Outbound Kitchen - B2B Sales Podcast

Elric Legloire - The Outbound Chef

Hey Chef, welcome to the Outbound Kitchen! I’m Elric Legloire, your host. The go-to podcast to scale outbound, and turn it into your #1 growth engine. - Cold calls, emails, and social selling. - Building, hiring, and scaling outbound teams. - Creating an outbound motion from scratch. - Using AI to optimize outbound. The goal? A predictable outbound pipeline for your B2B SaaS business. Tune in for solo episodes, interviews, AMAs, and chats with B2B SaaS and GTM leaders. outboundkitchen.substack.com

  1. OK25: How to Build a Profitable Outbound SDR Team: P&L Math, Headcount Decisions, and the 9-Month Payback Reality with Jay Glenn, Founder at Jay Glenn Agency

    29 ENE

    OK25: How to Build a Profitable Outbound SDR Team: P&L Math, Headcount Decisions, and the 9-Month Payback Reality with Jay Glenn, Founder at Jay Glenn Agency

    Grab the SDR P&L Calculator⁠⁠⁠ Ask: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Submit your questions here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (anonymous) Jay Glenn is the founder of Jay Glenn Agency, where he helps B2B companies build financially sustainable SDR programs. After witnessing mass SDR layoffs in 2022, Jay developed a suite of P&L calculators that have become essential tools for SDR leaders proving ROI to their executives. We discuss: - Why 2022 was the wake-up call for SDR financial accountability - The SDR P&L Calculator — walkthrough of inputs, outputs, and the 7.91x return benchmark - The $50K ACV threshold for sustainable SDR models (and why lower ACVs fail) - Customer lifecycle as the most underrated profit lever for SDR teams - When to hire SDRs vs. when to invest in product and full-cycle AEs - The Headcount Gap Calculator for modeling scale decisions - Why inbound and outbound need separate conversion rate assumptions - How to present SDR financials to your board (with or without good news) Referenced: - Jay Glenn on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayglenn/ - Jay Glenn Agency: https://www.jayglenn.co/ - RepView (SDR compensation data): repvue.com - Clay (market research): clay.com - TitanX (phone deliverability): titanx.com When you're ready ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👨‍🍳 Want to work with me? Send me a DM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Connect with me ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📌 Connect on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📹 Subscribe on YouTube ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🐦 Connect on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Chapters: (0:00) The Importance of Financial Metrics in Sales(0:52) Realizing the Need for Financial Focus in Sales(2:07) Efficiency and Market Size Considerations(4:30) Leveraging Tools for Market Understanding(5:34) Evaluating SDR Teams: Common Mistakes and Solutions(7:26) Building and Using Financial Spreadsheets(10:37) Analyzing Historical Data and Future Planning(19:55) Scaling and Headcount Considerations(27:49) Outbound Strategies and Metrics

    42 min
  2. OK24: How DoorDash Scaled Outbound from $291M to $8.6B with Full-Cycle Field Reps, City-Level Ownership, and No SDRs (with Diane Ring)

    21 ENE

    OK24: How DoorDash Scaled Outbound from $291M to $8.6B with Full-Cycle Field Reps, City-Level Ownership, and No SDRs (with Diane Ring)

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠📫 Subscribe to the Outbound Kitchen newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ask: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Submit your questions here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (anonymous) Diane Ring led B2B strategy and operations at DoorDash from 2018 to 2023, joining when the company had ~500 employees and $291M in revenue, and leaving post-IPO with 15,000+ employees and $8.6B in revenue. She was on the leadership team for Merchant Strategy & Operations, where she helped scale the sales team from ~200 reps to thousands across North America and international markets. Most recently, she was Sr. Director of Sales Ops at TouchBistro, leading strategy and ops for a 100+ person GTM organization. We discuss: Why DoorDash used full-cycle field reps with no SDRs — and the 4 reasons handoffs killed velocityThe General Manager model: how city-level ownership created a "general manager of revenue" mindsetThe 3 pillars for scaling outbound infrastructure: data, tooling, and cultureAccount scoring when your data isn't perfect: why "just start somewhere" beats waiting for accuracyHow to adapt outbound playbooks for international expansion (and why US vendors often fail in Canada)AI coaching in practice: real-time monologue alerts, post-call scorecards, and AI roleplay bots for onboardingBuilding rep-centric infrastructure: minimizing CRM fields and reducing tool sprawlConnect with Diane: https://www.linkedin.com/in/diane-ring/ When you're ready ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👨‍🍳 Want to work with me? Send me a DM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Connect with me ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📌 Connect on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📹 Subscribe on YouTube ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🐦 Connect on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (00:52) Joining DoorDash: The Early Days (03:18) Growth and Expansion (04:38) Outbound Sales Strategy (06:05) Field Reps and General Managers (11:32) Data and Tooling for Sales (17:00) Strategy and Operations (23:01) Account Scoring and Market Segmentation (28:12) Evolving Outbound Team Structure (31:13) Navigating International Expansion (32:33) Challenges in Different Markets (36:26) Empathy in Sales Leadership (40:07) Leveraging AI in Sales (44:48) AI Tools for Sales Efficiency (51:09) Consolidating Tech Stacks (57:23) Future of AI in Sales

    59 min
  3. OK23: How to Build SDR Enablement from Scratch: When to Hire, What to Focus On, and the 3 Things Every Outbound Playbook Needs (with Troy Johnson, SDR Enablement at Jumpcloud)

    15 ENE

    OK23: How to Build SDR Enablement from Scratch: When to Hire, What to Focus On, and the 3 Things Every Outbound Playbook Needs (with Troy Johnson, SDR Enablement at Jumpcloud)

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠📫 Subscribe to the Outbound Kitchen newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Ask: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Submit your questions here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (anonymous) --- Troy Johnson is the SDR Enablement Program Manager at JumpCloud, where he supports three outbound and inbound teams across the Americas. After six years as an SDR manager, he transitioned into enablement and ramped himself up by interviewing 15+ enablement leaders externally and using AI to find patterns across the conversations. He now runs a bi-weekly peer group with other SDR enablement managers to share best practices. We discuss: 1. What SDR enablement actually is, the difference between a "head coach" and a "skills coach" 2. How Troy ramped himself up in 90 days by interviewing 15 enablement leaders and using AI to find patterns 3. The three essential components every SDR playbook needs from day one 4. How to split your time between content, coaching, and training (the 30/30/30 framework) 5. When to hire your first SDR enablement person — team size, motions, and complexity signals 6. The ideal onboarding structure: 2-3 weeks of foundations + "Prospecting Bootcamp" through day 60 7. Using AI to accelerate business acumen — the underrated use case most teams miss Connect with Troy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/techsalestroy/ -- When you're ready ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👨‍🍳 Want to work with me? Send me a DM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Connect with me ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📌 Connect on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📹 Subscribe on YouTube ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🐦 Connect on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Chapters (0:00) Introduction to SDR Enablement (0:54) Defining SDR Enablement (3:02) The Importance of SDR Enablement (4:46) Onboarding and Training Strategies (5:18) Ramping Up in SDR Enablement (12:42) Day-to-Day Operations (17:05) Team Structure and Support (21:08) Scaling and Complexity in SDR Teams (24:46) The Role of Enablement in Sales Teams (25:44) Key Components of an SDR Playbook (30:11) Effective Onboarding Strategies (35:09) Leveraging AI for Sales Enablement (40:13) Metrics to Measure Enablement Impact (41:38) AI Tools and Techniques in Sales

    49 min
  4. OK22: How to Cold Call for Higher Connect Rates, Better Conversations, and Meetings That Actually Show Up - with Jason Bay, CEO of Outbound Squad

    8 ENE

    OK22: How to Cold Call for Higher Connect Rates, Better Conversations, and Meetings That Actually Show Up - with Jason Bay, CEO of Outbound Squad

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠📫 Subscribe to the Outbound Kitchen newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Ask: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Submit your questions here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (anonymous) --- In this episode, Jason Bay, Founder of Outbound Squad, breaks down the art and science of cold calling in 2025. He shares data from training companies like Rippling, Shopify, and Zoom, revealing why the average cold call lasts just 80 seconds, and how top reps achieve 25%+ conversion rates while most struggle at 4.6%. Jason walks through his complete cold calling framework: the permission-based opener, reverse pitch, money questions, and the tactics that drive 75-80% show rates. His candid breakdown of what separates average reps from top performers, backed by Gong data from 100K+ calls, provides a masterclass in modern cold calling. - 3 biggest takeaways: - Lead with problems, not product: problem-based language gets 3x more meetings than product pitches - The habit matters more than the outcome: build the weekly rhythm before optimizing the talk track - Customer voice over product voice: steal language directly from sales calls and discovery conversations - Who is Jason Bay? Founder of Outbound Squad, cold calling trainer for companies like Rippling, Shopify, and Zoom Connect with Jason: - On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasondbay/ - Outbound Squad: https://outboundsquad.com - Key stats from this episode: - Average connect rate: 5.4% (top reps hit 13-15%+) - Average conversion rate: 4.6% (top reps hit 20-35%) - Average show rate: 56% (top reps hit 75-80%) - Rippling sources 50% of pipeline from outbound cold calling - Problem-based language: 16% success vs 5.5% for product pitches --- When you're ready ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👨‍🍳 Want to work with me? Send me a DM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Connect with me ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📌 Connect on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📹 Subscribe on YouTube ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🐦 Connect on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Chapters: (00:00) Episode Overview (01:13) Is Cold Calling Dead? (01:57) Cold Calling Effectiveness and Statistics (03:29) Challenges and Strategies in Cold Calling (05:31) The Importance of Relevance and Offers (08:12) Effective Cold Call Openers (13:05) Reverse Pitch and Problem-Based Language (18:28) Tailoring Cold Calls to Different Brands (19:54) Leveraging Customer Language and Patterns (24:52) Building a Weekly Rhythm for Outbound Success (25:59) Creating a Coaching Culture (27:03) Granular Coaching for BDRs (28:15) Improving Call Metrics (30:59) Data Accuracy and Provider Evaluation (34:31) Top Reps and Their Techniques (41:04) Incorporating AI in Sales Training (46:34) Non-Negotiable Cold Calling Principles

    50 min
  5. [GREATEST HITS] 70. How this SDR converts 27.8% of cold calls into meetings in the SaaS industry - Teddy Frank, Ex-Senior SDR @ Atrium

    06/04/2025

    [GREATEST HITS] 70. How this SDR converts 27.8% of cold calls into meetings in the SaaS industry - Teddy Frank, Ex-Senior SDR @ Atrium

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠📫 Subscribe to the Outbound Kitchen newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Ask: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Submit your questions here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (anonymous) -- In this episode, we'll discuss: - The different outbound sequences Teddy uses - His cold-calling framework - How to use your analytics and reports to improve your results Teddy Frank was a top-performing SDR @ Atrium Teddy set a record for the most outbound meetings booked in a quarter (Q1 - 77 meetings). In Q1, he booked 50 meetings via cold calling, with a conversation-to-meeting booked rate of 27.7%. Connect with Teddy on LinkedIn ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/teddy-frank-690b501b7⁠ Here’s a bit more info about Teddy's accounts and buyer personas: - Personas -> 2nd Level+ Sales and RevOps Leaders (occasionally SalesDev) - Industries -> Software Development, IT Services / Consulting, Computer / Network Security - Org Size -> 51+ folks in sales org (ranges from 300 - 10k employees) ---- 📬 For more prospecting and sales development tips, join 3,911 SDRs getting the SDR Game newsletter here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sdrgame.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Connect with me on LinkedIn: Elric Legloire ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/elriclegloire⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ---- Chapters (00:00) Top SDR (03:54) Defining Top Tier Accounts (07:18) Handling Objections and Referrals (10:13) Call Calling Strategies for Booking Meetings (11:10) Philosophy for Booking Meetings with Directors and VPs (12:05) Structuring the Cold Call Pitch (14:24) Using Relevant Statements and Assumptions (15:22) Pain and Solution Statements in the Pitch (18:47) Going for the Close in the Pitch (20:15) Handling Objections and Sending More Information (21:39) Asking for a Specific Follow-Up Time (22:38) Handling Objections to Booking a Meeting (25:05) Researching Prospects and Private Equity Companies (26:30) Understanding the Challenges of Rev Ops Leaders (28:59) Using Research to Improve the Pitch (30:54) Using Analytics to Improve Conversion Rates (32:50) Calling After 5 PM for Better Results (40:59) Advice for New SDRs Get full access to Outbound Kitchen at ⁠outboundkitchen.substack.com/subscribe

    44 min
  6. [GREATEST HITS] 42: The 3 Outbound Pillars: How Tito Bohrt Built 70+ SDR Teams and Sourced Over $100M in Revenue - Tito Bohrt, CEO of Altisales

    23/03/2025

    [GREATEST HITS] 42: The 3 Outbound Pillars: How Tito Bohrt Built 70+ SDR Teams and Sourced Over $100M in Revenue - Tito Bohrt, CEO of Altisales

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠📫 Subscribe to the Outbound Kitchen newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Ask: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Submit your questions here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (anonymous) --- 3 things you'll learn in this episode, the 3 pillars of successful sales development: - Targeting - Outreach Health - Messaging Tito Bohrt is the CEO of Altisales Tito's results: - Has built 70+ SDR teams from the ground up - Sourced over $100M in revenue for his clients. Connect with Tito: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/titobohrt/⁠ Looking for an SDR job? ⁠https://www.altisales.com/careers⁠ --- 📬 For more prospecting and sales development tips, join 3,301 SDRs getting the SDR Game newsletter here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sdrgame.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Connect with me on LinkedIn: Elric Legloire ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/elriclegloire/⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Timestamps: (0:00) Meet the CEO Behind 70+ SDR Team Success Stories (0:54) Multichannel outreach: what’s working today (2:16) Boosting SDR Team Connect Rates (6:49) Crafting Precision: Account Targeting and Scoring Demystified (11:57) Navigating Buyer Personas (15:43) Unlocking Pain Points: Deciphering Prospect Challenges (18:25) Lead Distribution Pitfalls: Two Missteps Costing You Big (23:40) The Pulse of Effective Outreach (25:11) The Ideal Number of Sequences (27:55) When Should You Tweak Your Sequences (30:46) Understanding Statistical Significance in Sales (33:00) Reflection: Tito's Greatest Misstep in Messaging (36:12) 3 Sales Books Transforming Tito’s What He Learned Sales Journey (38:29) Tito's Evolution: what he learned from the Last 5 Years (40:39) Empowering SDRs: Tips from the Frontline Get full access to Outbound Kitchen at ⁠outboundkitchen.substack.com/subscribe

    46 min

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Hey Chef, welcome to the Outbound Kitchen! I’m Elric Legloire, your host. The go-to podcast to scale outbound, and turn it into your #1 growth engine. - Cold calls, emails, and social selling. - Building, hiring, and scaling outbound teams. - Creating an outbound motion from scratch. - Using AI to optimize outbound. The goal? A predictable outbound pipeline for your B2B SaaS business. Tune in for solo episodes, interviews, AMAs, and chats with B2B SaaS and GTM leaders. outboundkitchen.substack.com

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