a Market That Never Stops Moving

    The market is shifting. Again. Technology's evolving, buyer behavior is different, and if you're leading the same way you were even two years ago, you're likely behind. Innovation isn't optional anymore. It's the job. In this episode of Recruiting Conversations, I'll break down what innovation actually looks like for a recruiting leader, and how to make it part of your weekly rhythm, not just an abstract idea. Episode Breakdown [00:00] Introduction – The market will keep changing. Your job is to stay relevant in how you lead, recruit, and build [01:00] Innovation Isn't About Being Trendy – It's about staying adaptable and asking better questions [01:30] The Best Leaders Are Curious – They're learners, observers, and pattern spotters. They don't assume what worked last year will work this year [02:00] 5 Ways to Stay Innovative Stay Close to the Pain – Talk to your team, your recruits, your producers. Innovation starts where the friction is Don't Protect Outdated Systems – What got you here won't get you there. Reevaluate your systems, your onboarding, your follow-up Use Vision as Your Filter – Know what you're building. Let it guide what you change and what you keep Learn Out Loud – Share what you're learning with your team. When they see you growing, they feel safe to do the same Build a Rhythm for Experimentation – Innovation shouldn't be spontaneous. It should be structured. Run small tests. Audit your process. Pilot something new [04:00] Real-World Example – A leader struggling with social content ran one small test: short-form video with a tight script. It worked. Now it's a core part of their recruiting system [05:00] Final Word – Innovation doesn't mean reinvention. It means curiosity, clarity, and courage to adapt Key Takeaways Innovation Is a Discipline, Not a Spark – The best leaders block time to audit, reflect, and experiment Curiosity Beats Control – You don't have to know everything. You just have to be open and responsive Vision Helps You Say No – When you know where you're going, you can say no to trends that don't serve the mission You Win With Small Experiments, Not Big Overhauls – Pilot something. Measure it. Refine it. That's the rhythm The Market Is Always Changing, And That's Your Edge – Most leaders resist change. Great leaders adapt to it The future will keep evolving. The question is: will you evolve with it? The leaders who stay curious, stay close to the pain, and stay grounded in vision are the ones who will win 2026.

    6 min

  2. 3 FEB

    Make It Matter: How to Communicate Non-Financial Value in a Way That Attracts and Converts

    Comp plans are easy to talk about. Culture, leadership, growth? Not so much. And yet, it's the non-financial value that actually moves the needle when it comes to attracting aligned, long-term hires. In this episode of Recruiting Conversations, I give you a clear, five-part framework to define, communicate, and personalize your non-financial value, so you can win recruits who care about more than just the paycheck. Episode Breakdown [00:00] Setup – Why this question matters more than ever: "How do we communicate non-financial value effectively?" [01:00] Step 1: Define What Sets You Apart – You can't communicate what you haven't clearly named Leadership style Support and growth systems Culture behaviors Flexibility, autonomy, mentorship, development   [02:00] Step 2: Get Specific – Vague phrases like "we care about our people" don't land. Say what support actually looks like 30/60/90 onboarding? Weekly 1-on-1s? Leadership development tracks?   [03:00] Step 3: Lead With It Early – Don't wait for someone to ask about comp before you start talking about culture "Most of the people who join our team do it because of how we lead and help people grow"   [04:00] Step 4: Use Storytelling to Bring It to Life Tell the story of a team member who overcame something with your support Share how someone grew into a leadership role Let the recruit feel what it's like to be on your team   [05:00] Step 5: Personalize the Conversation – Ask questions like: What's missing in your current environment? What kind of leader brings out your best? Then connect what you offer directly to what they care about   [06:00] Bonus Step: Show, Don't Just Tell Invite recruits to team meetings Share a behind-the-scenes video Let them talk to a current team member Create a simple tour of your onboarding process   Key Takeaways Vague Language Doesn't Attract Top Talent – Define your values, support systems, and culture in specific, shareable language Recruits Don't Buy Features. They Buy Feelings – Use story to make the value real and relatable Don't Wait for the Comp Question to Show Value – Lead with your differentiators Personalization Wins Trust – Listen first, then highlight what matters to them Experience Builds Belief – Let them see and feel your culture before they say yes Your team's culture and leadership style may be the best-kept secret in your recruiting strategy. Let's change that. Lead with the value that actually keeps people, and you'll attract the right ones every time.

    7 min

  3. 27 JAN

    Culture Carriers: How to Recruit Leaders Who Multiply What You've Built

    You've worked hard to build a strong culture. But now you're growing, and the real challenge begins: How do you protect what you've built while expanding across markets, teams, or time zones? In this episode of Recruiting Conversations, I share the strategy for attracting and evaluating leaders who don't just fit your culture… they scale it. If you're recruiting high performers, future regionals, or anyone who will lead others, this is the playbook you need. Episode Breakdown [00:00] Intro – What happens when one leadership hire changes everything? Why protecting culture during growth is mission-critical [01:00] Culture Is Behavior, Not Perks – It's not happy hours or branding, it's how people show up, lead, solve problems, and handle pressure [02:00] You're Not Hiring People. You're Scaling Behavior – That means recruiting needs to go beyond numbers and resumes [02:30] The Big Mistake Most Leaders Make – They focus on what someone has done, not how they did it [03:00] Step 1: Define Your Culture Clearly – Vague language can't be scaled. What do you value, protect, reward, and not tolerate? [03:30] Step 2: Ask Culture-Based Questions How do you handle behavior issues? What kind of leadership brings out your best? How do you navigate conflict and accountability? What do you do with someone producing well but behaving poorly? [04:00] Step 3: Watch How They Talk About Their Past Teams – Look for humility, ownership, and values-driven language [04:30] Step 4: Attract the Right People With Vision – High-level leaders don't move for perks or comp, they move for alignment and purpose [05:00] Step 5: Show What Growth Looks Like on Your Team – Not just volume growth, but people growth. Development. Mentorship. Room to lead [05:30] Step 6: Remember You Only Need a Few – You don't need dozens. Just a handful of aligned leaders who carry vision and culture wherever they go [06:00] Final Recap Get clear on your culture in words and actions Go deeper in your questions to uncover alignment Make your brand and conversations reflect your values and vision Key Takeaways Culture Is Scaled Through People, Not Posters – You need leaders who live what you believe Values Are More Important Than Volume – Great numbers with the wrong behavior will erode everything you've built Vague Culture Can't Be Recruited For – Define it. Speak it. Use it as a filter Ask Better Questions Early – Don't just vet performance. Vet alignment Vision Attracts Culture Carriers – When your brand communicates purpose and growth, the right people show up If you want to scale what you've built, start recruiting people who already carry it.

    6 min

  4. 20 JAN

    The Math-to-Momentum Playbook: Turn Growth Goals Into a Recruiting System That Scales

    Every year, leaders set big goals. Grow the team. Double production. Scale. But without structure, those goals fade by February. In this episode of Recruiting Conversations, I walk you through the exact system I teach leaders across real estate, mortgage, insurance, and agency sales, a system that turns your production target into a tangible, trackable recruiting rhythm. This is how you make growth inevitable. Episode Breakdown [00:00] Why Most Growth Plans Fail – Leaders set production goals with no math, no cadence, and no plan to execute [00:45] What the Math-to-Momentum Playbook Solves – Clarity, cadence, and a calendar-based system for recruiting [01:30] Step 1: Set a Real, Measurable Production Target for 2026 – Units, volume, revenue, just make it real [01:50] Step 2: Estimate Your Organic Growth – Most healthy teams grow 8–10% organically. Anything more needs new hires [02:20] Step 3: Define the Recruiting Gap – What portion of your 2026 goal requires new producers? [02:40] Step 4: Break It Down by Avatar – How many LOs do you need to hit that number? What do your ideal recruits produce per month? [03:00] Step 5: Build a Quarterly Hiring Cadence – Think in sprints. What hires do you need in Q1 to hit your target by Q4? [03:30] Step 6: Match Your Outreach Rhythm to Your Hiring Cadence 10–12 recruiting convos per week Use your channels: calls, DMs, video, text, voice notes Block it on your calendar [04:00] Step 7: Scorecard It Weekly – Conversations, follow-ups, second meetings, offers, hires [04:30] The Shift This Creates – You stop saying "I want to grow" and start saying "I need 4 LOs at X volume, with one in Q1" [05:00] Recruiting Stops Feeling Random – You're no longer guessing. You're leading from a system [05:30] Final Word – If you're tired of setting the same goals year after year without traction, this is how you fix it Key Takeaways Vision Alone Isn't Enough – Your growth goals need math, momentum, and a measurable plan Organic Growth Has a Ceiling – If you want to break through, recruiting must become your growth engine Reverse Engineer From the Outcome – Start with your production goal, then back into how many hires and conversations you need Track Weekly, Not Monthly – Momentum is lost when you wait too long to adjust You're Not Just Recruiting. You're Running a System – When your calendar reflects your goal, traction follows The leaders who win in 2026 won't be the loudest. They'll be the most structured. They'll know their numbers, block their time, and recruit with clarity.

    5 min

  5. 13 JAN

    How Do I Compete Against Another Leader's Reputation or Brand

    Every leader hits this moment. You're in a great conversation with a recruit, and then they say it: "I'm also talking to another leader… someone with a big name." If you've ever felt like you were up against someone else's brand, you're not alone, and you're not powerless. In this episode of Recruiting Conversations, I walk you through how to stop playing defense and start leading with the one thing no other brand can replicate: your unique value. Episode Breakdown [00:00] Introduction – When you're up against a leader with more visibility, more experience, or a stronger reputation [01:00] Don't Let Comparison Kill Your Confidence – Your value isn't in your resume or following, it's in how you lead and what you believe [01:45] Branding Creates Awareness. Alignment Creates Movement – Just because someone is well known doesn't mean they're the right fit [02:30] You Don't Need to Be the Loudest. You Need to Be the Clearest – Recruits follow leaders who know where they're going [03:00] Start With Your Leadership DNA – What makes you different? How do people grow under your leadership? What do you care deeply about? [04:00] Brand Is the Public Expression of Your Private Values – When your content, conversations, and follow-up reflect the real you, you create trust [04:30] Ask a Better Question – Instead of "How do I compete?" ask "What kind of leader am I uniquely qualified to be, and how can I make that visible?" [05:00] Show Up With Integrity, Not Imitation – Tell your story, share your team culture, and let your vision be seen [06:00] Recruits Aren't Comparing Jobs. They're Comparing Futures – Paint a clear picture of where you're going and why it matters [06:45] Your Brand Isn't Flashy. It's Familiar – When the version of you people see online matches who they meet in real life, trust multiplies [07:10] Final Word – You don't need to chase someone else's reputation. Build your leadership presence. That's what truly attracts the right people Key Takeaways Your Leadership Style Is the Asset – Own it, articulate it, and build your brand around it You Don't Need More Volume. You Need More Clarity – Recruits follow leaders who know who they are and where they're going Brand Integrity > Brand Visibility – What builds trust is consistency between your message and your actions You Can't Fake Alignment – The right people will be drawn to your real voice, not someone else's strategy Stop Trying to Win by Comparison. Win Through Conviction – A clear, consistent brand that reflects who you are will outperform reputation alone In a crowded market, the loudest leader doesn't win. The clearest one does. Stop trying to compete with someone else's voice, start amplifying your own.

    8 min

  6. 6 JAN

    Lead With Value That Stops People in Their Tracks

    "Extravagant value" might sound over the top, but in recruiting, it's the secret to cutting through noise, skepticism, and shallow outreach. In this episode of Recruiting Conversations, I unpack what extravagant value really means, why it works, and how to build it into your recruiting system. Because if you want to win top-tier talent, your follow-up can't feel average. It has to feel unforgettable. Episode Breakdown [00:00] Introduction – Why "some value" isn't enough anymore [01:00] What Extravagant Value Really Means – It's not flashy or manipulative. It's thoughtful, personal, and intentional [01:30] The Litmus Test – If your value costs you time, attention, or creativity, it's probably extravagant [02:00] Real Examples – Sharing a custom content resource Sending a podcast that solves a problem Following up with a personal video or handwritten note   [03:00] The Power of Being Rare – In a transactional world, generosity and personalization feel extravagant [03:30] What It's NOT – Gimmicks, bribes, or manipulative "gifts" don't build trust, they destroy it [04:00] Operationalizing It – Build a "value vault" of tools, templates, and resources to share at scale [04:30] Automate the Follow-Up – Use your CRM to document personal details and create reminders to deliver value [05:00] Final Challenge – Look at your last five recruiting convos: Did you surprise them? Did you serve them? If not, start now Key Takeaways Value That Feels Personal Will Always Win – Recruits want to be seen, not sold to Extravagant Doesn't Mean Expensive – It means thoughtful, relevant, and intentional Surprise Builds Belief – Small, unexpected moments create massive differentiation Systemize the Generosity – Build tools and rhythms that make high-value touches repeatable You Don't Need More Pitches. You Need More Contrast – When people feel served instead of sold, recruiting shifts from pressure to pull Top talent won't remember your comp plan. But they will remember how you made them feel. Make that moment extravagant.

    6 min

  7. 30/12/2025

    Make It Real: How to Turn Your Vision Into a Tangible Recruiting Roadmap for 2026

    We're just days away from a brand new year, and there's one leadership skill that will define your momentum in 2026: turning vision into structure. In this episode of Recruiting Conversations, I walk you through how to go beyond inspiring language and build a vision your team and your recruits can actually believe in. If you've ever felt like your vision gets lost or fades after January, this will show you how to make it stick; with structure, ownership, and real action steps. Episode Breakdown [00:00] Welcome & Setup – It's almost New Year's Eve, which means you're probably reflecting on what you built and casting vision for what's next [01:00] Why Most Vision Fades – Leaders share big ideas in December, but they don't connect it to structure, behavior, or execution [02:00] Step 1: Define the Destination – What would be true by the end of 2026 if your vision came to life? Culture, structure, experience, leadership [02:45] Step 2: Break It Into Pillars – Group your goals into clear themes: leadership development, recruiting, systems, team structure, brand, etc. [03:00] Step 3: Start Small and Assign Ownership – What's one thing you can move forward in January? Assign a name and a timeline [03:45] Step 4: Communicate Often – The biggest mistake is thinking people will remember your vision after hearing it once. Repetition builds belief [04:30] Step 5: Connect Systems to Your Story – Don't just post wins or numbers. Let your systems and your social content reflect where you're going [05:00] Final Challenge – Do this before midnight on New Year's Eve: Write down your 2026 vision Name 3 pillars that support it Identify 1 action step for the first week of January [05:30] The Real Goal – Your vision doesn't need to be perfect. It needs to be anchored in what matters to you and repeated with consistency [06:00] Wrap-Up – When your team knows where you're going and how you're getting there, recruiting becomes magnetic. Happy New Year Key Takeaways Vision Without Structure Fades – Most leaders talk about the future but don't build a roadmap to get there Start With the End in Mind – Get crystal clear on what success actually looks like 12 months from now Use Pillars to Organize the Chaos – Categorizing your goals helps you make progress in focused areas Assign Ownership and Set Timelines – Even the smallest next step brings your vision to life Repetition Builds Belief – Say your vision often enough that your team starts to echo it back to you This isn't about perfection. It's about clarity, consistency, and commitment. When your vision becomes a roadmap, people don't just hear it. They believe it. And when they believe it, they follow you into 2026 with trust.

    6 min

  8. 23/12/2025

    Cast the Vision, Keep the Trust: Leading Boldly Without Overpromising

    It's Christmas week, and the perfect time to reflect on your future as a leader. In this episode of Recruiting Conversations, I'm answering one of the biggest questions I've been hearing to close out the year: How do I cast a bold, inspiring vision for 2026 without overcommitting or losing trust when I can't deliver it all at once? If you've ever wrestled with that tension, this episode will help you lead with both clarity and confidence. I walk you through how to cast a magnetic vision and pair it with grounded execution, so people believe in both your future and your follow-through. Episode Breakdown [00:00] Merry Christmas & Setup – A holiday message and the big question: how do I balance big vision with realistic execution [01:00] The Tension Every Leader Feels – You're dreaming big for 2026, but also wearing 5 hats and carrying the weight of everything you already do [01:30] Vision and Execution Are Not Opposites – You can lead both, if you hold them in tension with transparency [02:00] Vision Should Stretch You – If your "vision" only covers the next 30 days, it's not vision. It's a task list [02:45] Execution Builds Trust – Your actions must reinforce your words. Belief comes from consistency, not hype [03:10] Real-World Example – Casting a boutique leadership vision even when you're just starting solo, and grounding it with small Q1 steps [03:45] Avoid the Extremes – Some cast vision with no follow-through. Others get stuck in the day-to-day and stop casting vision entirely [04:30] What Great Leaders Will Do in 2026 – Inspire people with clarity, then walk them there step by step [05:00] Brand and Content Must Reflect the Balance – Be honest about where you're going and what you're doing now [05:15] Your Vision Will Evolve – That doesn't mean you were wrong. It means you're leading in real time [05:40] Final Challenge for Year-End Write your 2026 vision (team, culture, impact) Identify 2–3 steps you'll take in January Decide how to communicate that to your current team and future recruits Key Takeaways You Don't Have to Choose Between Big Vision and Real Execution – You just need to lead both with clarity and consistency Vision Without Steps Creates Skepticism. Steps Without Vision Create Stagnation – You need both to build belief Let People See the Journey – Share the North Star, but also the next two steps toward it Your Leadership Brand Should Reflect Both Your Belief and Your Process – That's how trust compounds It's Okay if Your Vision Evolves – Stay rooted in your values, and you'll always find alignment People don't need you to be perfect. They need you to be honest, bold, and grounded. Cast the vision. Show your work. Invite others to build it with you. Want help crafting a vision-based recruiting strategy that attracts and builds trust? Subscribe to my weekly email at 4crecruiting.com or book a call at bookrichardnow.com. Merry Christmas, and here's to a 2026 worth building.

    6 min
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Welcome to the Recruiting Conversations Podcast, a conversation designed to help Recruiting Leaders who manage a team as well as recruit. Richard Milligan is a speaker, author, strategist, and recruiting coach who built 21 teams as a Recruiting Leader.

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  • Creator
    Richard Milligan, Recruiting Coach
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    100
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 4C Recruiting 2019
  • Show Website
    Recruiting Conversations