Michael Heiser called it the unseen realm: the world Scripture describes and the modern West has stopped seeing. Look around the room you are sitting in and name what is real. Most of us stop at the books, the walls, the chair, the things we can see and touch. But if we believe the Bible, God made things visible and invisible, and both are fully real. In this second episode of Between Two Realms, Pastor Andre builds on episode one and the experience of disenchantment, asking whether even Christians quietly live as functional deists: believing God is out there, but not that he really interacts with us or our world. Drawing on Michael Heiser, Hans Boersma and Meredith Kline, he makes the case that Scripture assumes one cosmos in two registers, visible and invisible, both central to the gospel. Not two separate universes: one creation, two registers, one Lord, one story. CHAPTERS 00:00 Cold open: name what is real in your room 00:28 Title sequence 00:39 What is real? Visible and invisible 02:49 Do we live like functional deists? 10:47 Michael Heiser and the unseen realm 15:10 Boersma: creation as a window, not a wall 18:42 One creation, two registers 24:47 The seeker's tragedy 27:18 Strange passages as windows 29:30 How we lost the sacred: buffered vs porous 32:51 Ravenous for the supernatural 38:19 Not fear, not sensationalism, but theology REFERENCED ALONG THE WAY - Michael Heiser, The Unseen Realm, and Psalm 82 on the divine council of the Elohim - Meredith Kline on the cosmos in two registers, the upper (invisible) and lower (visible) - Hans Boersma, Heavenly Participation, and the sacramental tapestry: creation as a window rather than a wall - Charles Taylor on the buffered versus the porous self - C.S. Lewis, The Discarded Image, on the crowded pre-modern sky - Christian Smith on moralistic therapeutic deism - Colossians 1:16 ("all things were created... visible and invisible") and the Nicene Creed on things visible and invisible - Genesis 1:1 (the heavens and the earth), and the strange passages Heiser reads as windows: the witch of Endor, the rich man and Lazarus, and 1 Peter on Christ preaching to the imprisoned spirits Episode 1 (start here, the experience of disenchantment): https://youtu.be/qFfqp0d3H9o Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/g3DvbNGN2rE Website: https://between-two-realms.pages.dev/
