Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

Thomas Huebl

Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

  1. Pádraig Ó Tuama | Healing Spiritual Trauma

    20 HR AGO

    Pádraig Ó Tuama | Healing Spiritual Trauma

    Can creative expression help us return to ourselves after we’ve experienced spiritual trauma? This week, Thomas sits down with Pádraig Ó Tuama, a distinguished Irish Poet, theologian, and host of the podcast Poetry Unbound, for a profound exploration of spiritual trauma. Pádraig shares about the specific heartbreak of being betrayed by a spiritual community, drawing from his own intense experiences as a young gay man whose sexuality was demonized by his church. Pádraig and Thomas discuss the intertwining of religious identity with politics and colonial history, particularly in Ireland, and share practical, philosophical, spiritual, and artistic approaches to healing from this type of trauma. At the heart of this conversation is the regenerative power of creativity and how art, poetry, and other forms of self-expression are essential to reestablishing a healthy relationship to your identity and your personal faith after trauma. Pádraig also reads his poem “The Exorcism” from his “Seven Deadly Sonnets” collection. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/UbHVywpETVc Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Join Thomas, Pádraig, and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change for 7 days of embodied practices, guided reflection, and powerful interviews at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025. This free, online event will help you deepen your understanding of trauma, learn practices for deeper presence, regulation, and compassion, and connect with a supportive global community. The Summit begins on October 12. Register for free here 👉 https://collectivetraumasummit.com ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Pádraig Ó Tuama is a poet with interests in conflict, language, and religion. He presents Poetry Unbound from On Being Studios and has published two anthologies. In early 2025, Copper Canyon Press published Kitchen Hymns, his fourth poetry collection. A freelance artist, one of Ó Tuama’s projects is poet in residence with the Cooperation and Conflict Resolution Center at Columbia University. He splits his time between Belfast and New York City. Connect with Pádraig here: 👉 https://www.padraigotuama.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: a href="https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

    59 min
  2. Rae Riedel | Harnessing the Power of Your Breath

    23 SEPT

    Rae Riedel | Harnessing the Power of Your Breath

    Can you change your consciousness by changing the way that you breathe? This week, Thomas is joined by Rae Riedel, the co-founder, primary educator, and facilitator trainer of Integrative Breath. She’s also a senior student of Thomas’, having trained with him for over 13 years. Their conversation deeply explores the transformative power of breath work, bridging ancient mystical traditions with cutting-edge science. Breath is both a core element of spiritual practice and a physical process that directs the functioning of our nervous systems. It impacts how our brain stores memories, especially traumatic ones, and therefore plays a huge role in trauma healing and nervous system regulation. Rae and Thomas discuss how breath is also a portal into your unconscious mind and the depth of your spirit. Tune in to learn how to breathe in a way that supports somatic healing, connection with life, and a renewed feeling of vitality. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/45OiOmTUmLo Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Rae Riedel is Co-founder and primary educator and trainer for Integrative Breath. She weaves 35 years of professional experience and personal exploration in the worlds of alternative medicine, mind-body/consciousness, and natural healing into her teaching and somatic therapy practice. Connect with Rae here: 👉 https://integrative-breath.com/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World,” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear...

    1h 1m
  3. Embracing the Unknown on the Spiritual Path

    16 SEPT

    Embracing the Unknown on the Spiritual Path

    The beauty of the spiritual path lies in not having a fixed destination. This week, Thomas Hübl shares a teaching that opens us to a different mode of knowing—one that is emergent, direct, and arises from surrendering to its flow rather than attempting to control it. Tune in for a radical redefinition of the spiritual journey and learn how to embrace your unique agency in co-creating reality, refine your inner listening, and deepen your understanding of key mystical principles. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 🎬https://youtu.be/TlSyVX65sX0 Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl   ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future: 👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9 Mentioned in this episode: Collective Trauma Summit 2025 ✨ Join us at the 7th annual Collective Trauma Summit, a FREE 7-day online gathering with embodied practices, guided reflection, powerful interviews, and live events, guided by Thomas and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change. Speakers include Dr. Richard Schwartz, Prentis Hemphill, Cheryl Strayed, Francis Weller, Gabby Bernstein, Rick Hanson, Sonya Renee Taylor, and many more. This year, we’ve partnered with mission-driven organizations, including the Internal Family Systems Institute,...

    27 min
  4. Esther Perel & Jack Saul | Relational Healing to Transform Trauma

    9 SEPT

    Esther Perel & Jack Saul | Relational Healing to Transform Trauma

    This week, we’re revisiting Thomas’ conversation with Esther Perel, a renowned psychotherapist, NYT bestselling author, and host of the podcast “Where Should We Begin?” They’re also joined by her husband, Jack Saul, an artist, author, and psychologist. It’s a deep discussion on working with trauma survivors, the healing power of creativity, and addressing the impacts of intergenerational trauma in therapy. Esther defines the “erotic” as a feeling of aliveness and vibrancy that transcends the context of romance. She shares how embracing this fundamental part of our humanity helps us survive traumatic circumstances and release the constriction and expectation of harm that often accompanies trauma.  This is a powerful conversation that highlights how individual healing is deeply intertwined with collective healing, moving our understanding of therapeutic experiences beyond the isolated office into a shared space of transformation. It’s one of our favorite conversations that we aired in the early days of Point of Relation, and we’re excited to share it with you. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/L1LaAkZhICw Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Psychotherapist and New York Times bestselling author Esther Perel is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on modern relationships. Fluent in nine languages, she helms a therapy practice in New York City and serves as an organizational consultant for Fortune 500 companies around the world. Her celebrated TED Talks have garnered more than 40 million views, and her bestselling books, Mating in Captivity and The State of Affairs, are global phenomena translated into more than 30 languages. Esther is also the host of the hit podcast “Where Should We Begin?” which is available on Apple Podcasts. Connect with Esther here: 👉 https://www.estherperel.com ✨ Jack Saul Ph.D., is the founding director of the International Trauma Studies Program (ITSP), a research and training institute based in New York City. He has served on the faculties of New York University School of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry, the New School for Social Research, Clinical Psychology Program, and Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health. As a psychologist and family therapist, he has created a number of programs both in NYC and abroad for populations that have endured disaster, war, torture, and political violence. He’s the author of Collective Trauma, Collective Healing, and has helmed a public arts and conversation project entitled "Moral Injuries of War". Connect with Jack here: 👉 https://www.jacksaul.org ✨ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a...

    1h 16m
  5. Unifying Science and Spirituality

    2 SEPT

    Unifying Science and Spirituality

    Can we create more richness and harmony in our lives by synthesizing scientific and spiritual ways of knowing? This week, Thomas shares his thoughts on this question and explains how bridging this divide into a unified understanding of reality might be the key to unlocking the full spectrum of human experience and intelligence. Tune in to explore how trauma creates a false sense of separation between these two worlds, and learn how practicing presence and attuning with the wholeness of the information field can create greater intimacy with life and open us to profound revelations and paradigm-shifting innovations. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 🎬https://youtu.be/8Jt2NyNAN38 Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl   ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future: 👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9 Mentioned in this episode: Collective Trauma Summit 2025 ✨ Join us at the 7th annual Collective Trauma Summit, a FREE 7-day online gathering with embodied practices, guided reflection, powerful interviews, and live events, guided by Thomas and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change. Speakers include Dr. Richard Schwartz, Prentis Hemphill, Cheryl Strayed, Francis Weller, Gabby Bernstein, Rick Hanson,

    22 min
  6. Bonus Preview: Pico Iyer at the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit

    28 AUG

    Bonus Preview: Pico Iyer at the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit

    Today, we’re sharing an excerpt from Thomas’ conversation with acclaimed travel writer, author, and speaker Pico Iyer at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit.  Pico’s extensive travels and journeys into the realms of Buddhism and meditation have deeply inspired and informed his creative process. They also brought him into close contact with another artist and meditation practitioner, the legendary musician Leonard Cohen.  In this snippet from his Summit talk, Pico shares his experience witnessing Cohen's dedicated Zen practice and how Cohen later brought this sacred, surrendered quality from his meditation practice into his concert performances, transforming them into communal, sacred experiences. Within this experience, there are profound lessons about accepting impermanence and surrendering to something beyond your individual self. If you’re moved by this conversation and want to hear the full talk, sign up at the link below, and we’ll notify you as soon as details are announced for the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit, taking place online this fall. https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/#email-signup ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/-BLc08UQqF8 Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Pico Iyer is the author of 17 books of fiction and nonfiction, translated into 23 languages, on subjects ranging from globalism and mysticism to the Dalai Lama. He is a longtime essayist for Time, The New York Times, and over 250 publications worldwide. Born in Oxford to Indian parents, he was educated at Eton, Oxford, and Harvard, and has lived in Japan since 1987. Connect with Pico here: 👉 https://picoiyerjourneys.com/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our...

    10 min
  7. Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders | Trauma-Informed Meditation

    26 AUG

    Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders | Trauma-Informed Meditation

    A deep meditation practice doesn’t help you bypass your problems; it helps you move through them with presence and embodied awareness. This week, Thomas is joined by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a deep dive into the healing power of meditation and how to integrate your meditation practice into every moment of your life. Learn to transform your practice into a way of living and find deeper intimacy with your life’s journey, your spirit, and yourself. Explore the importance of trauma-informed approaches and community support in meditation, and find out how this important element of a spiritual practice can lead to larger-scale social progress and collective healing. And if you want to go even deeper on this topic and gain more wisdom and insights to carry into your meditation practice, join Martin and Susanne this September for their 4-week live online course: Deepening Meditation: Stillness, Heart, and Relationality. Whether you’re a longtime practitioner or a first-time meditator, this course will teach you how to access a meditative state no matter what life brings you and open yourself to deeper connections and inner wisdom. Learn more and sign up for the course at: https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course-sept-2025/ ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/6MiQBxUF6so Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Susanne Ahlendorf is a non-medical practitioner for psychotherapy, a group leader for meditation and Inner Science practice, who accompanies people on their personal and spiritual development path. For her, meditation is a way of unfolding love in life. Connect with Susanne here: www.susanneahlendorf.de ✨ Martin Bruders is a qualified social worker, mediator, and coach. He worked for over 28 years as a comedian and presenter at over 2000 corporate events in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. His inner exploration journey is as much about his meditation practice as it is about his daily life. He loves to permeate life deeper and deeper, always in search of intimacy with the divine; sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing. Connect with Martin here: www.martinbruders.de Explore more teachings and meditations from Martin and Susanne via their co-founded organization, Make Space for Grace, here: 👉 www.makespaceforgrace.de And subscribe to their YouTube channel here: 👉 http://www.youtube.com/@makespaceforgrace1158 Sign up for the free monthly Living Meditation Stream with Martin and Susanne, an online opportunity to learn meditation skills and connect with our community: 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation Enroll in the Deepening Meditation course, which begins on September 4th: 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course-sept-2025/ ✨ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective...

    56 min
  8. Francis Weller | Embracing the Wisdom of Grief

    19 AUG

    Francis Weller | Embracing the Wisdom of Grief

    How does crossing the threshold of grief open the gateway to other potent emotions? In part two of their conversation on grief, healing, and social transformation, Thomas and Francis Weller discuss what it means to become an apprentice to grief, how communal healing leads to individual and social maturity, and why it’s so important to lean into our interconnectedness when times are tough. Explore what’s lacking in Western cultures’ approach to processing grief and what might change if we create collective spaces, led by seasoned elders, to connect through our shared sorrows.  Can we reclaim our humanity and remember how to live in harmony with the world? Francis believes that we can, but we must have the courage to look inward, sit in the heat of our own grief, and not turn away. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/kDhGhHSOSaw Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, author, and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, Indigenous cultures, and poetic traditions. His books, including The Wild Edge of Sorrow, have introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. Francis founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from Indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from Western poetic, psychological, and spiritual traditions. For more than forty years, Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy. Connect with Francis here: 👉 www.francisweller.net Order Francis' book, In the Absence of the Ordinary, here: 👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/784313/in-the-absence-of-the-ordinary-by-francis-weller Order Francis' book, The Wild Edge of Sorrow, here: 👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/250673/the-wild-edge-of-sorrow-by-francis-weller Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: a...

    33 min

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Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

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