Pantsuit Politics

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Pantsuit Politics is the news and politics podcast for people exhausted by outrage. Hosts Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers tackle the week's biggest political stories from genuinely different perspectives, and prove that civility, nuance, and good-faith disagreement are still possible. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Distributed by Lemonada Media.

3 days ago

Make America Unvaccinated Again

Sarah and Beth dig into the new executive order on childhood vaccines and the request for information the Department of Health and Human Services issued on August 24 — what "shared clinical decision making" actually means, why unbundling the MMR shot asks far more of families than this administration has shown any willingness to make possible, and how two measles deaths in Pennsylvania were both foreseeable and foreseen. Sarah talks candidly about the years she kept one of her own children on an alternate vaccine schedule and what it took to come back from it. Then Beth sits down with Beth Sumner of Grandparents for Vaccines, whose brother contracted polio in 1954, one year before the Salk vaccine became available, and who describes what that did to him and to their whole family across the next six decades. Outside of Politics, they get into the things from their youth that hold up, the things that really do not, and a genuinely contentious disagreement about whether "American Pie" is any good. Pantsuit Politics is in Minneapolis this weekend for its one and only live show of 2026. In-person tickets are sold out, but virtual tickets are still available and are buy one, get one half off. Pantsuit Politics is listener-supported. To join the community of paid subscribers who make the show possible, subscribe on Substack. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
5 days ago

Dolly Parton Was Never Afraid of Change

Sarah opens by calling it what it is — a national day of mourning — and she and Beth spend the hour on the only thing anybody's feed is showing them: Dolly Parton, dead at 80. They trace the fork in the road that turned a prolific Hall of Fame country star into a global icon, from the podcast and the Drunk History episode to the Miley and Taylor of it all and America's unbelievable hunger for a unifying figure. Sarah makes the case that the most under-discussed thing about Dolly Parton is her shrewdness — saying no to Elvis, keeping her publishing, running a hyper-professional business out of Tennessee her whole life — and that she likes that woman a great deal more than the angel-on-earth version. Beth talks about using this week with her daughters to describe what a good life and a good death actually look like, and about what it means to come into enormous wealth from a background of being poor but happy. They get into the wigs as a shield, the sincerity underneath the artifice, the faith that ran through all of it, and how on earth she escaped the last ten years of polarization without ever making the statement everyone demanded. Along the way: the Imagination Library, the My People Fund, the Moderna money, Steel Magnolias, and why "I Will Always Love You" is a business breakup song. In-person tickets for our August 29 live show in Minneapolis are sold out, but virtual tickets are still available and are buy one, get one half off. This is our only live gathering in 2026: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/2026-events Support the show and get access to Morning Assembly, bonus episodes, and the best community on the internet: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
6 days ago

Why Everything Feels Unhinged for Women

Sarah opens with a simple question — what's going on with the ladies? — and she and Beth spend the hour discovering that you can't answer it without first describing the sexism everyone is swimming in. They walk through head-of-household voting being discussed openly in respectable rooms, promotions blocked at the Pentagon on the basis of sex and race, and a bipartisan IVF provision for military families killed in committee. Then they turn to Natalie Harp, the aide who follows the president with a printer, and the strange insistence from her defenders that a thirty-five-year-old woman with enormous daily influence is somehow both above and below criticism. Sarah and Beth talk about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez filming her egg retrieval and why Republicans are genuinely stuck on IVF, about Susie Wiles and Darline Graham and two very different theories of how a woman gets power, and about the women showing up in pink outside the Lindsay Clancy trial. Outside of Politics, they compare notes on nostalgia concerts: Sarah saw En Vogue, TLC, and Salt-N-Pepa in Franklin and is ready to tap out, while Beth saw Garth Brooks in Indianapolis and will take any live music ticket you offer her. In-person tickets for our August 29 live show in Minneapolis are sold out, but virtual tickets are still available and are buy one, get one half off. This is our only live gathering in 2026: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/2026-events Support the show and get access to Morning Assembly, bonus episodes, and the best community on the internet: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com The Korean skincare brand everyone is talking about. Our listeners get 20% off their entire order by using code PANTSUIT at jiyuskin.com/PANTSUIT #JIYU #ad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
21 Aug

Has America's Time Come? The Odyssey, the $40 Trillion Debt, and a New World Order

Beth watched Christopher Nolan's Odyssey this summer and could not stop thinking about it as an extensive metaphor for American politics. We ended up talking about disorientation, the allies we've spit in the eye of, the moment Odysseus blinds the Cyclops he'd already escaped from, and whether America's time has come. Then, Outside of Politics, we're sharing part of our crossover with Knox and Jamie at The Popcast about the odyssey that is podcasting. In-person tickets for our August 29 live show in Minneapolis are sold out, but virtual tickets are still available and are buy one, get one half off. This is our only live gathering in 2026: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/2026-events Support the show and get access to our new morning talk show, bonus episodes, and the best community on the internet: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
18 Aug

Was This Summer the Worst?

Sarah and Beth are back together after summer break, and they're starting with the question everyone seems to be asking: was this summer the worst? They work through the cyclospora outbreak and what it means to not trust the salad or the information about the salad, the storms that keep coming, the war narrative that changed every forty-eight hours, and the new polling showing Trump losing ground with his strongest supporters. They dig into what the Michigan Senate primary did to Haley Stevens and what that says about the people who cover politics, why AOC calling Woke 1.0 crazy might be a gift to the Democratic Party, and why data centers can go up in months while a bridge takes ten years. Then, because dark times have always made good music, they hand out the first-ever Pantsuit Politics Music Awards — song of the summer, album of the summer, and new and noteworthy. We are in Minneapolis on August 29 — in-person tickets close Wednesday morning, and virtual tickets are buy one, get one free: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/2026-events Support the show and get access to News Briefs, Spicy Live bonus episodes, and community: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
14 Aug

Feeling Powerless in a Red State? Meet the Mulligans

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11 Aug

Democratic Socialists Are Winning. Now What?

Beth is still on vacation, so Sarah drafted a guest co-host she's been married to for 23 years. Sarah and Nicholas run through the headlines — Iran's "low-key" chess game, the cost of absolutely everything, and the Flock cameras multiplying across the country — before digging into the state of the Democratic Party: the DSA's rise, AOC, purity tests, and why Barack Obama is somehow still the party's leader. Then, Outside of Politics, the full report on the Hollands' 3,000-mile RV trip from hell — eight states, four national parks, one brutal adenovirus, and a PSA about the rental company. Join us in Minneapolis on August 29 — or grab a virtual ticket to watch the live show from home: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/2026-events Support the show and get access to News Briefs, Spicy Live bonus episodes, and community: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Iran Trump to Axios: "We are low-keying it" with Iran (Axios): https://www.axios.com/2026/08/09/trump-iran-interview The Economy July jobs report: US economy shed 23,000 jobs (NBC News): https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/july-2026-jobs-report-rcna591138 The Employment Situation — July 2026 (BLS): https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm Chick-fil-A keeps winning over customers despite quietly increasing prices by 55% (Market Realist): https://marketrealist.com/how-much-have-menu-prices-of-chick-fil-a-gone-up/ Substack essay on Chick-fil-A pricing that Sarah mentioned (add link) Surveillance & Flock Cameras The New York Times on Flock cameras (add link) How rogue officers turned a nationwide camera network into a tool for stalking (The Washington Post): https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/08/02/how-police-officers-used-vast-network-cameras-spy-their-exes/ Police cameras tracked one driver 526 times in four months, lawsuit says (NBC News): https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/virginia-police-used-flock-cameras-track-driver-safety-lawsuit-surveil-rcna230399 The Democratic Party Platner's Top Strategist on What Went Wrong | The Ezra Klein Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xET1CqVTrNE Pantsuit Politics on the Reagan legacy (add link) Outside of Politics: The RV Trip Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library — Plan Your Visit: https://www.trlibrary.com/visit Medora Musical: https://medora.com/medoramusical/ Pitchfork Steak Fondue: https://medora.com/pitchforksteakfondue/ Sun Tours — Blackfeet-owned tours of Glacier National Park: https://www.suntours.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
7 Aug

My Hometown Is Getting a $100 Billion Data Center

The breaking news in Sarah's hometown is the breaking news everywhere: Paducah, Kentucky is getting a $100 billion data center. Sarah is joined by Lacey Bowling, head of Paducah Cooperative Ministries, to talk about what the anti-data center backlash gets right and wrong — water, power bills, pollution, tax subsidies — and the deeper story: a trust vacuum at every level of government and a growing sense that the wealth isn't for the rest of us. Outside of Politics: their kids are officially high school seniors. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Julia Louis-Dreyfus returns for Season 4 of her award-winning podcast, Wiser Than Me™. Each week, she has funny, touching, personal conversations with iconic older women who are brimming with the kind of unapologetic attitude and wisdom that only comes with age. Julia sits at the feet of some extraordinary teachers this season, and of course her 91-year-old mom, Judith. Tune in to laugh, cry, and get wise. All Hail Old Women! Photo: Ryan Pfluger and August Image

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Two-time Peabody Award–winning comedian Hasan Minhaj talks with politicians, public figures, and experts from finance to psychology to astrophysics. In a media culture dominated by certainty, Hasan leads with curiosity, doubt, and a commitment to keep his guests laughing no matter how dark the subject matter. The result is that no matter the personality or topic, we all learn something we didn’t know. Sales and Distribution by Lemonada Media https://lemonadamedia.com/

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Gretchen Rubin is HAPPIER, and she wants you to be happier too. The #1 bestselling author of The Happiness Project and Better Than Before gets more personal than ever as she brings her practical, manageable advice about happiness and good habits to this lively, thought-provoking podcast. Gretchen’s cohost and guinea pig is her younger sister, Elizabeth Craft, a TV writer and producer living in Los Angeles, who (lovingly) refers to Gretchen as her happiness bully. Sales and Distribution by Lemonada Media https://lemonadamedia.com/

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It’s time to travel back to the Jeffersonian – this time, with an insider tour from the squint squad who made “Bones” one of the longest-running primetime dramas in TV history. Emily Deschanel (Dr. Temperance “Bones” Brennan) and Carla Gallo (Daisy Wick) are besties who met on set and are ready to take you back to the beginning, episode by episode. How did the show start? Which first-season episode aired out of order? Why did the Angelator become the Angelatron? And shouldn’t Brennan have been wearing gloves or something when she was reconstructing that skull? (The answer is yes.) Emily and Carla will also interview the cast, the crew, the directors, and the producers who made the show so special. Whether you’re a new watcher or already King of the Lab, we promise this rewatch will save you from ever saying “I don’t know what that means” again.

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Sarah Stewart Holland

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Beth Silvers

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Nicholas

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Laura Tremaine

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Charlie Klauer

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Tracy Kaplan

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Dr. Lauren Pinkston

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Pantsuit Politics is the news and politics podcast for people exhausted by outrage. Hosts Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers tackle the week's biggest political stories from genuinely different perspectives, and prove that civility, nuance, and good-faith disagreement are still possible. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Distributed by Lemonada Media.