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Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]

Kelly Chase & Jay Christopher King
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Reality isn’t what you’ve been told. Cosmosis is your portal to the edge of what we know—and what we don’t. Hosted by writer and researcher Kelly Chase (The UFO Rabbit Hole) and lifelong experiencer and filmmaker Jay Christopher King (The Experiencer Group), this podcast explores the mysteries of UFOs, non-human intelligence, consciousness, the paranormal, and the hidden architectures of reality. We’re not here for manufactured narratives about UFO disclosure or sanitized intelligence community talking points. We’re after the real story—one that’s far stranger, far more beautiful, and far more transformative than we've ever been told. Each episode brings you in-the-field conversations and deep-dive interviews with experiencers, researchers, scientists, and visionaries—people pushing the boundaries of what’s possible and reimagining what it means to be human. If you’ve ever felt the signal beneath the noise… if you’re ready to question everything and follow that signal into the unknown—you’re in the right place. This is Cosmosis. Come with us. Brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. https://Cosmosis.Media [This is also where you can find all the archives from The UFO Rabbit Hole podcast.]

  1. Reading Reality: Myth, Time, and the Simulation Hypothesis with LD Deutsch

    2 DAYS AGO

    Reading Reality: Myth, Time, and the Simulation Hypothesis with LD Deutsch

    In this episode, Jay sits down with author of Time, Myth and Matter, LD Deutsch, for a wide-ranging conversation about time, myth, consciousness, and the instability of reality itself. LD Deutsch shares her journey from precognitive dreams to the cutting edge of consciousness studies, weaving together threads of Jungian psychology, mythology, physics, and technology. Together, they explore: How myth and physics act as complementary ways of “reading” reality. The strange synchronicity between the I Ching and the birth of binary code. Why the Simulation Hypothesis functions more like a creation myth than a scientific theory. The paradox of time—eternalism versus presentism—and what it means for precognition. The role of synchronicity, archetypes, and trickster phenomena at the boundaries of the unknown. LD Deutsch’s insights point to a deeper, underlying order where psyche and matter are inseparably linked—and where the stories we tell become the architectures of reality itself. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Resources & References LD Deutsch, Time, Myth and Matter: https://www.sacredbonesrecords.com/products/sbb022-ld-deutsch-time-myth-and-matter?srsltid=AfmBOoow94a8kN69LM0qXghhuVun28QTBmv0mlBE6r6FjxzZKHEeOiKF Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 04:23 L.D.'s Journey and Inspirations 13:38 Exploring the I Ching and Binary Code 23:55 Techno-Mythology and the Simulation Hypothesis 44:35 The Paradox of Simulated Realities 45:41 Big Bang and Creation Myths 46:50 Eternalism vs. Presentism 47:40 Three Types of Time 50:35 The Block Universe Model 54:00 Reconciling Physics and Neuroscience 58:32 Precognition and Consciousness 01:03:39 Synchronicities and Consciousness 01:10:05 Archetypes and the Unknown 01:16:00 New Myths for a New Era 01:25:19 Future Research Directions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 35m
  2. Plasma, Consciousness & the Future of Anomalous Studies

    28 AUG

    Plasma, Consciousness & the Future of Anomalous Studies

    What if 99% of the universe holds the key to understanding UFOs, paranormal phenomena, and even consciousness itself? In this episode, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King dive deep into the plasma hypothesis—a paradigm-shifting idea that plasma, the fourth state of matter, may act as a substrate for intelligence. Fresh from the University of Exeter workshop on plasma cosmology (with thinkers like Robert Temple, Jeffrey Kripal, Bernard Carr, and Nick Cook), Kelly unpacks the conversations that are reshaping the frontier of science and anomalous studies. Together, Kelly and Jay explore: What plasma actually is and why it makes up nearly all of the visible universe. Robert Temple’s groundbreaking book A New Science of Heaven and its implications for UFOs and consciousness studies. Why orb encounters and plasma-like phenomena may be central to the experiencer narrative. The limits of materialist explanations—and why plasma may not explain everything. How process philosophy and transpersonal psychology open new frameworks for exploring intelligent plasma. The overlap between orbs, UFOs, cryptids, and the land of the dead. The risks of overreach and the need to resist turning plasma into the next “quantum” catch-all. From the cutting edge of astrophysics to the lived realities of experiencers, this conversation wrestles with the biggest question of all: could plasma be the hidden medium of mind, matter, and mystery? ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.MediaMusic for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Resources & References Robert Temple, A New Science of Heaven: https://a.co/d/9cIc6Ec Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 01:51 Diving into Plasma Cosmology 03:45 Understanding Plasma: The Fourth State of Matter 06:55 The Potential of Plasma as a Substrate for Intelligence 09:53 Speculations on Plasma and Anomalous Phenomena 14:14 Challenges in Defining Plasma Intelligence 20:26 Exploring Plasma's Physical and Non-Physical Interactions 27:49 Philosophical Perspectives on Plasma Intelligence 31:53 Exploring Paranormal Phenomena 32:40 Interdimensional Theories and Consciousness 34:44 Plasma and Human Connection 35:24 Historical UFO Cases 38:35 Life, Death, and Plasma Phenomena 48:23 Orbs and UFOs: A Deeper Look 56:40 Future Research and Exploration 58:55 Closing Remarks and Community Engagement Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 4m
  3. Unfurling The Myth: Narrative As Interface Between Psyche & The Field

    21 AUG

    Unfurling The Myth: Narrative As Interface Between Psyche & The Field

    In this episode, Kelly shares her recent paper Unfurling the Myth, presented at the University of Exeter during a workshop on Process Philosophy, Plasma Cosmology, and Transpersonal Psychology. This gathering brought together scientists, philosophers, and researchers—including Robert Temple, Jeffrey Kripal, Bernard Carr, Massimo Teodorani, and Nick Cook—to explore the possibility that plasma, the fourth state of matter, could serve as a substrate for non-biological intelligence. Kelly’s paper argues that the UFO phenomenon is not just an anomaly in the sky but a relational event—an encounter that engages the psyche through the deep structures of narrative. Rather than delivering answers, the phenomenon generates mystery, catalyzing transformation on both personal and cultural levels. Drawing on thinkers like Robert Temple, Jacques Vallée, and Eric Davis, as well as research in narrative cognition and the psychology of curiosity, Kelly explores how UFOs may function as mythic initiators: destabilizing our categories of knowledge, activating curiosity, and compelling us to tell new stories. These stories are not just interpretations but mechanisms of reality-making—reshaping our understanding of self, world, and cosmos. Plasma cosmology and the possibility of plasma-based intelligence The UFO as relational event, not just object or craft Narrative as a generative interface between psyche and field How curiosity and myth catalyze transformation The “Call to Adventure” in experiencer narratives Cultural and personal shifts documented in experiencer research The UFO as evolutionary function, seeding new myths and meanings Whether you’re new to these ideas or steeped in the mysteries of UFOs, this episode invites you to consider the phenomenon not as something to solve, but as something to participate in—a story in which we are all co-creators. Resources Robert Temple, A New Science of Heaven Jacques Vallée & Eric Davis, Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness George Loewenstein, The Psychology of Curiosity Will Storr, The Science of Storytelling Stanislav & Christina Grof, Spiritual Emergency Hernandez et al., Beyond UFOs Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 00:38 Exploring Plasma Cosmology 01:22 The Significance of Plasma-Based Intelligence 02:20 Introduction to the Paper: Unfurling the Myth 03:25 Understanding the UFO Phenomenon 04:51 The Role of Narrative in UFO Encounters 06:45 Rethinking the UFO 11:25 Curiosity and the Mythic Initiation 15:30 Awakening the Hero Within 19:57 Remaking the World Through UFO Encounters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    30 min

  4. 13 AUG

    Fourth Wall Phantoms with Joshua Cutchin

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    1h 31m
  5. [Trailer] The New Season of Cosmosis Is Coming Soon

    12 AUG

    [Trailer] The New Season of Cosmosis Is Coming Soon

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    1 min
  6. [The Great Dangerous Books Podcast] Jacques Vallée's 'Messengers of Deception' with Kelly Chase

    11 AUG

    [The Great Dangerous Books Podcast] Jacques Vallée's 'Messengers of Deception' with Kelly Chase

    Fan favorite, James Madden, has a brand new project with his brilliant co-host Jared Zimmerer called The Great Dangerous Books Podcast. Check out this episode to catch the vibe of the show, and if you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.  Subscribe to The Great Dangerous Books Podcast Spotify Apple Podcasts YouTube In this episode, Jim and Jared discuss the complexities of the UFO phenomenon with special guest Kelly Chase, focusing on Jacques Vallee's influential work 'Messengers of Deception.' They explore themes of manipulation, the unconscious, and the power of images in shaping belief systems. The conversation delves into the psychological impact of UFO experiences, the dangers of ontological shock, and the need for critical thinking in the field of ufology. Throughout, they emphasize the importance of self-awareness and the challenges of integrating extraordinary experiences into one's worldview. TIMESTAMPS 01:28 Introducing Kelly Chase and Her Work 03:09 Exploring Jacques Vallee's 'Messengers of Deception' 05:17 Vallee's Perspective on UFOs and Manipulation 09:47 The Reliability of Jacques Vallee 12:05 The Nature of Reality and Ideological Structures 15:04 The Impact of Ontological Shock 18:45 The Role of the Unconscious in UFO Phenomena 22:08 The Dangers of Manipulation and Belief Systems 27:44 Connecting Modernity and Public Manipulation 32:56 The Internet's Oppenheimer: Valet's Perspective 35:32 The Power of Images and Human Manipulation 39:57 Gnosticism and the Quest for Knowledge 44:05 The Nature of UFO Phenomena and Human Belief 47:35 The Intersection of Science and Mythology 52:11 Critical Inquiry and the Nature of Belief 55:32 The Joy of Inquiry and the Dangers of Ufology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 10m
  7. Ep 12: Magic, Consciousness, and Anomalous Reality with Mitch Horowitz

    30 JUL

    Ep 12: Magic, Consciousness, and Anomalous Reality with Mitch Horowitz

    In this episode of Cosmosis, Jay Christopher King sits down with historian and esoteric scholar Mitch Horowitz for a wide-ranging conversation about magic, consciousness, and the anomalous. He is the author of numerous books Occult America, The Miracle Club, and Practical Magick, Mitch is a singular voice who bridges the academy, pop culture, and the esoteric underground with rare clarity and rigor. Together, they explore: The convergence between magical practice and parapsychology Ritual as an experimental interface with anomalous phenomena The significance of emotional investment and “skin in the game” in psi effects Chaos magic, sigils, and how to test magical practice for yourself Ethics in magic and the overlooked power of reciprocity Sexual transmutation and sex magic as tools of transformation The strange reality of retrocausality and backwards time effects The cultural blind spots of mainstream science and skepticism Mitch’s pivotal experience editing The Super Natural with Whitley Strieber and Jeff Kripal  This episode offers a powerful invitation to take magic seriously—not as superstition, but as a methodology of intention, experimentation, and meaning-making. Whether you’re a seasoned practitioner or an experiencer just starting to make sense of your reality, Mitch’s grounded, historically informed approach opens new doors. 🎧 Listen if you’re curious about: How magical frameworks might stabilize or map high-strangeness phenomena What it means to “test” magic—and why your results might come dressed in the unexpected How to reclaim personal agency in the face of ontological shock More From Mitch Horowitz Books Substack Podcast X Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:https://www.cosmosis.media/Donate to The Experiencer Grouphttps://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=TBPJNDVY9QJFUJoin the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismediaSubscribe to Cosmosis:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.PodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479dApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow CosmosisX: https://x.com/cosmosis_mediaFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfrInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.mediaListen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQApple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS​04:55 Diving into the Conversation with Mitch Horowitz05:20 Exploring the Intersection of Magic and Ufology23:01 Mitch Horowitz's Journey into Magic26:51 Ethics and Practical Magic37:08 Introduction to Sil Magic37:51 Origins and Practice of Sil Magic39:30 The Role of Climax in Sil Magic41:26 Anarchic Magic and Deity Petition43:55 Exploring Sex Magic48:48 Sex Transmutation Techniques52:19 Backwards Causation and Time01:06:10 Parapsychology and JB Rhine's Experiments01:11:19 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 18m
  8. Ep 11: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure

    17 JUN

    Ep 11: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure

    In this special episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase presents an updated version of her 2025 Contact in the Desert keynote, “UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure.” This talk goes beyond the surface of the UFO phenomenon to explore the hidden architecture of secrecy and the sophisticated mechanics of narrative control. Drawing from deep research into intelligence tradecraft, counterintelligence, and disinformation—along with firsthand interactions with members of the intelligence community—Kelly unpacks how belief itself becomes a weapon in the battle for truth. From psychological operations to perception management, from limited hangouts to the “secret onion” model of secrecy, this episode reveals how our search for answers is being actively shaped, steered, and contained. But this isn’t a story about villains. It’s a call to responsibility. Kelly challenges listeners to reclaim their intellectual sovereignty, resist easy answers, and build discernment in an information landscape designed to confuse. Whether you're a skeptic, experiencer, journalist, or just UFO-curious, this talk will change how you see not just the phenomenon—but the stories we tell about it. Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:https://www.cosmosis.media/Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismediaSubscribe to Cosmosis:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.PodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479dApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow CosmosisX: https://x.com/cosmosis_mediaFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfrInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.mediaListen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQApple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC  TIMESTAMPS 02:55 The Role of Intelligence in UFO Narratives 07:42 The Complexity of Secrecy and Perception Management 16:08 The Secret Onion: Layers of Deception 26:35 The Scale and Impact of Institutionalized Secrecy 37:31 Heroes, Villains, and Controlled Opposition 45:58 The Power of Sincere Belief 48:10 The Hero Trap in UFO Narratives 50:47 Counterintelligence and Narrative Control 54:14 The 80-20 Rule in Disinformation 55:49 Limited Hangouts and Perception Management 01:00:54 Character Assassination and Narrative Flooding 01:08:03 The Weaponization of Belief 01:14:50 Reclaiming Intellectual Sovereignty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 28m
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Reality isn’t what you’ve been told. Cosmosis is your portal to the edge of what we know—and what we don’t. Hosted by writer and researcher Kelly Chase (The UFO Rabbit Hole) and lifelong experiencer and filmmaker Jay Christopher King (The Experiencer Group), this podcast explores the mysteries of UFOs, non-human intelligence, consciousness, the paranormal, and the hidden architectures of reality. We’re not here for manufactured narratives about UFO disclosure or sanitized intelligence community talking points. We’re after the real story—one that’s far stranger, far more beautiful, and far more transformative than we've ever been told. Each episode brings you in-the-field conversations and deep-dive interviews with experiencers, researchers, scientists, and visionaries—people pushing the boundaries of what’s possible and reimagining what it means to be human. If you’ve ever felt the signal beneath the noise… if you’re ready to question everything and follow that signal into the unknown—you’re in the right place. This is Cosmosis. Come with us. Brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. https://Cosmosis.Media [This is also where you can find all the archives from The UFO Rabbit Hole podcast.]

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  • Creator
    Kelly Chase & Jay Christopher King
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2025
  • Episodes
    83
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Copyright Ontocalypse Productions
  • Show Website
    Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]
  • Provider
    Kelly Chase

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