We measure a forest by the height of its trees, but its future takes root lower, in the understory. Colleges, churches, and schools are part of that soil: formative communities shaping the moral imagination of future leaders. Those who lead them are stewards, not mere administrators, and they steward under strain—fiscal pressure, threatened accreditation, political scrutiny, phone-shaped students, and a doubting public. Shirley Hoogstra, president emerita of the Council for Christian Colleges & Universities (CCCU), handed four leaders a phrase from the Comment Manifesto. Robin Baker of George Fox University argues we face not a season of change but a change of age. Houghton University's Shirley Mullen insists that institutions need constant tending. Aaron Winkle of Grand Rapids Christian Schools tells what a student named Max taught him about being loved. And bishop Claude Alexander turns the premise back: Those who form others must themselves be formed. Recorded in the Virginia Mae Center on the Understory festival's final morning. Mentioned: Restless Devices: Recovering Personhood, Presence, and Place in the Digital Age, by Felicia Wu Song; the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5–7); a New York Times essay on Deep Springs College; the work of Robert Putnam and Aaron Renn; the festival debate between David Brooks and Ross Douthat; the Comment Manifesto Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at team@comment.org. The Understory is a production of Comment (comment.org), published by Cardus (cardus.ca). Hosted by Anne Snyder. Edited by Allie Crummy. Produced by Tiffany Thompson and Evan Rosa. Episode Highlights "We're not living through a season of change but a change of age, which requires reinvention rather than just strengthening." (Robin Baker, quoting Aaron Renn) "They are foundational. But they are foundational in the way that agriculture is foundational, not the way that stone walls are foundational." (Shirley Mullen, on the necessity and value of institutions) "I would never go work at an … institution that wasn't fully committed to including students of all abilities. Not because it's good for them. But because I need it." (Aaron Winkle, on full inclusion) "Clarity about from whom the trust comes, for whom the trust is exercised, to whom the trust goes." (Claude Alexander, on stewardship) "There was simply no response that was adequate. So I simply had to listen." (Robin Baker, on a public reckoning in Portland) About the Panel Shirley Hoogstra, moderator, is president emerita of the Council for Christian Colleges & Universities, which she led from 2014 to 2024. Robin Baker is a historian and president of George Fox University in Newberg, Oregon, a role he has held since 2007. Shirley Mullen is a historian, president emerita of Houghton University, and author of Claiming the Courageous Middle. Aaron Winkle is superintendent of Grand Rapids Christian Schools and former head of school at Living Stones Academy. Claude Alexander is bishop and senior pastor of The Park Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, and author of Necessary Christianity. Helpful Links and Resources Robin Baker, president of George Fox University: https://www.georgefox.edu/about/president/index.html Claiming the Courageous Middle, by Shirley Mullen: https://bakerpublishinggroup.com/authors/shirley-a-mullen/3799 Grand Rapids Christian Schools: https://www.grcs.org Becoming the Church: God's People in Purpose and Power, by Claude R. Alexander Jr.: https://www.ivpress.com/becoming-the-church "Shirley: A Lasting Legacy," on Shirley Hoogstra's CCCU tenure: https://www.cccu.org/magazine/shirley-lasting-legacy Restless Devices: Recovering Personhood, Presence, and Place in the Digital Age, by Felicia Wu Song (2021): https://ivpress.com/restless-devices #TheUnderstory #CommentMagazine #RenewalAndTheAcademy #HigherEducation #ChristianHumanism #InstitutionalStewardship #ChristianEducation #Leadership