Gain Traction

Mike Edge

The Gain Traction Podcast features top tire and auto repair professionals, shop owners, industry executives, and thought leaders.

  1. 5 dgn geleden

    Run Your Auto Shop Like You're Running for Mayor

    Geoff Fisher is the COO of GVT Tire & Auto and Auto Pros of Minnesota, an automotive service network with 18 locations. His perspective on auto repair shop growth comes from experience across the shop floor, service counter, process development, and multi-location operations. Fisher began working as a tire and lube technician at age 16 before earning an operations management degree from the University of Minnesota’s Carlson School of Management. He later spent two years as a service writer and moved into leadership, where he now helps guide an expansion plan targeting 26 locations. In this episode… Growth exposes every loose process inside a shop. One location often survives inconsistent communication because the owner sees problems firsthand. Eighteen locations operate differently. Managers develop separate expectations, accountability becomes uneven, and recurring problems turn leadership into constant firefighting. Fisher uses the Entrepreneurial Operating System to create a shared operating language across locations. Weekly scorecards replace emotional decisions with measurable information. Car count, average repair order, and labor hours reveal where a process has broken down and give managers a clear place to begin correcting it. That operational discipline addresses only part of auto repair shop growth. Expansion also creates tension between consistency and local identity. Fisher’s team wants every location to feel connected to its town rather than viewed as another chain. Community involvement, local partnerships, and visible service build relationships that a new sign cannot create by itself. The economics reinforce that approach. Fisher places the average cost of acquiring a new customer at about $130. A free oil change or community initiative costs less while creating a direct opportunity to demonstrate the shop’s service. Opening one location every five weeks raises the stakes because each new team must carry the same processes without losing its connection to the community. Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:  [01:14] Fisher begins his automotive career at age sixteen [04:06] Shop-floor experience leads Fisher into operations management [06:22] EOS replaces emotional management with measurable performance data [10:55] Repeatable processes support expansion across multiple locations [13:12] The company averages one shop opening every five weeks [15:46] Community involvement strengthens retention and local trust [20:30] Clear measurements expose operational breakdowns [22:19] Coaching shapes Fisher’s team leadership approach Resources mentioned in this episode: Geoff Fisher on LinkedInGVT Tire & Auto WebsiteAuto Pros of Minnesota WebsiteTread PartnersGain Traction Podcast on YouTubeGain Traction Podcast WebsiteMike Edge on LinkedInQuotable Moments: “That people feel like your shop is a part of the town, not just located in it.”“We are currently averaging one shop every five weeks.”“I call it running for mayor, right?”“And I felt like sometimes we were playing too much firefighter and not really understanding what started the fire.”“Help me, help you, help us.”Action Steps: Turn auto repair shop growth into a weekly scorecard. Track car count and average repair order, then add one labor-efficiency measure that managers review at the same time each week.Select one recurring operational problem and document its root cause. Assign ownership of the correction, set a deadline, and review whether the same problem returns.Build a store-opening playbook from the processes already working. Document training responsibilities, workflow expectations, and the first-week operating routine before the next location opens.Give every location one concrete community commitment. Choose a school partnership, local business relationship, or service initiative that places the team in direct contact with residents.Calculate customer acquisition cost and compare it with the actual cost of a goodwill offer. Track whether recipients return for a second visit rather than measuring success by redemption alone.

    Run Your Auto Shop Like You're Running for Mayor
  2. 15 jul

    When Should Auto Repair Shops Raise Labor Rates?

    Henry Rose is the CEO of Neighborhood Car Care in Western New York. He entered the automotive industry from outside the traditional technician path, bringing experience from property management, construction, and operations into independent auto repair. After first connecting with the business as a customer, Henry became involved with what was formerly Scruggs Automotive Repair and later purchased two of its locations. Today, he leads Neighborhood Car Care with a practical view of auto repair labor rates, customer experience, team support, and shop profitability. In this episode… Auto repair labor rates are not just numbers on an invoice. They reflect the value a shop proves, the confidence of the team presenting the work, and the cost of keeping trained people supported. Shop owners are dealing with rising technician costs, tighter margins, customer price sensitivity, and the pressure to build a business that survives slow months. Henry Rose brings the discussion back to capacity, billable hours, customer trust, and the shop experience behind the rate. A labor rate becomes easier to defend when the operation supports it. Full schedules, clean facilities, clear communication, easy scheduling, team benefits, and confident advisors all change how customers receive the number. Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:  [01:10] Introducing Henry Rose of Neighborhood Car Care [01:20] Henry Rose’s transition into independent auto repair leadership [03:20] How a garage door invoice reframed labor rate value [06:22] Why auto repair pricing faces unique customer scrutiny [13:05] Using hospitality to strengthen diagnostic value and trust [16:19] Structuring labor rates around business costs and team support [18:23] Using shop capacity as a signal for rate increases [20:23] Measuring market response without weakening price confidence [23:11] Building team alignment behind higher labor rates [26:19] Protecting long-term stability through responsible profit strategy [31:19] The work ethic behind sustained shop growth Resources mentioned in this episode: Henry Rose on LinkedInNeighborhood Car Care WebsiteTread PartnersGain Traction Podcast on YouTubeGain Traction Podcast WebsiteMike Edge on LinkedInQuotable Moments: “You have to charge what you need to charge, but at the same time, when we’re just nothing but confrontational in our pricing structure, that’s also very scary for the customer.”“We have to be huge on building the value when we’re talking with people.”“We need to make the money that we need to make, so that our team can do the job they need to do, the training, the education.”“If you’re hitting 120 billable hours, and you’re that capacity, and then you’re booking out more than four or five days, you really should consider increasing your labor rate.”“We have a fiduciary responsibility to our team members. We need to keep the company healthy because if there’s a weird dip, a bad month, you can’t have everyone wondering, are they going to get paid?”Action Steps: Audit weekly billable-hour capacity before raising rates. Compare the shop’s actual billed hours against the total hours the operation can realistically sell.Review the customer experience that supports the price. Clean waiting areas, clear communication, easy scheduling, and visible professionalism help customers understand the value behind auto repair labor rates.Train advisors to present price with confidence. A labor rate loses strength when the person explaining it sounds unsure, defensive, or apologetic.Track close rate and booking pressure after a rate change. Use customer response, schedule demand, and advisor confidence to find the market’s breaking point.Tie pricing to team stability. Build rates around wages, benefits, training, tools, and the cost of keeping the business healthy through slow months.

    When Should Auto Repair Shops Raise Labor Rates?
  3. 8 jul

    How On-Demand Grip Could Change Winter Driving

    Wes Boling is the Senior Communications and Content Manager for Nokian Tyres, where he helps explain product innovation, dealer education, and the company’s North American story. Based in Nashville, Tennessee, he has been with Nokian Tyres for nearly eight years and joined the company as it prepared to open its North American production factory in Dayton, Tennessee. Before entering the tire industry, Boling worked as a sports reporter in Knoxville, earned his MBA from Belmont University, and built experience in public relations and family business. His role gives him a clear lane for explaining on-demand grip winter tires in terms that connect engineering, safety, and the conversations happening inside tire dealerships. In this episode… Winter driving has become harder to explain with old tire categories. Drivers still need control on ice, but they also care about road noise, dry-road performance, road wear, and the limits tied to traditional studded tires. Multi-location tire dealers need a cleaner way to talk about winter traction without turning the counter conversation into a technical lecture. Nokian Tyres is bringing that conversation into a new place with on-demand grip winter tires. The studs respond automatically to the road, absorbing when conditions are warmer or dry and engaging when cold conditions call for ice grip. That changes the selling conversation because the value is not hidden inside a compound chart. The customer problem is visible: changing winter roads, black ice, and the need for control before the driver loses confidence. The business lesson is bigger than one tire launch. Product knowledge only works when the counter team knows how to translate it. Drivers walk in with an immediate problem, and the dealer’s job is to connect the right technology to the risk sitting in front of them. Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:  [01:04] Who Wes Boling is and why his role matters [01:38] Wes Boling’s path from sports reporting into tire communications [04:44] How on-demand grip winter tires automatically respond to road conditions [06:51] Why modern studded tires are trying to reduce old tradeoffs [08:21] How double stud technology supports braking and turning on ice [10:22] Why black ice makes changing winter conditions harder to manage [12:52] How Arctic testing shaped years of winter tire research [14:19] What dealers and journalists noticed during the tire launch [17:36] When dealers and consumers can expect the tire rollout [18:12] Why asking better questions builds stronger industry relationships [23:29] How tire shop counter staff help customers understand safety Resources mentioned in this episode: Wes Boling on LinkedInNokian Tyres WebsiteTread PartnersGain Traction Podcast on YouTubeGain Traction Podcast WebsiteMike Edge on LinkedInQuotable Moments: “It is the first studded winter tire to come with what we call on-demand grip.”“The tire kind of makes that decision itself.”“We were able to essentially reduce the studs’ negative impact on the road while increasing its safety properties.”“What this tire delivers is that responsiveness.”“We’re crafting it on a foundation of more than a decade of incredible research.”Action Steps: Build a winter tire talk track for every counter team. Start with the driver’s real concern: ice, black ice, loss of control, noise, and confidence on unpredictable roads.Train advisors to explain on-demand grip winter tires without engineering overload. Use plain language: the tire adjusts to the road, the studs engage on ice, and the customer gets a clearer safety story.Audit old objections around studded tires before winter selling season. List the concerns customers bring up most often, then create direct answers around noise, road impact, dry-road comfort, and legal limits.Use changing winter conditions as the sales context. Shoulder-season ice, warmer dry roads, and sudden black ice events give dealers a practical reason to revisit winter recommendations with customers.Make the counter team part of the product launch strategy. Technology does not create revenue until the person across the counter connects it to the driver’s daily risk.

    How On-Demand Grip Could Change Winter Driving
  4. 1 jul

    The Succession Plan Most Tire Shops Overlook

    Brad Templin is the owner of Scott’s U-Save Tires & Auto Repair, a four-store tire and auto repair business serving Indiana and Illinois. His family’s automotive roots go back more than a century, starting with a parts distributorship in Chicagoland before the next generation moved into the tire and auto repair side of the industry. Brad returned to the business after studying aerospace engineering at Purdue and working in a corporate technical sales role. He came back through the shop floor first, working as a tire tech, learning the counter, and earning his way into leadership. His experience gives him a practical view of tire shop succession planning, especially for owners who already have future leaders inside the business. In this episode… Shop owners talk often about technician shortages, training, and recruiting. Brad Templin brings up a different issue that sits closer to the owner’s seat: who carries the business forward when the current owner starts thinking about stepping away. The next owner is not always a son or daughter. The next owner is sometimes the manager who has been there for 15 years, the lead tech who already knows the crew, or the trusted employee who opens the shop when the owner is gone. Brad’s point is direct: second-generation ownership does not have to mean blood. It means culture, trust, experience, and the ability to protect what the business already means to the people inside it. For multi-location operators, the succession question gets bigger. Growth creates opportunity for the next layer of leaders, but owners still have to decide who gets a real path forward. A sale to an outside buyer changes the financial picture. A handoff to someone inside the business changes a life, protects the shop’s identity, and keeps the business tied to the community that helped build it. Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:  [01:01] Brad Templin’s role at Scott’s U-Save Tires [02:55] How Brad’s family history shaped his view of the industry [04:06] Why second-generation ownership does not have to mean family [06:10] Why blue-collar shop ownership still offers serious opportunity [08:18] How self-awareness shapes stronger leadership decisions [11:30] Why technician-minded owners struggle to think like visionaries [15:39] How owner financing can create a practical succession path [20:55] Why Brad had to earn leadership by working every shop role [22:20] How the next generation can improve what the founder built [24:36] Why independent shops matter beyond the services they sell [29:13] How endurance training connects with business leadership Resources mentioned in this episode: Brad Templin on LinkedInScott’s U-Save Tires & Auto Repair WebsiteTread PartnersGain Traction Podcast on YouTubeGain Traction Podcast WebsiteMike Edge on LinkedInQuotable Moments: “I have now fallen so in love with this industry, I see so much opportunity and runway in front of it.”“Second generation ownership doesn’t even have to be blood.”“Taking over a succession plan of an already successful shop that you’re familiar with, you have such a great runway opportunity.”“Shop ownership is very rewarding.”“We’re needed as much as a doctor, a lawyer, an attorney, an accountant.”Action Steps: Identify one person inside the business who already operates with ownership-level trust. Look at who opens the shop, handles pressure, protects the culture, and keeps the team moving when the owner is not there.Start tire shop succession planning before the exit feels urgent. Build a path around responsibility, financial structure, leadership development, and clear expectations instead of waiting for a forced sale.Let future leaders work every major seat in the business. Counter work, tire tech work, customer conversations, and store operations create respect that no title can replace.Separate technical skill from ownership readiness. A strong technician is valuable, but ownership also requires leadership, vision, decision-making, and the ability to carry people through change.Use growth to create opportunity for the next layer of leaders. Multi-location operators need people who see a future inside the business, not just a job inside the shop.

    The Succession Plan Most Tire Shops Overlook
  5. 24 jun

    The Tire Sale That Keeps Repair Customers Coming Back

    Brad Griffin owns Griffin Tire and Auto, with two locations in Charlotte, North Carolina. His family has done business in Charlotte since 1961, the Berkshire location has operated since 1989, and Brad is the third generation around the business. The shops have shifted toward commercial and fleet accounts while continuing to serve retail customers. Brad has made his shops competitive on tire pricing to bring customers back for higher-profit repair and maintenance work, an approach built on customer retention through tire sales. He emphasizes a team, from the counter to the technicians, who can hold a knowledgeable conversation with any customer. In this episode… The oil change is no longer the hook. Intervals have stretched so far that the dependable three-month visit is gone, and the shops that built their traffic on it are watching customers drift to whoever they pass next. Brad makes a sharper play: tires and rotations now do the work the oil change used to do, bringing drivers back on a schedule you can count on. The tension lives in the pricing. Charge what the market expects and you protect margin but lose the relationship. Sharpen the pencil on tires and you trade a little short-term profit for a customer who returns for years of repair and maintenance work. Brad lays out the math that decides which side of that line a shop lands on, plus the staffing, sourcing, and trust decisions that hold the whole model together. Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:  [03:07] Brad's background and the family path into the business [05:25] Going to market with tires as the new loss leader [06:46] Staffing and training technicians in a tight labor market [08:26] Choosing tire brands and reading customer value [15:06] How tires build the relationship that drives repair work [17:26] Selling "happy" versus running a need-based business [21:40] Customer-first service against the big-box model [23:58] Tariffs, parts sourcing, and the Right to Repair Act [30:05] Closing philosophy on people and customer education Resources mentioned in this episode: Brad Griffin on LinkedInGriffin Tire & Auto WebsiteTread PartnersGain Traction Podcast on YouTubeGain Traction Podcast WebsiteMike Edge on LinkedInQuotable Moments: "The best tire is the one that fills the need of the customer and provides a profit to us.""We joke that we're the dentist that you can't feel.""The tire seems to be the easiest way to show value, because, quite frankly, most people don't know enough about their cars to understand the repairs.""Focus on taking care of the customer, value their dollar, value their time.""Everybody who walks through those doors doesn't come because they have to, they come because they want to."Action Steps: Audit your current loss leader this week and rebuild customer retention through tire sales by pricing tires and rotations to pull drivers back on a predictable schedule.Stop quoting premium brands your volume cannot support; stock a strong tier-two or tier-three line with a comparable mileage warranty and sell it on dollars-per-mile value.Run the used-versus-new math for a customer at the counter tomorrow to show why a cheaper used tire often costs more per mile than a new one.Coach every person from the counter to the bay to explain a repair in plain terms, since that conversation is what earns the next visit.Track repeat-visit rate by customer, not just ticket average, and make protecting the customer's time the metric your team manages to.

    The Tire Sale That Keeps Repair Customers Coming Back
  6. 17 jun

    Why Long Car Loans Are Changing Auto Repair

    Tim Szabo is the owner and president of Trail Tire stores in Edmonton, Alberta, and Hoosier Tire Western Canada. He grew up working in his father’s repair shop, became a journeyman technician at 21, and has spent nearly three decades in the automotive industry. His experience spans vehicle repair, shop operations, customer service, and business ownership. That background gives him a clear view of how long car loans and repairs are changing customer behavior, maintenance decisions, and the role independent shops play in keeping aging vehicles on the road. In this episode… Eight-year auto loans have changed the repair cycle. Drivers reach the five-year mark still owing years of payments just as suspension work, fluid services, leaks, tires, and other major expenses begin appearing. Trading the vehicle often means carrying negative equity into another long loan, so repairing and maintaining the current vehicle becomes the more practical path. That shift creates a new responsibility for multi-location operators. A declined repair no longer means the customer sees no value in the work. Many customers lack a clear picture of what the vehicle is worth, what they still owe, and what continued neglect will cost. Shops that explain those numbers, document developing problems, and present financing without pressure become trusted advisers rather than another unexpected bill. Customer education also protects future revenue. Clear recommendations, digital inspection records, and documented “next time” items give customers time to plan. They show exactly how a small leak, skipped service, or delayed repair turns into a larger failure. The shop earns trust by helping customers avoid the same financial situation again. Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:  [01:02] Tim Szabo’s automotive background and career path [05:03] Long car loans reshape vehicle repair decisions [08:20] Trail Tire’s approach to customer financing [14:34] Deferred maintenance reduces vehicle value [18:36] Customer education prevents repeat repair problems [22:47] Education as the foundation of a successful shop [25:05] Digital records strengthen transparency and trust [27:09] Tire preferences and budget tire demand [29:46] Business lessons from Ford v Ferrari [35:01] Tim’s guiding philosophy and closing advice Resources mentioned in this episode: Tim Szabo on LinkedInTrail Tire Tamarack WebsiteTread PartnersGain Traction Podcast on YouTubeGain Traction Podcast WebsiteMike Edge on LinkedInQuotable Moments: “Mileage doesn’t kill cars, neglect does.”“People’s vehicle is their freedom.”“The customer needs to know everything we’re doing, so that we don’t hide anything from them.”“Educating your customer is a key foundation in owning a successful shop.”“You never get in life what you deserve, you only get what you negotiate.”Action Steps: Review how service advisers explain negative equity.Create a standard process for presenting repair financing.Document every developing problem.Build a maintenance plan around long car loans and repairs.Track declined work and revisit it at every visit.

    Why Long Car Loans Are Changing Auto Repair
  7. 10 jun

    The Simple System That Can Add 5% Profit to Your Shop

    Jim Noblitt is the District Manager at Auto Care USA in Houston, Texas, with more than four decades of automotive experience. He entered the industry in 1979 as a mechanic’s helper, advanced into technician and dealership roles, and later helped launch Cornerstone Automotive; a business that contributed to the early operating model behind Christian Brothers Automotive. Noblitt went on to build and operate Mission Car Care in Katy, Texas, for 20 years before selling the business in 2022. His experience as a technician, owner, consultant, and multi-location operator gives him a practical view of recovering lost profit in an auto repair shop through disciplined processes, stronger financial controls, and better use of shop data. In this episode… Revenue does not disappear only through weak sales or low car count. It also disappears through unreturned cores, defective parts, missing credits, incorrect shipments, and paperwork that never gets reconciled. Noblitt estimates that these overlooked details can represent four to five percent of annual sales losses, money the shop has already earned but failed to collect. Multi-location operations carry even greater exposure because the same process failure repeats across every store. A return shelf filled with aging parts represents trapped cash, and an unverified credit slip represents money that has not reached the bottom line. Shop metrics expose another layer of lost opportunity. An extremely high close ratio often signals that advisors are presenting only the customer’s original concern. A very low close ratio signals that customers are receiving large estimates without clear priorities. Digital vehicle inspections, average written repair orders, and close ratios reveal whether advisors are identifying needed work, communicating value, and separating urgent repairs from services that belong in a future visit. Recovering lost profit in an auto repair shop requires owners to study what the numbers are saying, assign accountability for routine financial controls, and correct small operational gaps before they spread across multiple locations. Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:  [01:17] Jim Noblitt’s four-decade automotive industry career [03:25] Advancing from technician to dealership operations [04:12] Helping shape Christian Brothers Automotive’s early model [08:46] Building and selling Mission Car Care after 20 years [12:20] Applying decades of experience through shop consulting [14:24] Recovering profit through stronger parts return controls [18:55] Using shop metrics to diagnose operational weaknesses [22:54] Why experienced shop owners still need business coaching [24:34] Leadership built on fairness, trust, and quality work Resources mentioned in this episode: Tread PartnersGain Traction Podcast on YouTubeGain Traction Podcast WebsiteMike Edge on LinkedInQuotable Moments: “The numbers will usually tell you where your holes are.”“Knowing your numbers is so important.”“You’re presenting all the facts now.”“Nobody cares like the owner, you know.”“Do a good job and treat people the way you want to be treated.”Action Steps: Audit every return shelf tomorrow morning.Assign one person to own parts returns and credits.Create a weekly return-credit report for every location.Review close ratios beside average written repair orders and DVI results.Build recovering lost profit in an auto repair shop into the management scorecard.

    The Simple System That Can Add 5% Profit to Your Shop
  8. 3 jun

    Meet AACF: The Foundation Quietly Backing the Aftermarket Industry

    John Kairys is the Executive Director of the Automotive Aftermarket Charitable Foundation (AACF), a position he has held for the past two and a half years. Before stepping into the role, he served on the AACF board, giving him deep organizational context from both a governance and operational standpoint. Kairys brings more than 40 years of experience in the automotive aftermarket to the foundation. He is a consistent presence at industry conventions, trade shows, and annual meetings; including Auto Care Connect and the APSG, working to raise awareness of the AACF across every segment of the aftermarket. In this episode… Most shop owners know their employees by name. They know who just had a baby, who's been with the shop for fifteen years, who's holding things together and who's quietly struggling. What they don't always know is what happens to that person when a car accident totals their vehicle, a house fire displaces their family, or routine back surgery leaves them unable to walk. The automotive aftermarket has a safety net built specifically for those moments. It isn't workers' comp. It isn't a GoFundMe. It's a 501(c)3 nonprofit with a 29-person volunteer board, a mid-90s approval rate, and a five-day window from application to ACH deposit. The people it helps aren't just technicians and counter staff; they're marketing managers, warehouse drivers, and executives. Anyone employed in the aftermarket qualifies, whether the hardship is work-related or not. John Kairys runs that organization. He's spent two and a half years as Executive Director making sure shop owners and their employees know it exists because awareness is still the AACF's biggest obstacle. Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:  [01:01] Meet John Kairys, Executive Director of the AACF [02:15] Who qualifies and what hardships the AACF covers [06:01] The annual Classic Car Sweepstakes: How to donate and enter [07:54] Stories of hope: A routine surgery that changed everything [12:42] Stories of hope: A totaled vehicle, then a house fire two weeks later [15:39] Corporate giving, sponsorships, and the annual SEMA fundraiser [19:28] Two paid staff, a 29-member board, and how to connect [22:14] The Aftermarket Hearts Giving Circle: Recurring giving for industry insiders Resources mentioned in this episode: Automotive Aftermarket Charitable Foundation WebsiteJohn Kairys on LinkedInTread PartnersGain Traction Podcast on YouTubeGain Traction Podcast WebsiteMike Edge on LinkedInQuotable Moments: "We like to say we take care of our own.""Our biggest challenge is awareness, and that is getting people to know who we are and what we do.""The AACF is the on-ramp to the freeway of recovery.""After losing so much so quickly, the AACF gave me hope and a way to start over."  — AACF recipient, shared by John Kairys"God forbid, if ever you need that help, the AACF will be there for you."Action Steps: Share the AACF with your team this week. Send an internal message or post a one-pager in your break room with the link to aftermarketcharity.org. Make a corporate donation or explore sponsorship. The automotive aftermarket charitable foundation is a 501(c)3, meaning contributions are tax-deductible. Sign up for the Aftermarket Hearts Giving Circle. Recurring donations start at $5 a month.Add AACF to your employee onboarding materials. The application is at aftermarketcharity.org, reviewed within 24 hours, and results in a direct ACH deposit within five days.Attend the SEMA events if you're in Las Vegas. Reach out to John Kairys directly through the leadership page at aftermarketcharity.org to get involved.

    Meet AACF: The Foundation Quietly Backing the Aftermarket Industry

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The Gain Traction Podcast features top tire and auto repair professionals, shop owners, industry executives, and thought leaders.

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