Beyond the Resume

Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker
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Co-hosted by industry veterans, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker, the weekly Beyond the Resume Podcast features interviews with some of the best known real estate experts in the U.S. By exploring how they built their successful careers and the impact they have made to the communities around them we hope to educate and inspire anyone building or thinking of building a career in real estate. Join us as we go Beyond the Resume.

  1. Beyond the Resume with Matthew Janeczko (Finding Faith in Housing)

    HACE 5 DÍAS

    Beyond the Resume with Matthew Janeczko (Finding Faith in Housing)

    How do you go from Catholic friar to leading a rapidly growing affordable housing organization? In this episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa sits down with Matthew Janeczko, CEO of Sisters of Charity Housing Development Corporation, to unpack one of the most unconventional journeys into affordable housing leadership. Matthew shares how he accidentally entered the industry with no prior experience—and went on to double his organization’s housing portfolio to 1,500 units across New York. From faith-based development to scaling operations, he explains how mission-driven work, problem-solving, and relationship-building have fueled rapid growth. This conversation dives deep into: The critical role of affordable housing in addressing homelessnessHow faith-based organizations are shaping housing developmentWhy there’s no “cookie-cutter” path into the industryThe importance of services, tenant stability, and community-buildingLeadership lessons from the priesthood applied to real estate development Whether you’re looking to break into affordable housing, scale a mission-driven organization, or better understand how housing impacts lives, this episode offers practical insights and powerful perspective. CHAPTERS (00:24) Origins of Sisters of Charity Housing (03:54) Scaling to 1,500 Units and Building a System (05:12) From Catholic Priest to Housing CEO (07:17) Learning Affordable Housing During the Pandemic (08:53) Growth Strategy: Faith, Relationships, and Opportunity (10:39) Faith-Based Development Challenges and Opportunities (13:07) No Cookie-Cutter Approach to Housing (16:42) Housing as the Foundation for Stability (18:55) Vision: 2,000 Units by 2030 (23:45) Daily Routine and Fatherhood Grounding (25:16) Hiring Philosophy and Building Culture LINKS YouTube: https://youtu.be/V9Q54I9VDCE Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9

    28 min
  2. Beyond the Resume Podcast with Laura Fanucchi (Making Housing HIP)

    23 MAR

    Beyond the Resume Podcast with Laura Fanucchi (Making Housing HIP)

    In this episode of Beyond the Resume, we sit down with Laura Fanucchi, Director of Programs at HIP Housing, to explore a remarkable 30+ year career in affordable housing and social services in San Mateo County, California. Laura shares how a background in psychology and early work with vulnerable families led her to a lifelong mission: helping individuals and families find stable, affordable housing in one of the most challenging markets in the country. From pioneering home-sharing programs to launching housing readiness initiatives for seniors, Laura offers a front-line perspective on the evolving housing crisis in Silicon Valley. The conversation dives into the growing issue of senior homelessness, the power of trauma-informed care, and how HIP Housing supports over 700 individuals annually through innovative programs like home sharing, self-sufficiency housing, and resource hubs. Laura also reflects on leadership, staff retention in mission-driven organizations, and how compassion and personal resilience shape impactful careers. Whether you're interested in affordable housing, nonprofit leadership, social services, or career growth with purpose, this episode provides valuable insights into making a real difference in your community. CHAPTERS (02:18) What Is HIP Housing? Programs & Impact (06:17) From Psychology to Nonprofit Housing Career (07:21) Inside HIP Housing’s Four Core Programs (10:29) The Growing Housing Crisis & Senior Homelessness (14:13) 30 Years of Change in Housing Access (18:25) Compassion, Upbringing & Career Motivation (21:01) Preventing Burnout: Trauma-Informed Leadership (25:26) Retaining Talent in Mission-Driven Workforces LINKS YouTube: https://youtu.be/itCFUDCBCu4 Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9 -- affordable housing, nonprofit leadership, housing crisis California, senior homelessness, social services careers, trauma informed care, HIP Housing, Silicon Valley housing, nonprofit career journey, home sharing programs

    26 min
  3. Beyond the Resume Podcast with Richard Roberts (Accidental Leader, Intentional Impact)

    16 MAR

    Beyond the Resume Podcast with Richard Roberts (Accidental Leader, Intentional Impact)

    How does affordable housing actually get built—and who makes the financing work? In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Richard Roberts, Principal and Chief Business Development Officer at Redstone Equity Partners, for a deep dive into the world of affordable housing finance, real estate development, and public-private partnerships. Roberts shares the story behind his unconventional career path—from growing up in Akron, Ohio and attending Yale Law School to becoming Commissioner of the New York City Department of Housing Preservation and Development at just 31 years old, overseeing a $1.5 billion budget and 1,200 employees while helping produce 30,000 housing units. The conversation also explores Roberts’ role in helping launch the Urban Investment Group at Goldman, a platform focused on investing in urban real estate and minority-led businesses, and how mission-driven capital can shape communities. Today, Roberts works with developers across the country at Redstone Equity Partners, helping structure Low Income Housing Tax Credit (LIHTC) transactions and connecting affordable housing developers with banks and insurance companies that provide the equity needed to build housing. Along the way, Roberts reflects on the major themes of his career: • The intersection of government policy and private investment • Why relationships drive the affordable housing industry • Lessons from running a major public agency at a young age • How innovative housing finance programs get created • The realities of working in government vs the private sector If you work in real estate, affordable housing, urban development, housing policy, or community investment, this episode offers a rare insider perspective on how housing deals get financed and built across the United States. Chapters (01:38) – Meet Richard Roberts (02:48) – What Redstone Equity Partners Does (05:59) – Growing Up in Akron (08:58) – Becoming NYC Housing Commissioner at 31 (14:31) – Launching Goldman’s Urban Investment Group (19:16) – The Public–Private Career Theme (27:02) – Government vs Private Sector Work (37:23) – Creating an Innovative Housing Program

    39 min
  4. Beyond the Resume podcast with Sarah Garland (Financing the gap)

    9 MAR

    Beyond the Resume podcast with Sarah Garland (Financing the gap)

    In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Sarah Garland, Interim Head of Affordable Housing at CBRE, to discuss the evolving world of affordable housing finance, career growth in commercial real estate, and the human impact behind the deals. Sarah shares how CBRE’s Affordable Housing Group operates nationally across debt financing, investment sales, and investment banking—supporting developers who build or refinance properties with income or rent restrictions. She explains how financing tools like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, FHA loans, and bridge lending help make “Capital A Affordable” housing projects possible. The conversation explores Sarah’s unconventional path into the industry—from working with a small homebuilder to the Housing Department of Los Angeles and later spending 13 years at Fannie Mae before joining CBRE. Along the way, she reflects on how she discovered her true strengths as a deal structurer and manager, rather than a business originator. Sarah also shares practical career advice for students and early-career professionals interested in affordable housing and real estate finance. Her key tips include conducting informational interviews, building strong professional networks, and remembering that your first job likely won’t define your entire career. The discussion dives into the biggest challenge facing affordable housing today: rising construction costs and the difficulty of assembling enough financing to make deeply affordable projects feasible. Despite those hurdles, Sarah emphasizes the powerful mission behind the industry—helping working families access housing they can afford. One of the most powerful moments of the episode comes when Sarah recounts witnessing a resident win a housing lottery for an affordable unit in New York. Watching someone realize they could finally live in a home they never thought possible reinforced why affordable housing work matters. From leadership lessons and hiring philosophy to mentorship and industry collaboration, this episode offers an inside look at the people and partnerships that make affordable housing development possible. If you’re interested in affordable housing finance, commercial real estate careers, housing policy, or mission-driven development, this conversation delivers valuable insights from one of the industry’s leading voices. CHAPTERS (02:28) Inside CBRE’s Affordable Housing Platform (04:19) What Affordable Housing Financing Actually Means (07:12) Sarah’s Career Journey into Real Estate (19:24) Career Advice for Students Entering the Industry (21:42) Biggest Challenges in Affordable Housing Finance (24:00) A Powerful Resident Story That Defines the Work (33:42) What Sarah Looks for When Hiring LINKS YouTube: https://youtu.be/mNUixd3qBt4 Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9 -- Affordable housing, affordable housing finance, CBRE affordable housing, commercial real estate careers, affordable housing development, housing finance, real estate leadership, affordable housing industry, housing development financing, Beyond the Resume podcast

    37 min
  5. Beyond the Resume Podcast with Evan Holladay (Scaling impact one block at a time)

    2 MAR

    Beyond the Resume Podcast with Evan Holladay (Scaling impact one block at a time)

    In this episode of Beyond the Resume, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Evan Holladay, founder of Holladay Ventures, to explore how affordable housing development can be both mission-driven and scalable. Evan shares how he transitioned from economics student to affordable housing developer after volunteering with Family Scholar House and witnessing firsthand the impact of housing paired with supportive services. He explains how Holladay Ventures has developed over 1,200 affordable housing units in Nashville in just six years—partnering with nonprofits like Samaritan Recovery Community to combine recovery services and deeply affordable housing in one integrated model. For students, aspiring developers, and impact-driven real estate professionals, this episode offers tactical insights into affordable housing finance, nonprofit partnerships, entrepreneurship, and building a career that blends profit with purpose. Chapters (00:51) Why Holladay Ventures Exists Evan explains launching Holladay Ventures with his wife to build intentionally designed, impact-focused affordable housing in Nashville. (02:13) From Pre-Med to Developer Pivoting from chemistry to economics, discovering student housing development, and earning his first opportunity by adding value. (04:09) Windows, Volunteer Work & The Affordable Housing Spark How volunteering at Family Scholar House revealed the power of real estate to create real community impact. (10:40) First Deals, First Wins Submitting first-ever HOME Fund applications, closing 192 units in Baton Rouge, and cutting his teeth in LIHTC development. (18:15) Podcasting into BiggerPockets Launching a mastermind from scratch, leveraging a BiggerPockets appearance, and building a 12-month affordable housing coaching program. (23:08) Samaritan Recovery Community & Shelby House Redeveloping a nonprofit campus into 195 affordable units plus recovery facilities—and the life-changing story of Chris Proctor. (27:29) Scaling the Model & Solving the Housing Crisis Expansion into Columbus and the Southeast, nonprofit land partnerships, creative capital stacks, and long-term growth plans. LINKS YouTube: https://youtu.be/iafgMuLTaEk Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9

    37 min
  6. Beyond the Resume Podcast with Alex Viorst (Inside the Preservation Lending Playbook)

    23 FEB

    Beyond the Resume Podcast with Alex Viorst (Inside the Preservation Lending Playbook)

    In this episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa sits down with Alex Viorst, Executive Director at PGIM Real Estate, to break down the world of affordable housing finance — with a deep focus on preservation, Section 8 assets, and agency lending. Alex shares how PGIM Real Estate operates within Prudential’s debt and equity platform, how Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and FHA financing work in affordable housing, and why preservation deals have become increasingly competitive. He explains the lending process from loan sizing and pre-screening to HUD applications, rate locks, and closing timelines. With 31 years in the industry, Alex reflects on starting as a construction-to-perm lender at LaSalle National Bank, transitioning from international economic development ambitions at Georgetown to community development in Chicago, and building a career in affordable housing loan originations. He discusses how Section 8 assets evolved from misunderstood risk to highly sought-after investments and how agency production goals influence deal strategy throughout the year. CHAPTERS (01:03) What PGIM Real Estate Actually Does Debt and equity platform under Prudential, agency lending (Fannie, Freddie, FHA), balance sheet lending, and private placement construction-to-perm products. (02:22) How Affordable Housing Loan Originations Work Finding developers, repeat clients, preservation focus, conferences, pre-screens, formal quotes, HUD timelines, and rate locking strategy. (04:30) “Vegetable Soup”: The Complexity of Affordable Housing Terminology overload, legal intricacies, and navigating preservation-specific rules. (05:02) From Georgetown to Chicago International economic development ambitions, business school setbacks, nonprofit lending work, and transition into community development finance. (12:39) The Evolution of Section 8 Preservation How Section 8 went from misunderstood risk to aggressively pursued agency product, increasing competition, and changing developer landscape. (14:20) Agency Appetite and Market Timing Production goals, seasonal strategy shifts, basis point competition, and knowing when to bring deals to Fannie and Freddie. (19:31) Hiring and Leadership Philosophy Fearlessness, Excel proficiency, underwriting experience, self-starters, and the importance of mentorship in building a career. LINKS YouTube: https://youtu.be/hHJgXSwhPxc Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9

    25 min
  7. Beyond the Resume Podcast with Blanca Ramirez (Housing with Heart)

    17 FEB

    Beyond the Resume Podcast with Blanca Ramirez (Housing with Heart)

    In this episode of Beyond the Resume, we sit down with Blanca Ramirez, President and CEO of Comunilife, a New York City–based organization developing supportive and affordable housing alongside essential community-based services. Blanca shares how Comunilife serves thousands of residents through housing, health-focused programming, and prevention initiatives, including Life is Precious, a suicide prevention program created to support Latina teens. Blanca also discusses Comunilife’s medical respite model, which helps individuals transition from hospitals into stable housing, as well as her own unexpected career journey—from early work with homeless seniors, to tax credit syndication at Hudson Housing Capital, and ultimately leading a 300+ employee nonprofit across the Bronx, Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens. This conversation explores nonprofit leadership, culturally competent services, Latino community impact, and Blanca’s advice for young professionals pursuing meaningful work in housing and social services. Chapters (00:01:21) What Comunilife Does: Housing + Services Blanca introduces supportive housing, teen prevention work, and community programs. (00:02:24) How Blanca Found Housing Work From graduate school uncertainty to serving homeless seniors. (00:04:59) Moving Into Housing Finance and Development Her transition from direct services to consulting and syndication. (00:10:22) Life is Precious: Latina Teen Prevention How Comunilife expanded the program across multiple sites. (00:11:49) Medical Respite: Housing After Hospitals Comunilife’s model and success placing people into permanent housing. (00:14:36) Becoming CEO After a Founder Blanca shares how she approached leadership and organizational growth. (00:17:45) Leading Through Workforce and Political Challenges How staff and residents are impacted by today’s climate. (00:25:46) Career Advice: Say Yes, Learn Excel Blanca’s guidance for future nonprofit and housing leaders. Links: YouTube: https://youtu.be/q8kqSRjRjJQ Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9 KEYWORDS: Blanca Ramirez, Comunilife, Supportive Housing, Affordable Housing Development, Latino Community Services, Teen Suicide Prevention, Life is Precious Program, Medical Respite Housing, Nonprofit Leadership, Mission Driven Careers

    40 min
  8. Beyond the Resume Podcast with Joy Horak-Brown (Building Hope in Housing)

    9 FEB

    Beyond the Resume Podcast with Joy Horak-Brown (Building Hope in Housing)

    In this episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa sits down with Joy Horak-Brown, President and CEO of New Hope Housing in Houston, Texas. Joy shares the remarkable origin story of the organization, founded in 1993 through the social outreach efforts of Christ Church Cathedral. What began as a modest initiative with just 40 studio apartments and $75,000 in the bank has grown into a pioneering affordable housing nonprofit serving thousands of Texans. Joy explains how New Hope Housing became the first organization in Texas dedicated to housing formerly homeless residents, and how it has expanded to more than 2,115 deeply affordable apartment homes for individuals, families, and seniors. The conversation explores the challenges of financing affordable housing, the importance of the Low Income Housing Tax Credit program, and the ongoing national need for housing at 30% of area median income and below. Joy also reflects on leadership, professional development, mentorship, and her upcoming transition after 30 years at the helm. From award-winning developments recognized by the Urban Land Institute to building communities with supportive services like preschools, clinics, and green spaces, this episode highlights what it takes to create housing with dignity, quality, and long-term impact. Chapters (00:02:28) From 40 Units to a Statewide Pioneer — How New Hope built the first Texas housing dedicated to formerly homeless citizens. (00:05:57) New Hope Today: 2,115 Apartment Homes — Joy shares the scale of growth and the populations served, from individuals to seniors. (00:08:17) Building a Supportive Housing Campus — A “small town” model with preschool, health clinics, services, and even a prairie park. (00:10:31) Houston’s Changing View on Affordable Housing — How proven quality and long-term success reduced resistance over time. (00:20:17) Financing and Pushback in Early Years — Joy recalls fundraising struggles and skepticism from the City of Houston. (00:25:35) Leadership Transition After 30 Years — Joy discusses succession planning and becoming CEO Emerita. (00:30:34) Joy’s Hot Seat: Favorite Book & Mentorship — Her recommendation of The Nonprofit Board Answer Book and lessons from mentors. LINKS YouTube: https://youtu.be/30IMSwUaBp8 Spotify: https://lnkd.in/eyrNGt53 Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9 ---- affordable housing, New Hope Housing, Joy Horak-Brown, Houston housing development, supportive housing, homelessness solutions, Low Income Housing Tax Credit, nonprofit leadership, Urban Land Institute ULI, deeply affordable housing

    35 min
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Co-hosted by industry veterans, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker, the weekly Beyond the Resume Podcast features interviews with some of the best known real estate experts in the U.S. By exploring how they built their successful careers and the impact they have made to the communities around them we hope to educate and inspire anyone building or thinking of building a career in real estate. Join us as we go Beyond the Resume.

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  • Creador
    Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker
  • Años de actividad
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodios
    118
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