That Tech Pod

Laura Milstein, Gabriela Schulte and Kevin Albert

Welcome to That Tech Pod, a podcast co-hosted by Laura Milstein, Gabi Schulte and Kevin Albert. Each Tuesday, That Tech Pod will feature in depth discussions about data privacy, cybersecurity, eDiscovery, and tech innovations with heavy hitters in the industry. Subscribe so you don't miss an episode! Visit thattechpod.com for more information.

  1. 12시간 전

    America’s Housing Crisis Has a Data Problem. Trent Livingston Wants to Fix It.

    Trent Livingston is back on That Tech Pod. When Trent first joined the pod for Episode 3 in 2021, he was leading ESI Analyst, a pioneering SaaS company focused on data discovery for the legal industry. Today, after selling ESI Analyst, he’s tackling a very different problem: America’s housing crisis. As co-founder and CEO of ZoneLex, Trent is focused on one of the least visible but most consequential pieces of the housing puzzle: zoning law. Fragmented, constantly changing local regulations can determine what gets built, where it gets built, and whether the housing Americans need can actually get approved. We talk about Trent’s journey from legal tech to housing, why zoning is such a massive technology problem, and how his experience working with complex legal and data systems led him to this new challenge. We also dig into his philosophy around Applied AI and Small Language Models, and why bigger models aren't necessarily better for enterprise applications. From the limits of today's AI systems to the possibility that technology is beginning to outpace the laws governing it, Trent makes the case for a different approach to AI: know the land. Know the laws. And, naturally, we end with the question: after taking on zoning, housing, and some of America's most complicated regulatory data, what's the next impossible problem Trent might decide to tackle? Trent Livingston is a two-time founder who specializes in bringing macro-level technology visions to life. After founding and selling ESI Analyst, a pioneering SaaS data discovery solution in the legal tech space, Trent turned his attention to a massive new challenge: U.S. zoning law and the nation's housing crisis. His motivation to tackle this space is directly tied to his deep foundation in legal technology and his work as a testifying expert in complex data analytics. Recognizing that the "missing middle" housing shortage ultimately starts and stops with fragmented, ever-changing laws, he co-founded ZoneLex. As CEO, Trent drives the strategic vision for an enterprise platform powered by Applied AI and Small Language Models designed to decode and structure this complex legal landscape. With over two decades of experience, Trent excels at identifying massive, unaddressed bottlenecks and building market-defining B2B businesses that drive real-world impact.

  2. 8월 18일

    Will AI Agents Replace the Work or Just Change Who Does It? with Consilio’s Raj Chandrasekar

    AI agents are moving from experimentation to execution, but what does that actually mean for the future of work? In this episode of That Tech Pod, Laura and Kevin sit down with Raj Chandrasekar, Chief Technology and Innovation Officer at Consilio, returning to the show after more than two years to discuss how the AI conversation has evolved from "Can we trust AI?" to "Can AI actually do the work?" Raj shares his perspective on the current state of AI agents, what separates true agentic systems from advanced chatbots, and why successful AI adoption depends as much on people and processes as it does on technology. The conversation explores the challenges organizations face as AI becomes more autonomous, including human oversight, hallucinations, AI governance, and the emerging question of whether AI agents will eventually need other AI agents to validate their work. They also revisit predictions from their previous conversation, discuss how AI is changing software development, and explore how leaders can determine when an AI agent is the right solution versus when traditional automation is the better answer. You can listen to Raj's previous episode here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-valentines-day-fall-in-love-with-consilio-and-ai/id1559586772?i=1000645127580 Raj Chandrasekar is Chief Technology and Innovation Officer of Consilio where he oversees Consilio’s technology and innovation functions – merging Development and Engineering, Infrastructure, Security, Product Management, Business Intelligence, and Corporate Services functions.  In his role, Raj frequently interfaces with clients to understand and accommodate processing, security and uptime needs and is also responsible for the day-to-day operations of their industry-leading eDiscovery and legal industry software solutions. Raj has over 25 years of experience in the field of Software Development and Infrastructure Management and has held technology leadership positions in various large corporations.

  3. 8월 11일

    Everything You Know About Productivity Is About to Change with Dr. Mik Kersten

    Artificial intelligence is making people faster, but is it actually making organizations better? On this episode of That Tech Pod, we sit down with Dr. Mik Kersten, one of the world's leading thinkers on technology transformation and organizational change. From groundbreaking computer science research at PARC to founding Tasktop and helping some of the world's largest enterprises modernize software delivery, Mik has spent his career studying how technology reshapes the way we work. We dive into the ideas behind his new book, Output to Outcome, and explore why AI is much more than another productivity tool. Mik explains why many organizations are approaching AI the wrong way, why simply producing more work doesn't necessarily create more value, and why the operating models that defined the last century may no longer be fit for the AI era. We also discuss how leaders can measure the real return on AI investments, avoid chasing productivity for its own sake, and build organizations that combine human judgment with increasingly capable AI systems. Whether you're a technology leader, executive, founder, or simply trying to understand where work is headed next, this conversation offers a thoughtful roadmap for navigating one of the biggest shifts in modern business. Dr. Mik Kersten is a computer scientist, technology strategist, and one of the leading voices on how organizations adapt to technological change. Mik is the founder and former CEO of Tasktop, and currently serves as Executive in Residence at Planview following Tasktop's acquisition in 2022. His career has spanned pioneering software research at PARC, leadership roles in the open-source community through the Eclipse Foundation, and helping enterprises modernize the way they deliver technology. Mik is also the bestselling author of Project to Product, and his new book, Output to Outcome, explores why AI isn't just changing how work gets done, but fundamentally reshaping the operating models organizations were built upon.

  4. 8월 4일

    What Happens If We Find Aliens Tomorrow? with SkyMapper CEO Dr. Franck Marchis

    This week on That Tech Pod, we look up. We're joined by Dr. Franck Marchis, CEO and co-founder of SkyMapper, co-founder of Unistellar, Director of Citizen Science at the SETI Institute, and one of the world's leading planetary astronomers. From discovering triple-asteroid systems to helping build the next generation of citizen science, Franck has spent his career making space exploration more accessible to everyone. In this episode, we dive into the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, what astronomers actually do at SETI, and whether AI is changing the way we explore the universe. Franck shares his thoughts on whether intelligent alien life is likely to exist, what would happen if humanity received a credible signal from another civilization, and whether we're more likely to find microbes in our own solar system before discovering an advanced civilization light-years away. We also discuss how astronomy is no longer reserved for professional observatories. Thanks to advances in smart telescopes, AI, and global collaboration, everyday enthusiasts can now make meaningful contributions to scientific discovery. Franck explains how SkyMapper is building a worldwide network of connected telescopes and all-sky cameras designed to continuously monitor the skies and create trusted, verifiable observations for researchers and citizen scientists alike. Finally, we explore SkySphere, SkyMapper's new intelligent all-sky camera that captures a continuous 180-degree view of the sky using on-device AI to detect meteors, satellites, drones, aircraft, and other phenomena in real time. We talk about how the project could reshape both amateur astronomy and scientific research, and how listeners can get involved through its successful Kickstarter campaign. Learn more about SkyMapper and check out the SkySphere Kickstarter. You can also learn more about Franck’s work with the SETI Institute. Dr. Franck Marchis is the CEO and co-founder of SkyMapper, co-founder of Unistellar, and the Director of Citizen Science at the SETI Institute. A planetary astronomer by training, his research spans exoplanets, asteroid systems, and high-resolution imaging. He is widely known for co-discovering multiple triple-asteroid systems and for pioneering technologies and programs that bring astronomical discovery to the public. Through his efforts at SkyMapper and his work at SETI, Franck is helping build a global community of citizen scientists empowered to explore and understand the universe.

  5. 7월 28일

    The Skills AI Can't Replace: The Sales Docket-That Tech Pod crossover pod with Steve Rapp and Tim Garner

    This week, That Tech Pod does something a little different, teaming up with Steve Rapp and Tim Garner from The Sales Docket Podcast for a crossover pod that bridges technology and modern sales leadership. What starts as a discussion about sales quickly evolves into a candid conversation about trust, technical expertise, AI, career growth, and why relationships still matter more than ever. If you enjoy this conversation, be sure to check out The Sales Docket Podcast for more discussions on modern sales leadership, go-to-market strategy, and revenue growth. Kevin and Laura compare notes with Steve and Tim on what separates great sales professionals from everyone else, including the critical role sales engineers play as the technical “source of truth.” The group discusses why integrity is a competitive advantage, how long-term customer relationships are built through honesty rather than hype, and why the fundamentals of listening, follow-up, and curiosity haven’t changed, even as technology has. The conversation also tackles one of today’s biggest questions: what AI means for the future of technology careers. While opinions differ on how dramatically AI will reshape technical roles, everyone agrees that soft skills, communication, and the ability to translate complex technology into business value will remain indispensable. The episode closes with reflections on what hundreds of podcast interviews have taught the hosts about innovation, entrepreneurship, and the common traits shared by successful leaders across industries. Whether you work in sales, engineering, cybersecurity, legal tech, or simply want a thoughtful conversation about where technology and business are headed, this crossover episode delivers practical insights, plenty of laughs, and an honest look at what still matters in an AI-driven world. The Sales Docket Podcast, hosted by Steve Rapp and Tim Garner, is a show focused on modern sales leadership, go-to-market strategy, and the real-world challenges revenue teams face as markets and buyer behavior evolve. Steve and Tim bring hands-on experience from building and scaling sales organizations, and their conversations tend to center on practical execution rather than theory, covering what actually works in today’s competitive selling environment.

  6. 7월 21일

    Your Face Is Your Key. But Is It Secure? with DESLOC's Zoe Zou and Vicky Zhang

    This week on That Tech Pod, we sit down with Vicky Zhang, Chief Product Director at DESLOC, and Zoe Zou, Channel Director at DESLOC, to talk about the future of smart home security and whether smart locks are finally ready for the mainstream. Our conversation explores DESLOC's latest innovation, the V150 Plus, which the company says is the world's first low-light self-charging smart lock. Vicky explains how the technology captures ambient light instead of relying on direct sunlight, making continuous charging practical even for shaded front doors. We also tackle the questions every homeowner has: What happens if the power goes out? What if your Wi-Fi is down? Can someone fool facial recognition with a photo, video, or even a realistic mask? The team breaks down how modern authentication systems use liveness detection and multiple layers of security to defend against spoofing attempts while keeping everyday access simple. Beyond the technology, we challenge the team on the broader question of trust. Are smart locks actually safer than a traditional deadbolt? What have Kickstarter backers taught DESLOC about what consumers really want? And as AI and automation become more common in our homes, where should we draw the line between convenience and control? Whether you're a smart home enthusiast or a healthy skeptic, this episode offers a practical look at where connected home security is headed and the engineering decisions that make it work. Interested in the DESLOC V150 Plus? Check out the Kickstarter campaign here: DESLOC V150 Plus on Kickstarter. DESLOC is a smart home technology company focused on rethinking home access through innovative security solutions. The company develops connected smart locks that combine fingerprint recognition, facial recognition, keypad entry, and mobile access with an emphasis on reliability, ease of use, and security. Its latest product, the DESLOC V150 Plus, uses low-light solar technology to continuously recharge in a wide range of lighting conditions, including shaded entryways and cloudy weather. Vicky Zhang is Chief Product Director at DESLOC, where she leads product strategy and innovation for next-generation smart home security solutions. With extensive experience in smart lock development, user experience design, and authentication technologies, she helps bring innovative products from concept to market. Zoe Zou is Channel Director at DESLOC, working closely with global distribution partners and technology communities to expand the company's international presence while helping shape future product development through market insights.

  7. 7월 14일

    Innovation or Innovation Theater in the Age of AI with Liminal's Steven Walchek

    Artificial intelligence is moving at a pace few organizations have ever experienced, but how much of today's AI adoption is driven by real business value versus fear of being left behind? This week on That Tech Pod, we sit down with Steven Walchek, Founder and CEO of Liminal, for a conversation about what separates companies that are genuinely transforming with AI from those simply putting on a show. Steven shares how growing up around entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley shaped his approach to building companies, his experiences helping scale innovation at Amazon Web Services and FIS, and the lessons learned from launching multiple startups and achieving three successful exits. Along the way, he explains why every major technology wave creates both incredible opportunities and very expensive mistakes. We also dig into why so many organizations fall into "innovation theater," whether executives are adopting AI because of business strategy or fear of missing the next big thing, and which technologies from the past two decades proved to be underrated or wildly overhyped. Steven offers an honest perspective on where enterprise AI is heading, what regulated industries need to get right, and the AI investments companies may look back on with regret just a few years from now. If you're trying to separate AI hype from lasting business value, this is an episode you won't want to miss. Steven Walchek is the Founder and CEO of Liminal, where he helps large regulated enterprises securely scale generative AI with the right balance of governance, visibility, and multi-model access. He’s spent more than 15 years building and scaling companies across fintech, cloud, and enterprise software, focused on turning emerging technologies into real operational advantage. Before Liminal, Steven was EVP and Chief Innovation Officer at FIS, where he led corporate venture initiatives, launched new business lines, and built multiple subsidiary companies. Earlier in his career at Amazon Web Services, he worked on early machine learning and cloud infrastructure initiatives while helping expand the partner ecosystem and drive new revenue growth. He’s also been involved in three successful exits, including DebtMarket, the fintech company he co-founded and later sold to Intercontinental Exchange. Today, he focuses on helping regulated industries adopt AI at scale without losing control, security, or trust.

  8. 7월 7일

    AI, Product Leadership, and Growth with Mitratech's Justin Silverman

    Laura has been looking forward to this one for a while. On this episode of That Tech Pod, we sit down with Justin Silverman, the Chief Operating Officer of Legal Solutions at Mitratech, to talk about what it really takes to build and scale enterprise software in the age of AI. Justin has led product organizations across legal technology, insurance technology, and enterprise SaaS, giving him a unique perspective on how different industries adopt technology, where product strategy succeeds or fails, and why organizational leadership becomes just as important as product innovation as companies grow. We discuss the surprising similarities and differences between building software for lawyers versus insurance professionals, the balance between product decisions and people decisions, and what changes when you're responsible for one of the largest legal software portfolios in the industry. The conversation also takes a practical look at AI beyond the marketing headlines. Justin shares how Mitratech is approaching AI both inside the business and for customers, where employees are still hesitant to embrace AI in their daily work, and whether AI has actually made product management easier or simply raised expectations for everyone involved. We also explore why legal spending continues to rise despite decades of technology-driven efficiency gains and the costly mistakes software companies make when chasing growth instead of solving real customer problems. If you're interested in product leadership, AI adoption, legal technology, or simply how large software organizations make strategic decisions, this episode offers an inside look from someone helping shape the future of enterprise legal software. Justin Silverman is Chief Operating Officer of Legal Solutions at Mitratech, leading Product Management, Engineering, and Operations across the Legal Solutions division, with responsibility for bringing AI-powered solutions to customers and driving AI adoption across Mitratech's own operations. In March 2021, he joined Mitratech from Vertafore, a software provider in the insurance industry, where he led product management for their insurance agency management system business. Prior to Vertafore, he was VP of Product Management and General Manager of LexisNexis CounselLink, an e-billing and matter management solution. Justin's experience spans growing B2B software businesses, solving complex customer problems, and driving performance across large, cross-functional teams.

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Welcome to That Tech Pod, a podcast co-hosted by Laura Milstein, Gabi Schulte and Kevin Albert. Each Tuesday, That Tech Pod will feature in depth discussions about data privacy, cybersecurity, eDiscovery, and tech innovations with heavy hitters in the industry. Subscribe so you don't miss an episode! Visit thattechpod.com for more information.

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