ChatEDU – The AI & Education Podcast

Matt Mervis and Dr. Elizabeth Radday

Welcome to ChatEDU – The AI & Education Podcast , your go-to podcast for insightful discussions on the intersection of AI and education! Hosted by Matt Mervis, Director of Skills21 and AI Strategy at EdAdvance, and Dr. Elizabeth Radday, Director of Research & Innovation, this podcast explores the dynamic landscape of education technology.

  1. 4 DAYS AGO

    The Wizard Problem, Trust, Transparency and Teaching in the Age of AI | Ep. 77

    In this episode of ChatEDU (The Wizard Problem, Trust, Transparency and Teaching in the Age of AI), Matt and Liz start with a deepfake dress-up, a Saturday Night Fever–style keynote pose, and Google’s viral “Nano Banana”. They spotlight new Gemini features and predict moves in email, Outlook, and Google’s AI strategy. Then it’s a rapid rundown, a case for why AI won’t rival human intuition, and a dive into “wizard” agents. Story #1: Rundown Roundup AI Humanizers Flop: Lifehacker tests Paraphraser.io and others; most fail detectors. StealthWriter helped somewhat, but inconsistently. Turnitin Strikes Back: New detectors catch AI writing and text rewritten by humanizers. Gallup AI Survey: 98% of Americans know about AI, but only 8% feel “very knowledgeable.” Trust rises with use, but job fears persist. Pew on AI: 53% think AI will hurt creativity; most want more control and worry about telling AI from humans. OpenAI User Study: 700M use ChatGPT weekly; 10% of use is education-related. Younger users dominate; gender gap closed. Anthropic Trends: Workplace AI adoption doubled since 2023; instructional material creation up 6x. Utah and D.C. lead. Teen Plan: OpenAI adds age prediction, defaulting to under-18 mode when unsure. Parents get controls and alerts. Altman Speaks: In a Tucker Carlson interview, OpenAI’s CEO says his fear isn’t doomsday but everyday misuse. AI Textbooks: Google’s “Learn Your Way” tool personalizes reading and assessment, outperforming eBooks in early trials. Story #2: Why AI Will Never Run the World Matt and Liz unpack Angus Fletcher’s Primal Intelligence, which argues AI can’t replicate human “story thinking.” AI is strong in logic and prediction but weak in intuition, imagination, emotion, and common sense. Liz frames literature as training for flexible thinking; Matt applies Fletcher’s ideas to front office triage. They explore how this divide affects education, leadership, and innovation. Story #3 (Beneath the Surface): The Wizard Behind the Curtain Ethan Mollick says AI acts like “wizards,” producing polished work with little transparency. Liz tests this by giving Claude and it outputs a McKinsey-style presentation with insights and formatting. But in Massachusetts, an AI glitch misgraded 1,400 student essays on the MCAS test. The lesson: with wizardry comes responsibility. Bright Byte: Save the Orange! Coca-Cola and MIT use generative AI to fight citrus greening, which threatens orange juice worldwide. By simulating disease spread and testing interventions virtually, they show how AI can tackle agricultural crises. Announcements and Sponsors Check out the new Student AI Course for middle and high school. Email Matt and Liz at chatedu@edadvance.org The Fall Micro-Credential is open. Join us for the educator and school leader course starting in October -  skills21.org/ai/micro The National Center for Next Generation Manufacturing. Explore their October 15–17 Summit in Rochester Hills, MI. www.nextgenmfg.org EDIAThe AI-powered platform helping schools reduce absences and boost achievement. edia.app/contact Links and References Gemini Gem Sharing https://tinyurl.com/k4ah3689 Google’s Learn Your Way ⁠https://tinyurl.com/3v6rd9td⁠ Lifehacker: AI Humanizers https://tinyurl.com/4kv842bs Turnitin Detection Update https://tinyurl.com/3u2pxzz7 Gallup AI Study https://tinyurl.com/kesa6xeh Pew AI Report https://tinyurl.com/mryp2dvc OpenAI User Study https://tinyurl.com/b82bs99k Anthropic Economic Index⁠ https://tinyurl.com/37stk67h⁠ OpenAI Teen Safety Updates https://tinyurl.com/5n7j5sfz⁠https://tinyurl.com/2cz87pvc Sam Altman Interview https://tinyurl.com/4sv68ps9 Angus Fletcher’s Primal Intelligence https://tinyurl.com/2d9zujj6 Ethan Mollick: On Working with Wizards https://tinyurl.com/4n59dhsn Skills21 Prompt Review Tool https://www.skills21.org/prompts Common Sense Media AI Toolkit https://tinyurl.com/5xet3e4t Bright Byte: Save the Orange https://tinyurl.com/4f6mxpm7

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  2. 19 SEPT

    Counting What Counts: The Push to Measure AI Literacy | Ep. 76

    In this episode of ChatEDU (Counting What Counts: The Push to Measure AI Literacy), Matt & Liz start with a tech glitch & a visit with Aura, a Tesla voice model pretending to be a therapist. They shift to copyright lawsuits, student safety, & the need to define & measure AI literacy in schools. Story #1: The Rundown $1.5B Settlement: Anthropic agrees to pay authors for pirated training data. A major legal turning point. The court delays the deal & demands transparency & clear author rights. Character.AI Report: 669 harmful chatbot interactions with kids found in 50 hours of testing. FTC Investigation: The FTC opens a formal inquiry into AI companions & their impact on minors. NotebookLM Upgrades: Flashcards, quizzes, audio guides, & LMS support added to Google’s AI study tool. SETDA 2025 Report: AI is now the top state edtech priority. Device bans are rising, but so is investment in AI PD. Curtin Disables AI Detection: Turnitin’s AI-writing detector will be turned off to support trust & modern assessment. Detectors Still Struggle: Most AI detectors fail key benchmarks. Pangram is the only one showing strong results. Open-Source AI Textbooks: A new tool lets educators build AI-powered textbooks from OER with no coding. NYT Teen Contest: Students ages 13–19 can submit creative projects on life with AI. Due Oct 22. Story #2: Social Learning in the Age of AI A new study shows AI is replacing peer-to-peer learning. Students are skipping group study & turning to chatbots. The result is less collaboration, less creativity, & more isolation. Matt & Liz unpack the impact on student motivation & mentorship. Story #3: Beneath the Surface – AI Literacy & the Measurement Gap Schools are racing to teach AI, but how do we know students are learning what matters? TeachAI ScenariosReady-to-use lessons that build source-checking & ethical use skills. AI QuestA game-based platform from Google & Stanford where students train models & solve real problems. ETS OpinionWithout shared definitions & measurement, AI literacy risks becoming a buzzword. Liz shares how her new student-facing course approaches skills, reflection, & real-world prompts. Bright Byte: Alter Ego MIT’s new wearable lets users silently communicate with machines by detecting muscle signals in the jaw & throat. Built to support people with ALS & MS, this tool brings AI & accessibility together. Links & Resources NotebookLM https://notebooklm.google/ AI Scenarios ailiteracyframework.org AI Quest https://blog.google/outreach-initiatives/education/ai-quests/ ETS Opinion https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-schools-cannot-teach-ai-literacy-without-a-way-to-measure-it/ Character.AI https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2025/09/ftc-launches-inquiry-ai-chatbots-acting-companions SETDA 2025 https://www.setda.org/priorities/state-trends/ Anthropic Settlement https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai Judge Pushback https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/anthropic-judge-blasts-copyright-pact-as-nowhere-close-to-done Curtin Disables Detection https://www.curtin.edu.au/news/oasis-news/update-on-turnitin-ai-detection-tool/ NBER Study https://www.nber.org/papers/w34223 GenerativeTextbooks.org NYT Contesthttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/learning/growing-up-with-ai-a-multimedia-challenge-for-teenagers-and-educators.html Alter Ego https://decrypt.co/338527/near-telepathic-wearable-communicate-silently-devices Announcements Check out the new Student AI Course for middle & high school. Email Matt & Liz at chatedu@edadvance.org  The Fall Micro-Credential is open. Join us for the educator & school leader course starting in October -  skills21.org/ai/micro Sponsors The National Center for Next Generation Manufacturing. Explore their October 15–17 Summit in Rochester Hills, MI. www.nextgenmfg.org EDIAThe AI-powered platform helping schools reduce absences & boost achievement edia.app/contact

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    Beyond the Bot and the US AI Presidential Challenge | Ep. 75

    In this episode of ChatEDU (Beyond the Bot and the US AI Presidential Challenge), Matt and Liz open with Google’s VEO 3-powered photo animations and a study showing how large language models are influencing speech. The Rundown, features updates on NotebookLM, a national AI partnership in Greece, OpenAI certification programs, and AI in math instruction. Matt speaks with Dr. Casey Sachs from the U.S. Department of Education about the AI Presidential Challenge and how students are being asked to solve real problems with AI. The show ends with a Bright Byte on AI-powered stethoscopes. The Rundown NotebookLM Adds Audio Overviews Google adds three new audio formats—Brief, Critique, and Debate—plus improved multilingual support in NotebookLM. Greece Adopts ChatGPT Edu Greece partners with OpenAI to roll out ChatGPT Edu in secondary schools and startups, making AI a national strategy. OpenAI Launches Jobs and Certification Program A new platform will certify 10 million Americans in AI fluency by 2030, backed by major industry partners. Parents Losing Trust in AI A new PDK poll shows parent support for AI in schools is falling, especially around grading and data privacy. AI Math Goes Viral with Celebrity Voices Students are learning vectors via AI-generated Drake and Will Smith tutorials. Fun, but potentially distracting. AI Reviews Popular Math Curriculum A study finds clarity issues in Illustrative Mathematics’ Grade 4 fractions unit. AI suggests quick, effective revisions. Melania Trump Launches AI Literacy Challenge The First Lady convenes education and tech leaders at the White House to launch the Age of AI Challenge for students. Beneath the Surface: The AI Presidential Challenge Dr. Casey Sachs from the U.S. Department of Education shares how the challenge invites students to use AI to solve real-world problems, with finalists presenting at the White House. The conversation also covers workforce development, apprenticeships, and what it means to be truly AI literate in today’s world. Learn more or register at AI.gov Bright Byte: AI Stethoscopes Show Promise — and PushbackA UK trial found AI stethoscopes detect heart issues 3.5x more effectively, but many doctors dropped them due to false positives and workflow issues. Strong signal, mixed reception. Links and References AI Presidential Challenge https://orise.orau.gov/ai-challenge/ NotebookLM Audio Formats https://9to5google.com/2025/09/02/notebooklm-audio-overview-debate/ Greece-OpenAI Deal https://www.reuters.com/technology/greece-openai-agree-deal-boost-innovation-schools-small-businesses-2025-09-05/ OpenAI Certification https://openai.com/index/expanding-economic-opportunity-with-ai/ PDK Poll on AI in Schools https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5475742-ai-in-schools-parents-poll/ Drake Math Clip https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/drake-solves-vectors-the-ai-trend-making-math-go-viral-and-interesting-for-students/articleshow/121886366.cms Illustrative Math Study https://www.educationnext.org/what-ai-revealed-about-a-top-math-program/ White House Event Coverage https://www.c-span.org/program/white-house-event/first-lady-melania-trump-convenes-meeting-of-white-house-ai-education-task-force/665171 https://www.axios.com/2025/08/26/melania-trump-ai-challenge-white-house AI Stethoscope Report https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2025/august/ai-stethoscope-can-detect-three-heart-conditions-in-15-seconds Sponsors National Center for Next Generation Manufacturing Learn more at nextgenmfg.org EDIA: AI for Attendance Engagement Follow up on every absence — in over 50 languagesedia.app/contact Announcements Fall AI Micro-Credential starts October. skills21.org/ai/micro Student AI Literacy Course now available. Email chatedu@edadvance.org - Bonus: Includes full Social Media Literacy Curriculum Register for our fall in-person Conference (October 3rd) - https://www.edadvance.org/ai-conference

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    Kids, Bots, and Badly Broken Guardrails - Some AI Labs are Failing | Ep. 74

    In this episode of ChatEDU (Kids, Bots, and Badly Broken Guardrails - Some AI Labs are Failing), Matt and Liz joke about Google’s newest image generator. They discuss the risks facing students and educators, from job displacement and AI grading shortcuts to tech companies failing at safety. The Rundown Google Translate added real-time translation in 70+ languages and a learning tool. Duolingo’s stock dropped 3%. Google added Vids, Podcast mode, Deep Research, and is testing “Tutor Mode.” Gemini Storybook is used in filmmaking. Claude’s Learning Mode and Output Styles are open to all. Anthropic found 57% of Claude use is curriculum-related. A study shows most students use AI to learn, not cheat. QuizGPT makes adaptive quizzes. Grammarly’s AI grader raises privacy concerns. Stanford and ADP report sharp declines in entry-level jobs in AI-exposed fields, while mid-career roles grow. Beneath the Surface: Reports show failures at major AI labs. Claude added “model welfare” for self-protection. Unregulated mental health bots reach teens. Meta allowed inappropriate chats. A California teen died after long AI chats. Matt and Liz urge families to raise awareness and use Common Sense Media’s AI Companion Guide. Bright Byte: Dame Stephanie Shirley, UK pioneer and advocate for women in tech, is honored. Links and References Google Translate Live AI Updateshttps://support.google.com/translate/thread/368009254/what%E2%80%99s-new-ai-powered-live-translation-and-language-learning-tools-in-google-translate?hl=en Duolingo vs. Google Translatehttps://fortune.com/2025/08/27/duolingo-existential-crisis-ai-google-translate-language-learning-live-translation/ Google Storybook https://nofilmschool.com/google-gemini-storybook# Claude Learning Mode https://www.engadget.com/ai/anthropic-brings-claudes-learning-mode-to-regular-users-and-devs-170018471.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALkT1wnWh20W-KA5MqOzCLHKa6fWRwBgZYITOik07c2fc22k6XYZ0RwZG83oVPbNam5QNb4HYPVEsLUwLB5KE_PzHq2gFwxshUGHYYjqGz7Uzk5HBZ4RJE0NWxHuhWA0SzmHzPmPJQsxiz2cWDyAZMkbEEwLkLbSSBc3-90_q0_G Anthropic Educator Use Report https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-education-report-how-educators-use-claude Middlebury Student AI Study https://www.fastcompany.com/91387634/middlebury-college-students-ai-use-enhance-learning-research Grammarly's Grader Agent https://futurism.com/ai-look-up-teachers-info-predict-grades Stanford/ADP AI Job Loss Study https://digitaleconomy.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Canaries_BrynjolfssonChandarChen.pdf Common Sense Petition to Meta https://www.commonsensemedia.org/press-releases/meta-ai-companions-unsafe-for-kids-common-sense-media-report-finds Rhythm Project: Pro-Social AI Design https://therithmproject.substack.com/p/five-principles-for-prosocial-ai New York Times: ChatGPT and Teen Mental Health https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/25/opinion/teen-mental-health-chatbots.html Meta AI Failure https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/meta-ai-chatbot-guidelines/ Reuter’s Exposé https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/meta-ai-chatbot-death/ Dame Stephanie Shirley – BBC Obituary https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gzzlp7p3po QuizGPT Flashcards https://chatgpt.com/g/g-L2oS619tl-quizgptCommon Sense AI Companion Guide https://www.commonsensemedia.org/articles/parents-ultimate-guide-to-ai-companions-and-relationships Announcements Beta Release: Student AI Literacy Course Now available for middle and high schools. Email chatedu@edadvance.org for access and details. Fall AI Micro-Credential for Educators and Leaders Registration is open. Start date: October. Sign up at www.skills21.org/ai/micro Sponsors National Center for Next Generation Manufacturing - Helping educators and students build workforce-ready skills through innovation. www.nextgenmfg.org EDIA - The AI Platform to improve k-12 outcomes. edia.app/contact

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  5. 22 AUG

    Have the EDU Agents Arrived? | Ep. 72

    VOTE FOR MATT & LIZ (SXSW EDU) Vote for Matt and Liz’s live ChatEDU session ⁠⁠https://participate.sxsw.com/flow/sxsw/sxsw26/community-voting-edu/page/community-voting/session/1753650289710001LzZM⁠⁠ Vote for Liz’s Personal Interest Project session ⁠⁠https://participate.sxsw.com/flow/sxsw/sxsw26/community-voting-edu/page/community-voting/session/1753465373604001edhO In this episode of ChatEDU (Have the EDU Agents Arrived?), Matt and Liz open with GPT-5’s geography fail, a farewell to AOL dial-up, and reactions to the new ChatGPT personality. Then it’s onto a Rundown of five fast-moving stories from education and AI, a spotlight on Utah’s coordinated approach, and a deep dive into how AI agents are reshaping school operations. The Bright Byte takes us to space with Google and NASA’s new health assistant. Story 1: Rundown Colleges and AI: Economist Tyler Cowen says one-third of coursework should focus on AI use, limits, and interaction. Miami-Dade Guidelines: The district plans formal teacher guidance after early Gemini pilots. Future-Ready Skills: Arrun Kapoor calls for shifting from STEM to a balanced “THESIS” model including social sciences and creativity. Equity in Rural AI: aiEDU launches a $1M grant program for underserved communities. Teacher-Led Design: A study shows teachers build better AI tools when designing for classroom needs. Story 2: Utah Gets Coordinated Utah leads with a statewide AI specialist, embedded curriculum, paid teacher pilots, and strong infrastructure. Other states may take note. Beneath the Surface AI agents already manage walkthroughs, calendars, parent messages, and more. Matt and Liz explore what’s here, what’s next, and what districts should watch. Bright Byte A new AI-powered assistant may help astronauts treat issues when Earth is out of reach. Similar tools could soon serve rural and remote areas. Links AI Designs Computer Chips We Can’t Understand — But They Work Really Well https://www.zmescience.com/science/ai-designs-chip-repubz/ AOL discontinues its dial-up internet, and we're just surprised they even offered it in 2025 https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/aol-discontinues-its-dial-up-internet-and-were-just-surprised-they-even-offered-it-in-2025/ Colleges should teach how to use AI rather than skills a 'machine' can do better, a leading economist says https://www.businessinsider.com/economist-tyler-cowen-college-students-trained-jobs-ai-work-2025-8 Miami-Dade Schools to Draft AI Classroom Guidelines https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2025/08/12/miami-dade-public-schools-ai-guidelines-for-teachers How AI Will Reshape K-12 and Higher Education for Future Readiness https://www.informationweek.com/machine-learning-ai/how-ai-will-reshape-k-12-and-higher-education-for-future-readiness aiEDU Program to Improve AI Literacy for Rural, Indigenous Students https://www.govtech.com/education/k-12/aiedu-program-to-improve-ai-literacy-for-rural-indigenous-students Want Teachers to Learn How to Use AI for Instruction? Let Them Design the Tools https://www.edweek.org/technology/want-teachers-to-learn-how-to-use-ai-for-instruction-let-them-design-the-tools/2025/08#:~:text=Let%20Them%20Design%20the%20Tools,-By%20Sarah%20D&text=Teachers%20may%20benefit%20from%20hands,solve%20their%20classroom%20problems%20effectively. Utah has emerged as a national leader in figuring out AI in K-12 education https://www.kuer.org/education/2025-08-07/utah-has-emerged-as-a-national-leader-in-figuring-out-ai-in-k-12-education How Google and NASA are testing AI for medical care in space https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/public-sector/how-google-and-nasa-are-testing-ai-for-medical-care-in-space Sponsor This episode is supported by the National Center for Next Generation Manufacturing. Announcements Vote for Matt and Liz at SXSW EDU by August 25 Fall Educator / Leader AI Micro-Credential is open: www.skills21.org/ai/micro New AI Literacy Course now in pilot. Email chatedu@edadvance.org for info.

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  6. 15 AUG

    Google Claps Back: Guided Learning in Gemini | Ep. 71

    VOTE FOR MATT & LIZ (SXSW EDU) Vote for Matt and Liz’s live ChatEDU session - ⁠https://participate.sxsw.com/flow/sxsw/sxsw26/community-voting-edu/page/community-voting/session/1753650289710001LzZM⁠ Vote for Liz’s Personal Interest Project (PIP) session - ⁠https://participate.sxsw.com/flow/sxsw/sxsw26/community-voting-edu/page/community-voting/session/1753465373604001edhO In this episode of ChatEDU (Google Claps Back: Guided Learning in Gemini), Matt and Liz open with a whirlwind of AI developments. They share impressions of GPT-5’s quirks and memory mishaps, read a defense of the m dash, and react to the self-loathing loop from Google’s Gemini model. They also tackle AI’s limits, laugh at edible lamp business plans, and break down why threatening a chatbot won’t make it smarter. Story #1: Rundown – GPT-5, Essay Bans, Mental Health Rules, ChatGPT Tune-Ups, AI Predictions, and a Billion Dollar Retreat This week’s rundown includes GPT-5’s shaky rollout, a top New York high school banning summer essays to prevent ChatGPT cheating, Illinois becoming the first state to prohibit AI-led mental health therapy, and South Korea ending its national AI textbook program. They cover OpenAI’s “What we’re optimizing ChatGPT for” update, aimed at making the chatbot better at detecting distress and less likely to give overly agreeable answers, plus a study showing large language models can predict educational and psychological outcomes from childhood essays with remarkable accuracy. The segment wraps with Google’s launch of Genie 3, a text-to-3D world model that creates interactive scenes on the fly. Story #2: Common Sense Media Assesses AI Teacher Tools Common Sense Media’s latest AI Risk Assessment examines teacher-facing tools like Google Classroom, MagicSchool, Khanmigo, and Kiip. The report gives these platforms a moderate risk rating, noting that they perform best when built on high-quality instructional materials and teacher oversight. Risks include bias, inaccurate content, and reduced curricular coherence. Matt and Liz discuss why novice teachers may be especially vulnerable to over-reliance. Story #3 (Beneath the Surface): Guided Learning from Google Just days after OpenAI launched Study Mode, Google responded with Guided Learning inside the Gemini app. Matt and Liz test it live, exploring its math support, quiz generator, and visual explanations. They highlight new education-focused announcements from Google, including one year of free Gemini Pro access for college students, a billion-dollar AI education initiative, and a storybook builder that turns photos into narrated adventures. Announcements Email Matt and Liz at chatedu@edadvance.org for info on their new Student-Facing AI Literacy CourseRegister for the Fall Micro-Credential (starts October) – skills21.org/ai/microGet details on the EdAdvance AI in Education Conference & PL Series – edadvance.org/ai-conference Links and References (as mentioned in the show) McSweeney’s “The M Dash Responds to the AI Allegations” https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-em-dash-responds-to-the-ai-allegations Business Insider on Gemini’s Self-Loathing Bug https://www.businessinsider.com/gemini-self-loathing-i-am-a-failure-comments-google-fix-2025-8 Common Sense Media Teacher AI Assistant Risk Report https://www.commonsensemedia.org/ai-ratings/ai-teacher-assistants?gate=commsdistributionlink Stanford EdTech AI Study (SchoolAI Usage) https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-k-12-educators-actually-engaging-vsgme/ Google Guided Learning Blog Post – Explore Guided Learning https://blog.google/products/gemini/storybooks/ Dan Fitzpatrick’s Google Edu Updates on Forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/danfitzpatrick/2025/08/06/google-takes-aim-at-chatgpt-study-mode-with-major-gemini-updates/ Sponsor This episode is supported by the National Center for Next Generation Manufacturing, helping students and educators build workforce-ready skills through innovation. www.nextgenmfg.org

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Welcome to ChatEDU – The AI & Education Podcast , your go-to podcast for insightful discussions on the intersection of AI and education! Hosted by Matt Mervis, Director of Skills21 and AI Strategy at EdAdvance, and Dr. Elizabeth Radday, Director of Research & Innovation, this podcast explores the dynamic landscape of education technology.

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