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When It Clicked

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What if the justice system was about more than punishment? What if it actually helped people build more stable, productive lives and safer communities in the process? In Season 2 of When it Clicked, we're showing you what a better justice system looks and feels like. Instead of just focusing on what's broken, we're exploring what’s already working and what we need to do more of – and where there are glaring gaps. We’ll hear from some industry legends, including a major film producer on how we can think differently about youth accountability, a tech CEO on how to modernize prison data systems with AI, and the head of a major government institution on how to change prison so it can change people. Join host Ana Zamora as she finds out when it clicked for them, and why we should all care about a better way forward for our justice system.

  1. 2025. 12. 17.

    A Better Way To Right Wrongs in the Justice System with Maya Moore Irons & Jonathan Irons

    What would it look like if our justice system could identify when we get things wrong – and actually fix those mistakes? WNBA legend Maya Moore stepped away from basketball at the peak of her career to help free Jonathan Irons, who spent over 20 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. Now married, their story reveals what's possible when we stay connected across prison walls, fight to make the system more accountable, and refuse to accept injustice.  To learn more, visit Maya and Jonathan’s nonprofit at winwithjustice.org, and be sure to check out their documentary, Breakaway.  Follow When it Clicked wherever you get your podcasts. Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. Want to become a Lemonada superfan? Join us at joinsubtext.com/lemonadasuperfan. Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and all other Lemonada series: lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  2. 2025. 12. 17.

    A Better Way For Prisons To Leverage AI with Clementine Jacoby

    How can new technologies help prisons improve outcomes for people and communities? Outdated systems mean incarcerated people often lack a clear pathway to release – and might even overstay their prison sentence simply because of disorganized data. Clementine Jacoby, CEO and cofounder of Recidiviz, is tackling this problem by working with corrections departments across the country to modernize their data systems and introduce AI solutions. By enabling prisons to do their jobs more efficiently and effectively, Recidiviz has helped 156,000 incarcerated people safely return home and saved states more than 1.3 billion dollars.  To learn more about the work happening at Recidiviz, visit recidiviz.org. Follow When it Clicked wherever you get your podcasts. Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. Want to become a Lemonada superfan? Join us at joinsubtext.com/lemonadasuperfan. Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and all other Lemonada series: lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  3. 2025. 12. 10.

    A Better Way to Treat Kids Who Make Mistakes with Scott Budnick

    How can we think differently about accountability for kids in the justice system? Hollywood producer Scott Budnick built his career making blockbuster hits like The Hangover, but his real passion is working with incarcerated youth. In this episode, Scott talks about how one visit to a juvenile hall reshaped his purpose and set him on a mission to support young people caught in the justice system. As founder of the Anti-Recidivism Coalition and CEO of 1Community, Scott is helping youth rewrite their stories – and pushing for a system that gives them a real chance. Learn more about the Anti Recidivism Coalition at antirecidivism.org and 1Community at 1community.com. Follow When it Clicked wherever you get your podcasts. Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. Want to become a Lemonada superfan? Join us at joinsubtext.com/lemonadasuperfan. Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and all other Lemonada series: lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  4. 2025. 12. 10.

    A Better Way to Make Communities Safer with Aqeela Sherrills

    What if the key to safer cities isn’t harsher punishments, but more peacebuilding? Aqeela Sherrills helped broker the 1992 peace treaty between the Bloods and Crips – an agreement that cut LA homicides nearly in half. Since then, he’s been using that same approach to transform neighborhoods across America as co-founder of the Community-Based Public Safety Collective, where he trains everyday people in conflict resolution and deescalation strategies alongside local law enforcement. After decades pioneering this work, Aqeela brings us a better way for communities to reclaim safety, restore trust, and heal from within. Watch Aqeela Sherrills’ Ted Talk, “The grassroots movement transforming public safety" and learn about Community-Based Public Safety Collective at cbpscollective.org and Scaling Safety at scalesafety.org. Follow When it Clicked wherever you get your podcasts. Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. Want to become a Lemonada superfan? Join us at joinsubtext.com/lemonadasuperfan. Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and all other Lemonada series: lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  5. 2025. 12. 10.

    A Better Way to Hold People Accountable with Josh Smith

    How can we transform prisons so they can actually transform people? That question is at the heart of Deputy Director Josh Smith's work at the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the very system that once incarcerated him. After serving five years in federal prison, he's dedicated his life to improving public safety through prison reform, and now he's the first formerly incarcerated person to help lead the Bureau of Prisons. Deputy Smith knows just how important it is to plan for reentry from day one, which is why he’s helping create a better environment for the people inside so they can actually do the hard work of rehabilitation. Follow When it Clicked wherever you get your podcasts. Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. Want to become a Lemonada superfan? Join us at joinsubtext.com/lemonadasuperfan. Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and all other Lemonada series: lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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    When It Clicked Season 2 (Official Trailer)

    The American justice system punishes millions of people every year. That’s what we expect it to do – punish wrongdoing. That’s what we call justice. But what if it could do something more, something that would make this country better, stronger, and safer? In Season 2 of When It Clicked, host Ana Zamora sits down with a surprising mix of leaders and experts who are showing what a better, more productive justice system actually looks and feels like – from how to handle kids who commit crimes, to how new technology can change outcomes in prison. This season, you’ll see how making key changes to how we do justice in America actually benefits all of us. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  7. 2025. 02. 12.

    Kerry Washington: Rewriting Justice Through Storytelling

    What happens when an award-winning actress, producer, director, author, and activist uses her platform to shine a light on the criminal justice system? Kerry Washington's recent projects, UnPrisoned and Daughters, tell stories of incarceration, family separation, unification, and love that we rarely get to see. In our conversation, she explains how portraying a daughter navigating her father's return from prison transformed her understanding of reentry and gets personal about how the system has impacted her own family. You can check out Unprisoned on Hulu and stream Daughters on Netflix. Follow When it Clicked wherever you get your podcasts, or listen ad-free on Amazon Music with your Prime Membership. Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. Want to become a Lemonada superfan? Join us at joinsubtext.com/lemonadasuperfan. Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and all other Lemonada series: lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. To follow along with a transcript, go to lemonadamedia.com/show/ shortly after the air date. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  8. 2025. 02. 12.

    Jeanne Woodford: Reforming San Quentin From the Inside

    What does it mean to be smart on crime? Jeanne Woodford, former warden at San Quentin State prison, has been a longtime advocate for rehabilitation. In our conversation, she offers a new vision of what prisons could look like, from removing prison cells to providing opportunities for incarcerated people to garden, take college courses, and even play chess with correctional officers.  Follow When it Clicked wherever you get your podcasts, or listen ad-free on Amazon Music with your Prime Membership. Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. Want to become a Lemonada superfan? Join us at joinsubtext.com/lemonadasuperfan. Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and all other Lemonada series: lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. To follow along with a transcript, go to lemonadamedia.com/show/ shortly after the air date. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What if the justice system was about more than punishment? What if it actually helped people build more stable, productive lives and safer communities in the process? In Season 2 of When it Clicked, we're showing you what a better justice system looks and feels like. Instead of just focusing on what's broken, we're exploring what’s already working and what we need to do more of – and where there are glaring gaps. We’ll hear from some industry legends, including a major film producer on how we can think differently about youth accountability, a tech CEO on how to modernize prison data systems with AI, and the head of a major government institution on how to change prison so it can change people. Join host Ana Zamora as she finds out when it clicked for them, and why we should all care about a better way forward for our justice system.

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