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X's and Joe's, part of the Back Home Network, is a podcast that lets you eavesdrop on an ongoing, 25-year conversation between two friends and Indiana University grads who have an unusual passion for exploring the formula for winning in today’s modern college basketball. Hosted by Bob Moats (cbobmoats) and Mike Wiemuth (iu-in-philly), this show examines trends in recruiting, metrics, strategy, and coaching -- with an emphasis on debunking myths and challenging popular assumptions. And while Bob and Mike's rooting interests may lie with the Hoosiers, this show takes an expansive view of the college basketball landscape beyond just Bloomington. In other words, it's a show for ALL serious college hoops fans who truly appreciate the nuances of the sport.

  1. 6月23日

    [61] Where Have All the Character Coaches Gone?

    Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth are joined by Scott Caulfield for a fun and thought-provoking discussion about the evolution of college basketball coaching. Looking back at some of the sport's most memorable personalities, the guys explore why coaching icons once loomed so large over the game—and why today's coaches often feel very different. The Golden Age of Coaching Personalities The conversation begins with a trip down memory lane as Bob, Mike, and Scott revisit some of the unforgettable characters who once dominated college basketball. Why coaches like Bob Knight, Jim Valvano, John Thompson, Jerry Tarkanian, Lou Carnesecca, and Rollie Massimino became household namesThe quirks, stories, and larger-than-life personalities that made coaches stars in their own rightHow many of these coaches became synonymous with their programs and even their conferencesWhich legendary coaches would make the best dinner companionsAlong the way, the guys share plenty of stories, laughs, and memories from college basketball's colorful past. Why Today's Coaches Feel Different The discussion then turns to the modern game and why today's coaches often seem more corporate, measured, and interchangeable. Topics include: The "nerdification" and professionalization of coachingHow media scrutiny, social media, and 24/7 coverage have changed coaching behaviorWhy modern coaches often look more like executives than old-school basketball lifersThe impact of shorter coaching tenures and increased job movementThe group also debates whether the sport has simply changed—or whether we've lost something valuable along the way. NIL, Realignment, and the New Coaching Reality As the conversation evolves, Bob, Mike, and Scott examine how NIL, the transfer portal, and the changing economics of college sports have fundamentally altered the coaching profession. Why college coaching may now be more difficult than NBA coachingHow roster management and fundraising have reshaped the head coach's jobWhether today's coaches are being hired primarily to win games rather than build programs and young menWhy the modern environment may discourage the kind of eccentric personalities that once thrived in the sportThe guys also discuss Dusty May's departure for the NBA and what it says about the future of college basketball coaching. Is There Room for Characters to Return? The episode closes with a fascinating discussion about whether coaching personalities could eventually make a comeback. Could larger support staffs and general managers eventually free coaches to simply coach again? Or has college basketball permanently moved into a more corporate era? It's a thoughtful conversation about leadership, culture, nostalgia, and where the sport may be headed next. Bottom line: This episode is equal parts basketball history, cultural analysis, and old-school storytelling as Bob, Mike, and Scott explore why college basketball once felt full of unforgettable characters—and whether those days are truly gone for good. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1時間25分

  2. 6月2日

    [60] Indy 500 Weekend, Curt Cignetti, and the State of College Sports

    The show opens with a look back at an unforgettable Indy 500 and some thoughts on why events like that become part of Indiana's identity. • Why this year's race was one of the most memorable in recent years • Curt Cignetti's comments on the future of college athletics • The growing pressure on college sports to figure out NIL and governance Is Indiana's Roster Actually Better? This is where the basketball discussion really gets rolling. • Why the guys think IU largely accomplished what it needed to in the portal • The additions that could have the biggest impact next season • How Marcus Burton changes the equation offensively • What makes this roster feel different from recent IU teams There's also a deeper conversation about spacing, shot creation, offensive rebounding, and why this team may have more answers when games get tight. How Much Should Fans Trust the Hype? Preseason rankings are starting to appear, and Indiana is showing up in some interesting places. • What the early projections are saying about IU • Why portal rankings are harder to evaluate than recruiting rankings • The gap between talent on paper and actual results • What a successful first full season under Darian DeVries would really look like Bottom line: The roster looks better. The projections are encouraging. But as the guys discuss throughout the episode, the real question isn't whether Indiana won the offseason—it's whether all of these pieces can come together once the games start. This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1時間20分

  3. 4月24日

    [58] Why Are IU Fans So Angry?

    In this episode of Xs and Joes, Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth dig into a topic many Indiana fans can feel but struggle to explain: why so much frustration around IU basketball now feels deeper than just wins and losses. Using recent reactions, historical context, and a few memorable pop-culture references, they explore how decades of unmet expectations have shaped the current mood around the program. Why IU Fans Are So Angry The conversation starts with the obvious question—and goes well beyond the surface. Why this frustration feels more like exhaustion than outrageHow years of near-misses, resets, and false starts compound over timeThe difference between a disappointed fan base and a burned-out oneWhy anger often shows up when expectations still existThe Weight of Three Decades Indiana’s history matters—but so does everything since. The guys look at how few truly memorable seasons IU has had in the modern era, and why long stretches of mediocrity hit differently at a program with this much tradition. How optimism slowly erodesWhy “just be patient” lands differently now than it once didDusty May, Braden Smith, and the Ones That Got Away Recent tournament storylines reopened old wounds. The episode explores why certain names trigger such strong reactions from IU fans—and why those reactions are often about more than one player or one coach. Can Darian DeVries Change the Mood? There’s real momentum from the portal haul, but skepticism remains. Why this offseason has created genuine intrigueWhat still has to happen before fans fully buy inHow year two could shift the entire tone around the programThis Isn’t Just an Indiana Problem IU may be unique in some ways—but not in this one. The discussion branches into Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Nebraska, and other fan bases dealing with the same collision of history, money, and modern expectations. Bottom line: This episode is about more than fan anger. It’s about what happens when a proud program goes too long without giving people a reason to believe—and what it will take to earn that belief back. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1時間45分

  4. 3月27日

    [56] 2026 NCAA Bracket with Andy Bottoms

    In this episode of Xs and Joes, Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth are joined by Andy Bottoms to unpack the 2026 NCAA Tournament bracket, the selection process, and what it all reveals about where college basketball is headed next. Bracketology Reality Check The guys open with Andy reflecting on another Selection Sunday—and why even strong bracket projections can still “grade out” poorly. Why bracketology success doesn’t always match leaderboard resultsThe surprising disconnect between predictive accuracy and final rankingsA tongue-in-cheek case for “re-scoring” brackets based on tournament outcomesEarly hints that this year’s committee may have valued things differently than expected Committee Philosophy & Process A deeper dive into how the selection committee actually operates—and where subjectivity still sneaks in. Whether the committee truly follows a strict process or has hidden preferencesWhere bias might show up (and where it likely doesn’t)Why controversial matchups are usually dictated by rules—not conspiracyThe one area of the bracket where human judgment still matters most What the Committee Really Values Now This is where things get interesting—and where Andy outlines a subtle but important shift. The growing importance of “wins above bubble” in getting selectedWhy seeding may now lean more on predictive metrics like KenPomCase studies that highlight the tension between results and efficiencyA key question: Are quality wins losing influence in favor of efficiency metrics? Mid-Majors, Scheduling, and the System Problem A fascinating conversation about the structural challenges facing non–power conference teams. The scheduling paradox: no one wants to play you… but you’re punished if you don’tWhy some programs embrace tough non-conference games—and others avoid themHow newer metrics may actually help mid-majors get a fair shotThe hidden tradeoffs every program faces when building a schedule Tournament Takeaways (So Far) After the first weekend, the bracket has been relatively calm—but that might be a feature, not a bug. Why there were fewer shocking upsets than usualThe one result that did stand out—and why it happenedHow style-of-play mismatches can still flip gamesA bigger-picture insight about how the tournament may be evolving The Future of Bracketology The episode closes with a thought-provoking look ahead. Could bracketology eventually become fully algorithm-driven?What we’d gain in accuracy—and lose in dramaThe tension between data-driven decisions and human nuanceWhy the future might shift the drama from Selection Sunday to the games themselves Bottom line: This episode isn’t just about this bracket—it’s about how the entire system is evolving. And whether we’re ready for a world where the madness is a little less mysterious… and a lot more calculated. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1時間1分

  5. 2月20日

    [53] What Is Darian DeVries Running? (with Tony Adragna & Brian Tonsoni)

    Indiana basketball fans have spent the season trying to figure out exactly what Darian DeVries’ offense looks like — and this episode dives deep into the answer. Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth welcome Brian Tonsoni and Tony Adragna for a coach-level breakdown of IU’s evolving offensive concepts, player development trends, and why the program’s foundation may already be stronger than the record suggests. The Evolution of Modern College Offense The conversation begins with a wide-angle look at how college basketball offenses have changed in recent years. From continuity ball screens to five-out spacing and hybrid systems blending Princeton, Euro, and modern spread concepts, the group explores how today’s best teams mix old ideas with new spacing principles — and why versatility and skill across positions now matter more than size alone. So… What Is DeVries Actually Running? Rather than a rigid playbook, Indiana’s offense appears built around concepts and reads. The hosts explain how DeVries organizes families of actions that allow players to react to defensive coverage instead of executing robotic sets. Through film examples, they highlight screen-to-screener actions, flare concepts, and counters that evolve throughout games — evidence of intentional design even when possessions don’t end in points. Optionality vs. Robotic Basketball One recurring theme: IU’s offense feels different because every action contains multiple outcomes. Screeners slip, shooters relocate during drives, and reads develop in real time, making the system harder to scout. The panel contrasts this flexibility with previous IU offenses, noting how modern spacing and simultaneous movement create advantages even without elite downhill creators. Player Development Showing Up in Real Time Lamar Wilkerson becomes a central case study in development within the system. The coaches discuss his progression from cutter to driver to multi-level scorer, emphasizing improved strength, balance, and playing off two feet. The conversation expands to broader roster growth, suggesting several players have improved throughout the season despite structural limitations. The Foundation vs. the Roster Ceiling While praising scheme and adaptability, the group agrees IU still lacks certain roster pieces — particularly a consistent downhill creator and rim protection. Still, the coaching staff’s adjustments, scouting preparation, and conceptual clarity signal a program building toward sustainability rather than short-term fixes. Modern Shot Selection and the Three-Point Debate The episode closes with discussion of Indiana’s three-point volume relative to elite offenses nationally. Rather than criticizing shot totals, the hosts frame success around shot quality, spacing, and roster versatility — arguing that improved personnel could unlock the full efficiency of DeVries’ system. This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1時間3分

  6. 2月6日

    [52] Is the Cignetti Hire the GOAT? (with Galen Clavio)

    Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth welcome Galen Clavio to dive deep into whether Curt Cignetti's hire represents the greatest turnaround in college football history, explore what the numbers actually say, and discuss how a basketball school winning a football national championship changes everything. Still Processing the Impossible The trio opens by admitting they're all still struggling to process what just happened—and it's not just IU fans. Galen notes the rest of college football can't wrap their heads around it either, with people still joking online like "imagine if Indiana was good enough to win a national title—oh wait." They discuss how Cignetti created belief in the fan base through a steady boil rather than a flash fry, and how by the Ohio State game, IU fans had crossed the threshold from "I can't believe we're here" to "I can't wait to kick their butts." The Basketball Situation Before diving into football greatness, the conversation detours into IU basketball's current state. Galen questions why IU continues struggling to recruit the athletic players that Texas Tech, Alabama, and other programs seem to land consistently—a problem that's plagued multiple coaches. Bob notes the team lacks identity and feels mercurial, though the Purdue win showed what's possible when everything clicks. Mike explains this was always a "proof of concept" roster with a fixed ceiling, and the portal additions next year should stabilize things. Quantifying Greatness Mike breaks out the data comparing Cignetti to legendary coaches: Only five coaches in history won 90%+ of games in their first two years—Barry Switzer, Larry Coker, Ryan Day, Urban Meyer, and Terry BowdenAll of them inherited rosters loaded with NFL players (Coker inherited 34 future NFL players at Miami, including 13 Pro Bowlers)Cignetti inherited maybe a handful at best, then had to build through the portal on a condensed timelineWhen comparing first championship timelines, only Urban Meyer matched Cignetti's two-year mark among modern coachesThe kicker: Cignetti's 61-point variance above IU's 50-year baseline (32% to 93%) has never been done before—not even closeThe Bill Snyder Comparison Mike reveals the closest historical comparison is Bill Snyder at Kansas State, widely considered one of the greatest turnaround artists ever. But even Snyder started 6-16 in his first two years before building to sustained success. The difference? Snyder's best Kansas State teams (like the 11-1 squad in 1998) still fell short in championship moments. Cignetti didn't just match the journey—he completed it by winning the whole thing in year two. The Basketball School Paradox Bob introduces the revelation that IU is the first basketball blue blood to win a football national championship. Not Kentucky, not North Carolina, not Kansas—Indiana. Galen explores what this means for redefining IU's identity, noting that if you asked every 60-year-old alum at Power Five schools to stand if they've seen their team win both a football and basketball title, only three would stand: IU, Florida, and Michigan. The conversation turns philosophical about whether IU can maintain elite football success while not choking off oxygen for basketball and other sports—a question no basketball school has ever had to answer before. The Providence Factor Mike emphasizes to IU fans: this is not normal. Most fan bases never see their team win a national championship in their lifetime, and many programs' titles came before their current fans were born. The group discusses how IU's championship breaks all the meters for measuring greatness, with Galen noting there's an open debate about whether this was the greatest college football team of all time—a sentence that would have seemed like satire just two years ago. This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Home Field Apparel. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1時間47分

  7. 1月28日

    [51] IU Wins a Football Natty -- Now What?

    Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth process the surreal reality of Indiana winning a national championship in football, explore the Mendoza moment that will define IU history, and discuss how this changes everything from rivalries to recruiting expectations across college sports. Processing the Impossible Bob and Mike try wrapping their heads around IU joining the exclusive club of just 11 programs with both football and basketball national titles—and how their main rival doesn't have either. They discuss whether the dopamine hit will ever fade, Chris Fowler's perfect call on the Mendoza run, and why the real lasting value isn't the replay but the memory of who you were with when it happened. (Bob admits he watched the McAfee feed instead of the regular broadcast because he wanted the energy of the one guy who believed in IU the whole way.) The Monolith Theory Bob introduces his "2001: A Space Odyssey" framework for understanding what just happened between IU and Purdue. For years, both programs were apes living in fear of the dark (elite programs), unable to command fire or use tools. Then the monolith showed up and taught one group how to use a bone as a weapon—while the other group still tries scaring opponents off with performative displays. The deeper question: what happens when one rival figures out they don't need to chant "you suck" anymore because they just expect to win? What This Championship Actually Buys Mike explains why this title will resonate differently than championships won in past eras: Winning now requires surviving a three-game tournament that produces the three most-watched games of the yearThis is probably the most viral championship run in modern college sports history—60 Minutes, Good Morning America, Jimmy Fallon coverageThe measurables: #3 portal class, completely changed access to four and five-star recruitsThe biggest long-term win: flipping the narrative from "they won't show up" to taking over stadiums at Alabama, Oregon, and Miami Studio 54 and the Zero-to-One Problem Mike's "Studio 54 effect" explains championship psychology: everyone wants in the club, nobody wants to be behind the rope. You might not be in the VIP room with Alabama, but you're at least on the dance floor now. The biggest variance isn't between one championship and five—it's zero to one. He watched it happen with Eagles fans, and now he's watching Purdue message boards explode with "Fire Bobinski" posts while fans mortgage all their emotions into basketball karma evening the score. The Next "What About Wisconsin?" Mike predicts Cignetti's success will become the new impossible standard thrown at coaches nationwide, just like Bo Ryan at Wisconsin became the "what about Wisconsin?" drinking game. The problem: there can usually only be one or two unicorn coaches who "do more with less" at a time, and what makes Cignetti statistically unique is having multiple one-in-several-thousand recruits become All-Americans on the same team. Bob warns that ADs chasing flash bangs instead of understanding infrastructure will lose—the portal shrinks timelines, but process still matters more than quick hits. This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1時間46分

  8. 1月15日

    [50] Expectations For IU – What Are Reasonable Outcomes For Football and Basketball?

    Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth check in from opposite sides of the country to discuss IU's impending national championship matchup with Miami, dissect the Hoosiers' recent basketball struggles, and explore what reasonable expectations look like for both programs right now. The Rose Bowl That Wasn't Bob and Mike open with the bittersweet realization that their long-planned Back Home Network meetup this weekend could have been in Miami for the national championship game instead of Bloomington for an Iowa basketball matchup. They discuss IU's status as an 8.5-point favorite over Miami, the narrative that IU "hasn't been tested" despite beating Ohio State, Oregon, and Alabama by a combined margin that would make Sherman's March to the Sea look gentle, and why Miami fans might want to check out Homefield Apparel's vintage Hurricanes collection before Monday's game. Basketball's Reality Check The conversation shifts to IU basketball's brutal week—blowing a 16-point lead to Nebraska and getting boat-raced by Michigan State at Breslin. Bob and Mike break down what's actually happening beyond the disappointing results: The roster gaps they identified in the preseason are showing up exactly as predicted—too many elite shooters, not enough drivers or rim protectionLamar Wilkerson is performing at a legitimate All-American level (near 10 BPM), but when defenses key on him and Tucker DeVries, IU struggles to generate offense elsewhereConerway is the only true penetrator, and when teams neutralize him, the offense becomes predictable and easy to defendAgainst physically superior teams like Michigan State, IU's passing windows close dramatically and their carefully designed actions don't create the same looks they get in practice The Roster Construction Story Mike explains the brutal timeline Darian DeVries faced building this roster—hired in mid-April right as the portal was opening, with top guards already off the board before IU even had a full staff assembled. They discuss how next year's portal cycle can address many of these gaps, and why this season's limitations don't predict future struggles. Scheme and Psychology Bob dives into the X's and O's, noting IU is getting nearly 20% of their possessions off cuts and off-ball screens—historically high for DeVries—because they have to manufacture offense without dominant drivers or post players. When defenses adjust and take away these actions, IU doesn't have a clear "what's next" option. The mental side matters too: watching players tunnel-vision toward Wilkerson late in games or run actions mechanically rather than reading the defense shows a team still figuring out who they are. Looking Ahead They close by previewing Saturday's Iowa game as a better measuring stick than the Michigan State beatdown, discussing upcoming video breakdowns of IU's offensive schemes, and teasing a deep dive into Curt Cignetti's historical context as potentially IU's greatest athletic department hire ever—regardless of Monday's outcome in Miami. This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1時間28分
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X's and Joe's, part of the Back Home Network, is a podcast that lets you eavesdrop on an ongoing, 25-year conversation between two friends and Indiana University grads who have an unusual passion for exploring the formula for winning in today’s modern college basketball. Hosted by Bob Moats (cbobmoats) and Mike Wiemuth (iu-in-philly), this show examines trends in recruiting, metrics, strategy, and coaching -- with an emphasis on debunking myths and challenging popular assumptions. And while Bob and Mike's rooting interests may lie with the Hoosiers, this show takes an expansive view of the college basketball landscape beyond just Bloomington. In other words, it's a show for ALL serious college hoops fans who truly appreciate the nuances of the sport.

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    Back Home Network
  • 配信期間
    23年 - 26年
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    58
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