REWORK 37signals
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A podcast by 37signals about the better way to work and run your business. The REWORK podcast features the co-founders of 37signals (the makers of Basecamp and HEY), Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson sharing their unique perspective on business and entrepreneurship along with host Kimberly Rhodes.
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A Matter of Ambition
In this episode of Rework, host Kimberly Rhodes alongside 37signals co-founders, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, talk about the company's renewed sense of ambition and excitement for upcoming projects. They highlight the importance of keeping things fresh, while emphasizing the balance between ambition and practicality.
Key Takeaways:
00:41 - The source of the company’s ambition explained
02:18 - Sticking to fundamentals and simplicity can still have a major impact
06:09 - A hefty price tag on software doesn’t mean it’s good
11:29 - How 37signals structures teams for new product development
18:17 - Uncertainty can serve as adventure the exact path to success is not known
22:32 - A change in priorities is often necessary to fuel ambition
24:59 - The motivation is to make products better
Links and Resources:
Books by 37signals
Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
HEY World | HEY
The REWORK podcast
The Rework Podcast on YouTube
The 37signals Dev Blog
37signals on YouTube
@37signals on X -
How We Work: Summer Fridays
In this episode, host Kimberly Rhodes chats with 37signals' cofounders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson about the company's Summer Fridays policy, which grants employees a four-day workweek from May to September. While the perk encourages work-life balance and a feeling of seasonality, there are drawbacks to consider, like reduced productivity.
Key Takeaways:
00:46 - 37signals' Summer Friday policy and why it was initially introduced
03:09 - The trade-offs the company makes with summer hours
10:12 - The challenge with summer hours in the pursuit of more ambitious goals
13:09 - How the company balances coverage for always-on teams, like customer support
16:17 - The effect on team projects that require collaboration
Links and Resources:
Samsung shifts to emergency mode with 6-day work week for executives
The Hawthorne Effect
Books by 37signals
Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
HEY World | HEY
The REWORK podcast
The Rework Podcast on YouTube
The 37signals Dev Blog
37signals on YouTube
@37signals on X -
A Spin-off Story
In the podcast, REWORK host Kimberly Rhodes talks with 37signals co-founders, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, about their journey spinning off products. They stress the value of keeping contracts simple and how once the handover is done, it's best to take a hands-off approach and let the new team run things. They share their experiences with boards and underline the need for trust and flexibility.
Key Takeaways:
00:43 - The steps they took to transition "Know Your Company" into its own independent entity.
04:49 - Contracts don't offer as much protection as people believe.
10:58 - The differences in spinning off a startup vs. a long-established company.
14:53 - Letting capable partners take the reins and run the show independently.
18:51 - The challenge in finding the right partner for a spin-off business.
20:12 - In any transaction, things may not turn out as expected, but it may be worth taking calculated risks.
23:19 - Contracts don't necessarily prevent disputes and can sometimes escalate them unnecessarily.
Links and Resources:
Canopy, formerly known as Know Your Company
‘Know Your Company’ Deal Structure
Books by 37signals
Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
HEY World | HEY
The REWORK podcast
The Rework Podcast on YouTube
The 37signals Dev Blog
37signals on YouTube
@37signals on X -
Disagree and Commit
"Consensus is cozy, but broad agreement is not our aim. The right decision is. Which is why we take the time to think, debate, persuade, listen and reconsider and then, someone, decides. If you disagree, that’s fine, but once the decision is made, it’s time to commit and support it completely."
Tune in as Kimberly leads a chat with Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, about the concept of Disagree and Commit. Once a decision is made, everyone should be in 100% — no looking back.
Key Takeaways:
01:01 - Breaking down how Disagree and Commit operates
02:17 - Identifying the most suitable person to make the final decision based on the circumstance
07:40 - Embracing the "manager of one" concept, empowering individuals to decide independently with reasonable supervision
09:33 - Acknowledging that delegating decisions doesn't compromise the emphasis on quality
14:04 - Always keeping the door open to revisit and tweak things
15:44 - Granting capable individuals the freedom to make mistakes, alongside providing guidance for improvement
20:35 - Viewing hiring not just as an evaluation of current abilities but also considering potential growth opportunities.
Links and Resources:
Jeff Bezos 2016 Letter to Amazon Shareholders
There’s No Speed Limit by Derek Sivers – https://sive.rs/kimo
Books by 37signals
Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
HEY World | HEY
The REWORK podcast
The Rework Podcast on YouTube
The 37signals Dev Blog
37signals on YouTube -
Strangers at a Cocktail Party
Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, the co-founders of 37signals, dive into their book REWORK and discuss the essay “Strangers at a Cocktail Party” with Rework host, Kimberly Rhodes. From their experience, hiring too many people at once can throw off the balance and continuity of a company's culture. They talk about the importance of gradual assimilation and how culture is implicit, not always written down. They share insights on the value of fresh perspectives and the excitement of facing challenges head-on.
Key Takeaways:
00:30 - Gradually integrating new hires is important for upholding an organization's established norms and values.
02:30 - Company culture is nurtured through the daily interactions and collective experiences shared within an organization.
05:34 - New hires inject new perspectives and innovative ideas into the mix.
07:14 - Embracing crises and novel challenges is part of the excitement of running a business.
12:19 - Reflecting on the hiring patterns at 37signals.
14:23 - While change is essential for adjusting the company's culture and strategy, it's vital to implement it carefully and minimize disruptions.
Links and Resources:
The Half-Life of Facts by Samuel Arbesman
All About Atlas - Boston Dynamics Robot
Books by 37signals
Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
HEY World | HEY
The REWORK podcast
The Rework Podcast on YouTube
The 37signals Dev Blog
37signals on YouTube
@37signals on X -
The Wrong Time for Real Time
This episode of REWORK delves into an essay from the book "It Doesn't Have To Be Crazy At Work," co-authored by Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, advocating for the use of asynchronous communication for work projects. During the discussion, they explore the downside of chat and suggest it be reserved for informal discussions and social interactions.
Key Takeaways:
00:36 - Different communication methods in the workplace – chat vs. asynchronous
02:22 - The benefits of centralized communication for project management and how chat can hinder productivity
09:20 - Managing multiple conversations for a single project
11:28 - How project management tools reduce the need for frequent meetings, check-ins, and follow-ups
20:05 - Data retention practices for both formal and informal communication
Links and Resources:
Once. com – https://once.com/
Campfire – https://once.com/campfire
Books by 37signals – https://37signals.com/books
Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
HEY – https://www.hey.com/
The REWORK podcast – https://37signals.com/podcast/
Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website. Full video episodes are available on YouTube and X.
If you have a question for Jason or David about a better way to work and run your business, leave us a voicemail at 708-628-7850 or email, and we might answer it on a future episode.