Refactoring Podcast

Luca Rossi

Weekly interviews with world-class engineering leaders about writing great software and working well with humans.

  1. Every Engineer Is a Manager Now 🤖 — with Chris Lattner

    1 G FA

    Every Engineer Is a Manager Now 🤖 — with Chris Lattner

    Today’s guest is Chris Lattner, one of the most important engineers for modern computing. Chris invented key compiler infrastructure tech like LLVM and MLIR, but he’s also the inventor of the Swift language, a key contributor in bringing Google TPUs to market, and a lot more. Today he’s the founder and CEO of Modular, where he’s reinventing AI infrastructure to make software portable across GPUs and platforms. So with Chris, we talked about his vision for AI and computing. We talked about how Modular’s mission makes us closer to a future where AI is open and portable. And we talked about open source, how AI is both empowering and straining contributors, how it’s changing intellectual property, and what workflows we need to change as engineers. And finally, we discussed how AI is changing software craftsmanship, how he’s bullish about junior engineers, and a lot more. (00:00) Preview (02:11) Introduction (04:05) What is Modular? (06:13) Sponsor break (07:10) From CPU to GPU landscape (10:46) Objective-C Swift analogy (15:37) What is Modular for Chris? (17:37) The love for building (20:21) Chris' view on AI future (23:48) AI and open source (29:34) Figuring out new workflows (31:22) On licenses and copyright (33:42) High quality software (35:21) Coding faster with AI (41:27) The landscape of junior engineers (48:22) AI amplifies the good and the bad (52:21) Modular ceremonies (55:26) Tech debt — You can also find this at: • 📬 Newsletter: https://refactoring.fm • 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Luds9d • 📱 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast

    59 min
  2. Building Apps with Your Voice 🎤— with Paige Bailey

    6 FEB

    Building Apps with Your Voice 🎤— with Paige Bailey

    Today's guest is Paige Bailey, Developer Relations Lead at Google DeepMind. And before that, Principal Product Manager at GitHub, where she launched Copilot and several other AI products.With Paige, we went through a quick demo of how to build and deploy a fully functioning application just with your voice, one that includes accessing your camera, manipulating pictures, and having AI doing a live interview with you to fill out your profile. So this is a bit different episode than usual, so I encourage you to check out the full video, where Paige shares her screen and goes through all the steps.And we also talked about what's coming about AI, how engineers should think about their work, and how the Google DeepMind team is changing with all roles, basically converging to one. So let's dive right into the action.(00:00) Preview(01:32) Introduction(02:12) The best era for software engineers(05:36) Navigating AI tools(06:22) AI Studio Build demo(13:53) Choosing the right AI model(17:34) Prompts and intuition(19:13) Antigravity demo(23:43) Delegating and working with AI(26:00) AI at team level(28:38) Changes in product development teams(30:45) Next stages in working with AI(37:54) Rethink software engineering—You can also find this at:• 📬 Newsletter: https://refactoring.fm• 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Luds9dmzZDoDC8Q7EMbSw• 📱 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/refactoring-podcast/id1719137305—For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, or appearing as a guest, email: luca@refactoring.club

    40 min
  3. The State of AI Adoption 📊 — with Matt McClernan

    05/12/2025

    The State of AI Adoption 📊 — with Matt McClernan

    Today's guest is Matt McClernan, CEO of Augment Code! With Matt, we went through the findings of our own research that we developed together with Augment, surveying more than 400 engineering teams about how they're using AI. And we went through many topics, from the differences between personal and team adoption, challenges, how documentation looks like a secret weapon, how to manage context in AI coding, and much more. And then we talked about the future, how the UX of AI coding is changing with IDEs, CLI tools and agents, and what the future might bring. (00:00) Preview (01:26) Introduction (02:16) Personal vs Team AI Adoption (09:25) The journey of AI adoption (13:06) The role of documentation (18:13) AI and Context: the Augment secret sauce (25:44) Helping AI with context (28:17) Quality control in AI coding (36:30) Companies and AI in the near future (45:54) The state of UX in writing code (51:54) The scope of Augment — This episode is brought to you by Snyk! Join a live session with Vandana Verma Sehgal, OWASP Leader and Staff Developer Advocate at Snyk, on Thursday, December 11, at 11am ET Register at https://go.snyk.io/12-11-owasp-top-10-isc2.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=so-sp&utm_campaign=dm_im-refactoring_wbn_251211_owasp-top-10&utm_term=refactoring&utm_content=ad&ref=plug.dev — You can also find this at: • 📬 Newsletter: https://refactoring.fm • 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Luds9dmzZDoDC8Q7EMbSw • 📱 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/refactoring-podcast/id1719137305 — For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, or appearing as a guest, email: luca@refactoring.club

    56 min
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Weekly interviews with world-class engineering leaders about writing great software and working well with humans.

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