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We put a hat on AI
The SecureBlue/ublue thing
The UNIX Wars part deux


0:00 Cold Open
1:49 Artificial Fedora
28:35 The ImmutaBlues
54:01 Feedback
55:20 Tane on Notes and Unix
59:28 Ian on Unix
1:02:33 Chris on Notes and Sync
1:10:22 A Quick Release Update
1:14:41 Next Time
1:18:03 Stinger


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Matthew Miller on AI in Fedora


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Course correction on Secureblue


We messed up but RoyalOughtness, the creator of Secureblue, set us straight.
Atomic Fedora is the start of the pipeline:
xkbcat


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Reverb Focus

Tane via Email


Tane uses Nextcloud Notes
Also Iotas
Unix Wars
[The terms of the Open Group](Open Group https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html)
Current Open Group members


Ian via email


BSD, AIX, HP-UX and similar are all as UNIX as you can get these days. They started out as licensed UNIX Operating Systems with a direct IP license from AT&T and passed whatever requirements AT&T had at the time.


Chris via email


Obsidian is not FOSS.
Logseq is overwhelming at first but good now.


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Themes Are More Global Than You Think
Kdenlive Does Some Layering
The History of LXDE
To Qt, or not to Qt?
Then, we call an audible


0:00 Cold Open
2:17 Theme of the Crop
16:22 The Lost Edit
28:11 The History of LXDE
55:51 How'd LXQt and LXDE Go?
1:24:28 Next Time
1:31:13 Stinger


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🔥Warm Up🔥 - AI on the Linux Desktop

KDE's Attack Surface?


Hackaday coverage
The Reddit Post


Kdenlive gave Leo a hard time


24.02.0 was hot off the press and Leo couldn't resist.
Thankfully 24.02.1 followed to hopefully resolve the issues.


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The History of LXDE (and some LXQt)


The LXDE mailing list goes back to 2008
Ubuntu Lite
later known as U-lite commited to using LXDE.
DesktopLinux.com coverage
Elemental Linux, MoonOS and WattOS followed with a commitment
A PCManFM review from 2008
The blog appears
December 2008 status update
Sidux adds an unofficial LXDE flavor
Mandriva adds LXDE
Fedora too
LXDE Translation project
PCMan asks the community for feedback
FOSDEM 2009
Lubuntu enters the chat
LXDE on android phones
LXDE on Solaris
LXDE in Centos
PCLXDE
First Lubuntu test ISO
Fedora success
OpenSUSE status update
Refactor time
Rewrite, and make it faster
Movable desktop icons
LXDE becomes an available Debian desktop
A Qt port begins
Diverse paths
PCMan develops a "Guide for Migrating from Gtk+ to Qt"
LXDE-QT preview
Razor-Qt
PCMan had this to say about Razor-Qt
A merger of LXDE-Qt and Razor-Qt
LXDE-Qt is not bloated
PCManFM-Qt was in a usable state
LXQt alpha is announced
shortly after it was announced.
Initial FreeBSD support for LXQt
Comparing Numbers
LXQt got “full” Qt5 support
LXQt 0.8 released
LXDE is still going
We say goodbye to Razor-qt
The 0.9 release was caught on snags but eventually released
LXQt 0.10 followed
LXQt 0.11 released
More stats
LXQt 0.12.0
LXQt 0.13.0
The end for GTK 2
Debian, at the time, set the death date
GTK 3 would end up being the target for LXDE
LXQt 0.17
LXQt 1.0.0 was released!
LXDE diehards are still keeping things alive for LXDE
LXQt 2.0 is planned to release in the usual April slot
Speaking of Wayland
Quick LXQt History


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Telemetry helps us all
Immutability blues
A correction or two
And more feedback


📽️The video version
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0:00 Cold Open
1:34 The GOOD Telemetry
23:33 Gnome Classic & Friends
31:16 The Incredible Immutables
44:00 A Slight Correction
50:25 A Little Backstory
59:24 mintCast, CKP, FCWN & DHD
1:02:31 So Lightweight!
1:10:23 Another Dive into Notes
1:21:48 Fix GRUB, Add Color
1:29:49 Next Time
1:31:58 Stinger


🔥Warm up🔥

Dan Johansen in Matrix



pkgstats
Fun Stats


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Fragmentation? Not on My Watch!

Muesli from Matrix



Gnome Classic
Is it healthy co-opetition or fragmentation? Let us know.
Secureblue
beginning of the year
BlueBuild


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A quick correction

jensmander1223 on Youtube



OpenIndiana is Unix-Like but it's own thing


The history of Dan and Leo

visamp from Matrix



Leo and Dan both did Linux Spotlight Episodes with our former co-host Rocco. Dan's episode and Leo's
We plan to drop some more tidbits in the not too distant future.


Peter Jones



Thanks for the support and for listening.
Mintcast
Crowbar Kernel Panic
Full Circle Weekly


Emiliano from Argentina



Thanks for the message, the Spanish test and the support.


QOwnNotes & Joplin

Scott



Scott recommends QOwnNotes and not Joplin.


Another Vote for Obsidian. Then Anki, RemNote and LogSeq

DesertDoug



Doug searched long and hard recently for a note taking app too. Doug bumped into Obsidian, Anki, RemNote and Logseq.


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Gentoo Focus


Jensmander1223 sent some tips to help Dan with his bootloader issue. Dan will continue to keep working on that. Jensmander also sent along the tip to use colordiff which can highlight differences when changing config files. We plan to go over a few of these on an upcoming livestream.


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The AI Revolution is Coming
The History of MATE
We Read the Tea Leaves
Then Look to Lighten the Load


The Video
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0:00 Cold Open
4:09 Embrace the AI Overlords
21:45 The History of MATE
42:22 How Is MATE?
1:05:16 Next Time
1:07:51 Stinger


Preshow - The Computer Shopper


Dan is sitting on a gold mine with his collection of Computer Shoppers


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Deepin OS is working on adding AI in Another link


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The History of Mate


The first MATE org blogpost
The initial Arch Linux forum post
Perberos described the fork as...
Phoronix August 2011
ingeek 2011
Perberos attempted to grow the community on the Ubuntu forums and Linux Mint forums
Perberos, Clement Lefebvre, Stefano Karapetsas, and Steve Zesch were the founders.
The initial migration script
Salix had been one of the very first distributions to headline MATE
The GNOME team created GNOME Flashback
MATE University
GhostBSD features the Mate desktop
By the end of the year and into 2014, MATE was officially available in Arch, Debian, Fedora, Linux Mint, openSUSE, Sabayon, Salix and Ubuntu.
Stefano Karapestas stepped up to lead the team.
Clem had his part-ownership of MATE removed. He had this to say
The big scoop MATE 1.28 and1.28.1 were recently released!


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We add to the KDE saga
We search for the humans on the other end of the Internet
We pour over the Feedback
We focus on the Gentoo feedback


The Video Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tALGS4Vtei0


Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:30 The KDE AMA
7:47 The Truth About KDE 4.0
19:46 AppImage Is Broken in Ubuntu
24:47 There Be Humans Out There
40:07 Reverb Focus!



41:33 Douglas (Old Mac, New Tricks)
49:29 Bruce (Well, Why Don't Ya?!)
55:12 Jayden (GNOME Syndrome)
1:04:15 The Care & Feeding of Gentoo (feat. Ryan)
1:15:51 Next Time!
1:20:32 Stinger


🔥Warm up🔥


There was an KDE AMA on Lemmy and on Reddit
Troy Unrau, a KDE dev, on the KDE History


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There are humans on the other end of that Internet


This conversation was sparked from this Tweet
Linus gets passionate sometimes


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Reverb Focus

Douglas Paul


Douglas does his own 12 step distro hop program.
Gnome, Fedora, with Extensions and Albert is the landing spot... at least for now.


Bruce Hankins on Why Don't You Use Linux (4:11)


Two categories of users, average users and power users.
Average users don't really tinker.
Power users like to tinker (this is where Leo and Dan fall as well as many of you) but there is a small amount of us.
Installation of the system and applications is not intuitive.


Jayden on Why Don't You Use Linux (4:11) AAAAAAND a Note Suggestion


Gnome with gestures and multi-touch are great.
A couple of note taking apps for Leo to chase - Xournal++ and Rnote


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Gentoo Focus


Kerneltux sent in his "care and feeding" notes for Gentoo. We plan to go over a few of these on an upcoming livestream.


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Notating the Notes
The History of KDE
And Plasma, Straight from the Tap


Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:44 A Note on Notes
22:52 The History of KDE
28:29 History: KDE 1
30:42 History: KDE 2
33:03 History: KDE 3
36:21 History: KDE 4
45:36 History: Plasma 5
51:34 History: Plasma 6
53:17 Plasma 6 Raw (hide)
1:20:49 Next Time: Topics, then MATE
1:27:37 Stinger


Watch the video
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🔥Warm Up🔥


Leo hits the books and learns about reference style links in markdown. Thanks go to Dominic and Furicle.
Eric mentioned MarkText and now the squirrels have Dan chasing that.
Leo tries settling on Vivaldi Notes.


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The History of KDE


The email on October 14, 1996 to start it all.
KDE ONE
K Desktop Environment first real beta release.
Beta 1 Screenshots
KDE 1.0 was released on July 12, 1998.
1998 Interview of Matthias Ettrich
KFM turned into Konqueror.
Konqi
KDE 2.0
KDE 2.1
In April of 2002, KDE 3.0 was released.
2003 Interview of Matthias Ettrich
2004 Interview of Matthias Ettrich
KDE Community World Summit 2004 "aKademy".
2005 Interview of Matthias Ettrich
April 8, 2005 Kubuntu.
KDE 3.5
KDE Four Core Meeting
KDE 4
Oxygen
2008 Interview of Matthias Ettrich
KDE hit the 1,000,000 commit
Starting from 4.3.4, is a "software compilation".
November 2009, K Desktop Environment is just KDE, now.
Fork of KDE 3.5 becomes Trinity Desktop Environment.
KDE SC 4.5.
October 2010, an official split from KOffice
Plasma Active
KDE Manifesto
December 2012, a redesigned Konqi.
KDE release structure changed.
KDE SC 4.14 the last in the series.
Plasma 5 and Frameworks 5
2015 Wayland enters the room.
Plasma Mobile
Plasma Bigscreen
KDE Neon
Slimbook
KDE Plasma is chosen for the Steam Deck when in Desktop Mode!
The development and chat platforms move to Gitlab and Matrix.
The first release candidate for Plasma 6
Plasma 6's release date is planned for February 28th of 2024.


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