The B2B Playbook

Kevin Chen & George Coudounaris
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Selling Business to Business? Trying to do everything, but not sure if any of it works? We’re here to help! We're Kevin and George - digital marketing professionals who are here to share with you the RIGHT plan so you can get your amazing business growing online. We’ve waded through the noise, made the mistakes, and found what works so you don't have to. We also share tips, tricks and templates from our upcoming playbook and insights from successful people in the industry. If you’re in a B2B business and like to see your marketing work for you, then this is the podcast for you! Subscribe to get the latest from the B2B Playbook first. Join our CLUB of B2B owners and marketers on LinkedIn sharing their experiences https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13980317/ Want more? Check out our weekly articles on https://theb2bplaybook.com/ Remember, with the right plan, anyone can grow their business online!

  1. 2 DAYS AGO

    #225: Account Based Marketing (ABM) - When Is It The Right Option in B2B, And How To Do It?

    Is Account-Based Marketing Worth It? (Most Teams Get This Wrong) Most B2B teams jump into ABM without asking the one question that actually matters: should you even be doing it? In this episode, we break down what account-based marketing really is, where it fits in your go-to-market strategy, and why most ABM efforts fail before they even start. We go beyond theory and show you the practical decisions you need to make, including how to define your target list, why deal size changes everything, and why “cataloguing the market” is the missing piece most teams ignore. Tune in and learn: When ABM actually works (and when it doesn’t) Why most teams waste money targeting the wrong accounts How to use cataloguing to stop guessing and start closing If you’re a B2B marketer trying to drive real pipeline, not just activity, this is a must-watch. SUBSCRIBE to our channel: https://www.youtube.com/@theb2bplaybook SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter/ GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/ 00:00 Why Everyone Is Talking About ABM (But Few Get It Right) 00:35 The Big Question: Should You Even Do ABM? 01:10 Why Most B2B Marketing Still Feels Like “Spray and Pray” 01:30 The Hidden Truth: ABM = Disciplined Go-To-Market 02:00 Why Weak Targeting Kills Your Positioning 02:30 When ABM Actually Makes Sense (And When It Doesn’t) 03:00 What ABM Really Is (And What It Isn’t) 04:00 The 3 Decisions You Must Make Before Doing ABM 05:00 Step 1: Define Your Objective 06:00 Why Most Teams Skip Proper Target Lists 07:00 The ICP Trap 08:00 When Your TAM Is Too Small for Paid Ads 09:00 The Real ABM Filter: Deal Size 10:00 Why ABM Fails for Low-Value Products 11:00 Step 2: The Missing Piece – Cataloguing 12:00 Why Marketing Can’t Guess Who’s In-Market 13:00 The 95/5 Reality 14:00 The Contract Problem That Kills Deals 15:00 Real Example: Why Campaigns Fail 16:00 How Cataloguing Changes Everything 17:00 Why Your TAM Might Be Wrong 18:00 Step 3: Not Everything Should Be ABM 19:00 Running ABM + Broad Marketing Together 20:00 Enterprise vs SME 21:00 Why Over-Personalised Ads Don’t Work 22:00 What Actually Works: Real Conversations 23:00 The Problem With AI Personalisation 24:00 Why Buyers Don’t Share Pain Publicly 25:00 The Final Answer: Is ABM Worth It? 26:00 The 3 Rules for Deciding 27:00 Final Takeaways 👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team? 💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you)? Get the: 🔹 strategy 🔹 templates 🔹 tools So you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand. See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B Incubator Check out: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course S08 E2255 - The B2B Playbook #b2b #b2bmarketing #digitalmarketing #demandgeneration #accountbasedmarketing

    31 min

  2. 1 APR

    #224: Adding $2mill revenue with LinkedIn Ads (step-by-step how-to)

    Most B2B marketers run LinkedIn ads… but never turn them into real pipeline. In this video, I break down the exact LinkedIn Ads strategy we used to help a B2B agency client go from zero to $185k a month in just 22 months. 💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency I cover ICP targeting, Thought Leadership Ads, scaling beyond the founder's personal brand, and the feedback loops that keep the whole thing growing. If you are a B2B founder or marketer trying to figure out how to use LinkedIn Ads to stay top of mind with the right buyers and actually turn that into booked calls and revenue, this video is for you. ----------------------------------------------------- 🔗 Links + CTAs ----------------------------------------------------- 💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency 🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course 🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school ----------------------------------------------------- SUBSCRIBE to our channel: https://www.youtube.com/@theb2bplaybook SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/ ----------------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 How LinkedIn Ads Helped Scale to $185K/Month 01:30 Step 1: Get Brutally Clear on Your ICP 04:00 Step 2: Using Thought Leadership Ads to Grow 09:30 Step 3: Scaling Beyond the Founder Brand 12:00 Step 4: Optimisation & Feedback Loops 14:10 Step 5: Most Buyers Aren’t Ready Yet ----------------------------------------------------- S08 E224 - The B2B Playbook #b2bmarketing #demandgeneration #linkedinads #linkedinthoughtleadership #linkedinadsagency

    19 min

  3. 22 MAR

    #223: ChatGPT Ads for B2B Marketing - Will They Work For Your Business?

    In this video, we break down what OpenAI's new ChatGPT ads mean for B2B marketers, and why it's probably not the performance channel you should be betting on in 2026. We cover: → The background behind OpenAI's push into advertising and why they're starting with B2C → Why ChatGPT ads are unlikely to impact B2B marketing anytime soon (ad-free business/enterprise tiers, limited tracking, shopping-focused formats) → How buyer discovery is shifting from search + social toward AI assistants → Our 3-point framework (based on the Five B's) to prepare your B2B marketing for the age of LLMs If you are a B2B founder or marketer wondering whether you should be spending on ChatGPT ads, or trying to figure out how to get your brand surfaced in AI-driven search results, this episode is for you. Tune in and learn: ✅ Why the fundamentals of trust-building and demand gen matter more than ever ✅ How to tighten your ICP messaging so LLMs actually surface your brand ✅ The content and distribution strategies that build organic visibility in ChatGPT ✅ How to set up measurement and UTM practices now so you're ready when B2B ads do arrive ----------------------------------------------------- 🔗 Links + CTAs ----------------------------------------------------- 🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course 🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school 💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency ----------------------------------------------------- SUBSCRIBE to our channel: https://www.youtube.com/@theb2bplaybook SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/ ----------------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:40 - What's happening with ChatGPT ads 03:54 - Does AI make the Five B's Framework obsolete? 07:06 - Why ChatGPT ads won't help B2B marketers yet 13:49 - B2C vs B2B: Why OpenAI is targeting consumers first 15:49 - The Five B's still stand the test of time 16:00 - 3-point framework to prepare for ChatGPT ads 16:08 - Step 1: Be Ready - tighten your ICP and messaging 19:27 - Why LLM context makes ICP clarity even more critical 20:42 - Step 2: Be Helpful - build trust with content at scale 23:46 - Growth is about people, not platforms 24:31 - Step 3: Be Seen - measurement, distribution, and experimentation 27:41 - Practical action points and repurposing strategy 30:00 - Key takeaways and recap 31:17 - Outro S08 E222 - The B2B Playbook #chatgpt #b2bmarketing #chatgptads

    32 min

  4. 8 MAR

    #222: How This Startup Beat Big Brands - B2B2C Marketing Strategy - Alex Bedwani from PetsOnMe

    If you're competing against companies with massive marketing budgets, paid ads alone won’t win. In this episode of The B2B Playbook, we sit down with Alex Bedwani, founder of PetsOnMe, to unpack how he built growth using a B2B2C marketing strategy instead of competing head-to-head in B2C channels. In industries like insurance, the biggest brands dominate paid channels. They can outspend you on ads, outbid you on keywords, and convert better because people already trust them. So Alex took a different path. Instead of competing directly, he built partnerships with associations and corporations to distribute pet insurance to their employees and members. We break down exactly how the B2B2C strategy works, how to land partnerships, and how to activate them so they actually generate revenue. Tune in and learn: + Why competing head-on in B2C markets is often a losing game + How to use partnerships as a distribution channel + The activation tactics that turn partnerships into real revenue If you're a founder or marketer trying to grow in a competitive category, this episode will change how you think about distribution. ----------------------------------------------------- 🔗 Links + CTAs ----------------------------------------------------- 🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course 🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school 💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency ----------------------------------------------------- SUBSCRIBE to our channel: / @theb2bplaybook SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/ ----------------------------------------------------- 00:00 Why Small Brands Lose in Paid Acquisition 00:35 Competing Against Big Insurance Brands 02:00 Why Alex Started PetsOnMe 03:30 The Hidden Monopoly in Pet Insurance 05:30 Why B2C Marketing Was Impossible to Win 07:00 The Real Cost Advantage Big Brands Have 09:00 The Pivot: Discovering the B2B2C Marketing Strategy 10:00 What B2B2C Looks Like in Practice 12:50 Turning Pet Insurance Into an Employee Benefit 15:00 Finding the Right Corporate Partners 17:00 Why Signing the Partnership Is Only 10% of the Work 19:00 The Key to Getting HR Managers Interested 20:50 The Fitness First Example of B2B2C Growth 22:00 How to Stay Top of Mind With Corporate Partners 24:00 The 3-Way Win That Makes B2B2C Work 26:00 The Due Diligence Corporates Will Do On You 28:00 Activating Members After the Partnership Is Signed 29:00 Creative Activation: The Cutest Dog Competition 31:00 Why Data Is Harder in B2B2C Partnerships 33:00 Using Events and Talks to Drive Signups 35:00 Why Face-to-Face Still Converts Best 36:30 Personalised Marketing That Converts 39:00 Managing 70+ Partnerships Without Chaos 40:00 When to Kill a Partnership Quickly 42:00 The Most Important Rule in B2B2C Partnerships ----------------------------------------------------- 👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team?? 💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you??) Get the: 🔹 strategy 🔹 templates 🔹 tools So you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand. See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B Incubator Check out: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course S08 E222 - The B2B Playbook #b2b #b2bmarketing #digitalmarketing #demandgeneration #b2b2c #partnerships

    48 min

  5. 2 MAR

    #221: How to Measure Brand Marketing in B2B (Without Guessing) - Matt Maynard from Asana

    If you’ve ever struggled to defend brand budget in a performance-obsessed company — this episode is for you. We sat down with Matt Maynard, VP of Brand Advertising & Comms at Asana, to break down how brand actually drives growth — and how to measure it properly inside a B2B business. This isn’t theory. It’s a practical framework for small teams trying to prove brand works. We unpack: - Why brand keeps losing to performance - Why “consideration” is usually measured wrong - How to use Category Entry Points (CEPs) - The 95:5 rule explained simply - And how to measure mental availability without a massive budget Tune in and learn: - Why growth is driven by memory, not persuasion - The 3 brand metrics every B2B team should track - How to turn brand into a performance engine If you’re in a B2B team trying to punch above your weight, this is mandatory viewing. ----------------------------------------------------- 🔗 Links + CTAs ----------------------------------------------------- 🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course 🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school 💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency ----------------------------------------------------- SUBSCRIBE to our channel: / @theb2bplaybook SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/ ----------------------------------------------------- 00:00 Why Brand Keeps Losing Budget in B2B 02:10 Brand vs Performance: Vibes vs System 04:00 Why Finance Doesn’t Fund “Brand” 07:10 The Science Behind How Brands Actually Grow 10:00 Brand = Memory (Not Campaigns) 12:30 Why Loyalty & Word of Mouth Don’t Drive Growth 14:00 What Are Category Entry Points (CEPs)? 17:00 Why Small Brands Grow Slower 20:30 How to Measure Brand Properly in B2B 25:00 Breaking Consideration Into 3 Metrics 30:00 Measuring Brand Without a Big Budget 31:40 The 95:5 Rule Explained 34:00 Brand Lift vs Vanity Metrics 36:00 Brand & Performance Aren’t Enemies 37:40 What Brand Teams Should Report 41:10 Protecting Consistency 43:00 The 3 Jobs of Brand Marketing 44:50 How Small Teams Can Start Today ----------------------------------------------------- 👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team?? 💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you??) Get the: 🔹 strategy 🔹 templates 🔹 tools So you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand. See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B Incubator Check out: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course S08 E221 - The B2B Playbook #b2b #b2bmarketing #digitalmarketing #brandmarketing #demandgeneration

    53 min

  6. 22 FEB

    #220: Why B2B Partnerships Might Be Your Biggest Growth Opportunity Right Now

    In this video, we dive into why B2B partnerships are one of the most powerful (and underused) growth strategies in 2026, and how to get your first one off the ground. We cover: Why partnerships act as a trust shortcut with your target audience, how rising paid media costs (up ~14% per year) are making partnerships more essential than ever, and the exact 4-step framework to land your first B2B partnership. If you are a B2B marketer or founder struggling with rising customer acquisition costs and want a more affordable, high-trust way to reach your ideal customers. Tune in and learn: - Why partnerships transfer trust from aligned brands to your audience - How overlapping ICPs make partnerships more effective than cold outreach - Why AI-generated content is making owned audiences even more valuable - The importance of executive buy-in and clear KPIs to make partnerships stick - Brian's #1 tip: don't go for the big fish first. Start with complementary, similarly-sized partners - The 4-step action framework: identify, shortlist (top 3–5), reach out, and go deep ----------------------------------------------------- 🔗 Links + CTAs ----------------------------------------------------- 🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course 🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organization with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school 💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency ----------------------------------------------------- SUBSCRIBE to our channel: / @theb2bplaybook SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/ ----------------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 – Why partnerships are a trust shortcut 00:56 – Welcome to Season 8 (first in-person recording!) 02:14 – The Five Bs Framework recap 10:52 – Why noise is getting worse (and what to do about it) 12:18 – The real-life analogy: partnerships as personal introductions 14:24 – Rising paid media costs & the 14% CAC benchmark 16:14 – How partnerships help share distribution costs 18:08 – Why AI makes trust-based channels even more important 20:04 – Key ingredients: overlapping ICP & give-and-get relationships 24:22 – Getting executive buy-in & setting clear KPIs 26:13 – The fastest way to kill a partnership 29:14 – The 4-step action framework to get started this week ----------------------------------------------------- 👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team?? 💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you??) Get the: 🔹 strategy 🔹 templates 🔹 tools So you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand. See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B Incubator Check out: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course S08 E220 - The B2B Playbook #b2b #partnerships #b2bmarketing

    35 min

  7. 15 FEB

    #219: Salesforce legend Phil Cleary on Why Sales Forecasts Are Breaking in 2026, and why Revenue Enablement Fails Without Commercial Architecture

    Revenue leaders don’t trust their pipeline anymore. In this episode, we sit down with Phil Cleary – 20+ year Salesforce veteran and co-lead of the Revenue Enablement Society – to unpack what’s really happening inside revenue teams right now. We break down why forecasts are slipping, why pipeline feels fabricated, and why traditional sales training isn’t fixing behaviour. This is a deep dive into revenue enablement strategy at the leadership level. We cover: + Why buyers are frozen (FOBO from FOMO) + The 2x2 coaching model every sales leader should use + Why “software with a service” is the future of SaaS + How behaviour, identity, and mindset drive real adoption + Why you are your calendar If you lead sales, marketing, or revenue teams – this conversation will challenge how you think about enablement. Tune in and learn: + How to fix forecast uncertainty + How to build behaviour-led performance + How to align revenue teams around real commercial oversight If you care about predictable revenue, commercial common sense, and long-term alignment – this one’s essential. ----------------------------------------------------- 🔗 Links + CTAs ----------------------------------------------------- 🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course 🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school 💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency ----------------------------------------------------- SUBSCRIBE to our channel: / @theb2bplaybook SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/ ----------------------------------------------------- 00:00 Why Revenue Leaders Are Losing Confidence in Their Forecast 04:40 FOMO vs FOBO: Why Buyers Are Frozen 08:10 Is Your Pipeline Fake? 11:20 Revenue Retention Is Changing Sales Behaviour 14:00 Why Commercial Handover Is Broken 16:20 The Smash-and-Grab Sales Problem 19:50 The 2x2 Coaching Framework 22:30 Toxic High Performers 25:00 What Good Behaviour Looks Like 29:30 Why Training Fails 31:00 The Kirkpatrick Model 33:10 Specialisation in Sales Teams 36:10 Thinking Like a Franchise Owner 39:40 You Are Your Calendar 42:10 Growth Mindset in Revenue Teams 48:20 SaaS vs Software With a Service 54:30 Crossing the Chasm 01:00:10 Revenue Enablement Society 01:04:00 The Art and Science of Leadership ----------------------------------------------------- 👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team?? 💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you??) Get the: 🔹 strategy 🔹 templates 🔹 tools So you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand. See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B Incubator Check out: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course S08 E219 - The B2B Playbook #b2b #b2bmarketing #digitalmarketing #demandgeneration #salesleadership #salesadvice #revenueenablement

    1hr 7min

  8. 8 FEB

    #218: Why Being Funny in B2B Marketing is a Serious Brand Strategy (and How To Do It!) - Deadpan's Luke Winter

    Most B2B content looks polished. But almost none of it gets remembered. In this episode, we break down why humour isn’t a creative risk in B2B. It’s a strategic advantage. We’re joined by Luke Winter, founder of Deadpan and one of the few people proving that B2B marketing with humour drives memory, brand lift, and real revenue. Luke shares how a single funny B2B video generated over $300K in sales, why AI-generated content is creating sameness, and how brands can use comedy frameworks to stand out without needing a massive budget. We also unpack: + Why most B2B brands confuse looking professional with being effective + The science behind entertaining ads and higher conversion rates + How to turn real customer pain points into memorable content + Five practical frameworks to generate funny B2B ideas + How to build a sitcom-style content series for your brand + How to get CEO buy-in without calling it “comedy” Tune in and learn: + Why humour works better than features in B2B + How to create distinctive brand memory in a world of AI slop + How to apply comedy without damaging credibility If you’re a B2B marketer trying to stand out, build trust, and stop blending in, this episode is essential. ----------------------------------------------------- 🔗 Links + CTAs ----------------------------------------------------- 🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course 🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school 💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency ----------------------------------------------------- SUBSCRIBE to our channel: / @theb2bplaybook SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/ ----------------------------------------------------- 00:00 Why Humour Is a Smart B2B Brand Strategy 01:10 Why B2B Comedy Is Untapped 02:00 AI vs Memorability 03:20 Why Corporate Videos Fail 04:10 The Video That Changed Everything 06:00 From 234 Views to $300K 07:00 The Showmanship Era 08:10 Why B2B Content Gets Ignored 09:10 Showmanship vs Salesmanship 10:00 Turning Pain into Comedy 11:30 The Data Behind Funny Ads 13:00 Why Humour Isn’t Risky 15:00 The Customer Is the Hero 16:40 Comedy Frameworks 20:20 Comedic Displacement 23:20 Opposites in Comedy 26:00 Metaphors That Work 28:00 Parody and Associations 31:40 Testing with Memes 34:30 Sitcom-Style B2B Content 36:50 Getting CEO Buy-In ----------------------------------------------------- 👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team?? 💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you??) Get the: 🔹 strategy 🔹 templates 🔹 tools So you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand. See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B Incubator Check out: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course S08 E218 - The B2B Playbook #b2b #b2bmarketing #brandstrategy #humourinmarketing #demandgeneration

    46 min
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Selling Business to Business? Trying to do everything, but not sure if any of it works? We’re here to help! We're Kevin and George - digital marketing professionals who are here to share with you the RIGHT plan so you can get your amazing business growing online. We’ve waded through the noise, made the mistakes, and found what works so you don't have to. We also share tips, tricks and templates from our upcoming playbook and insights from successful people in the industry. If you’re in a B2B business and like to see your marketing work for you, then this is the podcast for you! Subscribe to get the latest from the B2B Playbook first. Join our CLUB of B2B owners and marketers on LinkedIn sharing their experiences https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13980317/ Want more? Check out our weekly articles on https://theb2bplaybook.com/ Remember, with the right plan, anyone can grow their business online!

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  • Creator
    Kevin Chen & George Coudounaris
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2026
  • Episodes
    240
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    © Copyright 2026 Kevin Chen & George Coudounaris
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    The B2B Playbook

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