Beyond The Surface

Samantha Sellers
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Welcome to Beyond the Surface, where being seen means being understood. Here, we explore the ups and downs of exploring and sometimes losing faith and community, and the healing power of shared stories. This is a safe space to connect, share, and find support in our common experiences of religious trauma and leaving fundamental communities. Join us as we build a community of understanding and connection. Host - Sam Sellers; Therapist specialising in Religious Trauma & Cult Recovery Links: Website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.au Facebook - www.facebook.com/anchoredcounsellingservices Instagram - www.instagram.com/anchoredcounsellingservices

  1. Cult Bride: The Traces That Don't Just Disappear

    2 HRS AGO

    Cult Bride: The Traces That Don't Just Disappear

    Liz Cameron, author of Cult Bride, joins Sam for a conversation that is as grounding as it is eye-opening, bringing her own story and hard-won insight to bear on the realities of life inside a high-control religious group and the long, non-linear road of recovery that follows. Together they dig into the way fundamentalist belief systems shape identity from the inside out, leaving traces that don't simply vanish when you walk away and why that complexity deserves to be named honestly rather than rushed through. Liz speaks with both vulnerability and clarity about abuse, cult dynamics, and the ongoing work of rebuilding a sense of self after years of exposure to oppressive systems, and the conversation carries a warmth that will feel like company to anyone who has ever felt alone in that process. If you're somewhere in the aftermath of leaving a high-control group, this one is for you. Who Is Liz? Liz Cameron grew up in fundamentalist Christianity and was brainwashed into the JMS cult at age 18 in 2011. Since escaping in 2013, she’s worked on slowly rebuilding her life while also helping to raise awareness of cults and assisting other cult victims. She now resides in Canberra and balances full-time professional work with cult awareness and advocacy, while also studying a psychology degree. In 2023, after flying to South Korea to film the documentary The Cult Next Door for Channel 7’s Spotlight program, Liz’s public profile grew as she began talking honestly on social media about the insidious nature of cults. In 2025 her memoir, Cult Bride, was published. Connect Connect with Liz via InstagramBe sure to grab a copy (or listen) to Cult Bride You can find out more about Sam on her website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.auTo connect with Sam on Instagram - @anchoredcounsellingservicesWant to contact with Sam about the podcast or therapy? Use this contact form.Also check out The Religious Trauma Collective

    1hr 13min
  2. Different Packaging, Same Harm: The Patterns We Swore We'd Left Behind

    29 APR

    Different Packaging, Same Harm: The Patterns We Swore We'd Left Behind

    In this solo episode, Sam turns her attention to something that might be uncomfortable to sit with and that's the way progressive, supposedly safe communities can replicate the very dynamics of control and harm that so many of us fled organised religion to escape. Drawing on her own experiences, Sam examines how the instincts shaped by high-control environments don't just disappear when we land somewhere that looks different on the surface, and how even well-meaning communities can prioritise group harmony and reputation over genuine accountability to the people they've hurt. It's a sharp, honest look at the ways dissent gets managed rather than engaged, and an invitation to listeners to get curious about their own reflexes because the work of not repeating harmful patterns isn't a destination, it's a practice, and it starts with being willing to look at ourselves honestly. Connect You can find out more about Sam on her website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.auTo connect with Sam on Instagram - @anchoredcounsellingservicesWant to contact with Sam about the podcast or therapy? Use this contact form.Also check out The Religious Trauma Collective

    39 min
  3. When the Cracks Start to Show and Leaving the 2x2's

    22 APR

    When the Cracks Start to Show and Leaving the 2x2's

    Alicia joins Sam to offer a candid look inside The Truth also known as the 2x2's - a high-control religious system that receives far less public attention than it deserves. Drawing on her own lived experience, Alicia traces the gradual process of waking up to the inconsistencies within her faith community, the anxiety that accompanied that awakening, and the profound identity questions that surface when the world you were raised in begins to unravel. Together, Sam and Alicia explore the layered grief of leaving; not just a belief system, but a community, a family framework, and a sense of self that was built entirely within it. It's a conversation full of honesty and quiet resilience, and a powerful reminder that finding your way out is only the beginning of finding your way home to yourself. Who Is Alicia? Alicia is a mum and former member of the 2x2s, also known as The Truth or The Way, a secretive, international Christian sect with no formal name, no buildings, and a culture of silence that runs deep. Based in British Columbia, Canada, she's done with staying small and is now in the thick of rebuilding a life on her own terms. She's the host of We Are Unsaved, a podcast getting real about life after high-control religion. Connect You can connect with Alicia over on IG - https://www.instagram.com/aliciaross.creative/Listen to We Are Unsaved You can find out more about Sam on her website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.auTo connect with Sam on Instagram - @anchoredcounsellingservicesWant to contact with Sam about the podcast or therapy? Use this contact form.Also check out The Religious Trauma Collective

    1hr 5min
  4. Hillsong, Queerness, and Coming Home to Yourself

    8 APR

    Hillsong, Queerness, and Coming Home to Yourself

    Andrew joins Sam for a conversation that is as honest as it is moving, reflecting on his journey out of a fundamentalist environment and the particular complexity of navigating that path as a queer person. Together they explore the painful dissonance between the safety and belonging religious communities can offer and the alienation that can follow when your identity no longer fits the mould and what it takes to begin rebuilding from that place. Andrew speaks to the role therapy and genuine human connection have played in reclaiming his sense of self, and the two dig into grief not as something to push through, but as a teacher in its own right. It's a rich, layered conversation that gently challenges listeners to consider what spirituality, healing, and self-acceptance might look like when they're finally on your own terms. Who Is Andrew? ANDREW SLOAN is a practising psychotherapist and leadership coach, working with people across diverse communities, multiple industries and unique businesses and circumstances. He is a Gallup® Certified CliftonStrengths® Coach and a Registered Clinical member of the Psychotherapy and Counselling Federation of Australia (PACFA). Andrew is a self-confessed lifelong work in progress, constantly being reshaped by new learnings and practices, as well as the wisdom of others. He is on his journey toward a better world, one small change at a time. Andrew is based in Sydney, Australia, on Gadigal Country. Connect You can connect with Andrew via his website & his Instagram You can find out more about Sam on her website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.auTo connect with Sam on Instagram - @anchoredcounsellingservicesWant to contact with Sam about the podcast or therapy? Use this contact form.Also check out The Religious Trauma Collective

    1hr 20min
  5. Hollow Sunday: Confronting the Complexity of Easter Emotions

    1 APR

    Hollow Sunday: Confronting the Complexity of Easter Emotions

    Easter is supposed to be a time of joy and renewal, but for many who've experienced religious trauma, it can bring up something far more complicated. In this episode, Sam and Elise set aside the conventional Easter narrative to sit with the harder, quieter feelings this time of year can stir up, drawing on their own experiences to explore how themes of suffering, sacrifice, and mandated celebration leave lasting marks on identity and self-perception. From the emotional whiplash between Good Friday's grief and Easter Sunday's compulsory joy, to the internal pressure of feeling like you're doing the holiday "wrong," they create an honest space for the feelings that so often go unspoken. This isn't an episode about how to cope; it's an invitation to simply acknowledge where you are, and a reminder that if Easter feels more like a weight than a celebration, you are far from alone in that. Connect With Us Connect with Elise via her website - https://www.eliseheerde.com/ and over on Instagram You can find out more about Sam on her website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.auTo connect with Sam on Instagram - @anchoredcounsellingservicesWant to contact with Sam about the podcast or therapy? Use this contact form.Also check out The Religious Trauma Collective

    1hr 28min
  6. From Obedience to Autonomy and Life Beyond Fundamentalism

    25 MAR

    From Obedience to Autonomy and Life Beyond Fundamentalism

    In this episode, Naomi shares her journey of leaving the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) world and navigating life after such a high-control environment. She talks openly about the emotional and psychological toll of religious trauma, including the difficulties of estrangement from family and the fear that comes with questioning deeply ingrained beliefs. The conversation highlights the importance of self-kindness, prioritising mental health, and reclaiming autonomy, while also exploring the opportunities for growth, empowerment, and building relationships on one’s own terms after leaving a strict religious system. Who Is Naomi? Naomi Norton is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in Missouri and Kansas, an AAMFT-Approved Supervisor, and the founder of Hope for Healing Therapy in Kansas City. She holds a PhD in Family Therapy, with research focused on how white fundamentalist evangelical Christianity conceptualizes mental illness. Her work includes developing a White American Fundamentalist Evangelical Power and Control Wheel, inspired by the Duluth Model. Naomi has worked in the mental health field for nearly a decade across psychiatric hospitals, child welfare, and intensive in-home therapy. She specializes in working with individuals and families impacted by religious trauma, spiritual abuse, faith deconstruction, and complex mental health concerns. She is trained in DBT and EMDR and is deeply committed to helping people heal from harmful religious systems while reclaiming their identity, autonomy, and sense of safety. Connect Find out more about Naomi via her website - https://www.hopeforhealingllc.org/You can also find her over on Facebook You can find out more about Sam on her website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.auTo connect with Sam on Instagram - @anchoredcounsellingservicesWant to contact with Sam about the podcast or therapy? Use this contact form.Also check out The Religious Trauma Collective

    1hr 19min
  7. Finding Freedom and Leaving the 2x2's

    18 MAR

    Finding Freedom and Leaving the 2x2's

    In this episode, Tristan shares what it was like growing up in the 2x2's, a high-control religious group that shaped much of his early life. He reflects on the strange mix of freedom and restriction in his childhood, and the confusion that can come from trying to make sense of both the good memories and the harmful parts of that upbringing. Tristan talks about the lingering impact of indoctrination, while also acknowledging the ways his experiences helped him navigate life outside the group once he left. It’s a thoughtful conversation about holding complexity, making sense of a religious past, and the importance of talking openly about these stories so people don’t have to process them alone. Who Is Tristan? Former 2x2 cult member (NZ). On a mission to understand and educate on religious trauma, religious abuse, coercive control, high control groups and navigating mental health. Connect With Us Find Tristan over on Youtube, Instagram & FacebookYou can find out more about Sam on her website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.auTo connect with Sam on Instagram - @anchoredcounsellingservicesWant to contact with Sam about the podcast or therapy? Use this contact form.Also check out The Religious Trauma Collective

    1hr 12min
  8. Exploring Identity and Power: A Deep Dive into Wicked

    11 MAR

    Exploring Identity and Power: A Deep Dive into Wicked

    This solo episode is basically me unapologetically loving Wicked and unpacking why it hits so hard for anyone who’s left a high-control religion. I talk about my deep connection to Elphaba; the “problem,” the scapegoat, the one who won’t stay small and how her story mirrors the experience of choosing authenticity over belonging. We explore the grief and liberation that come with being cast as the villain for stepping outside the system, and why that narrative feels painfully familiar for so many of us. I also spend time with Glinda, because it’s never that simple. She represents the ache of staying, the love tangled up with fear, loyalty, image, and the cost of not leaving. Through Wicked, I reflect on propaganda, scapegoating, and the way systems decide who is “good” and who is “wicked.” It’s theatre kid energy meets religious trauma processing and honestly, it makes sense of more than it probably should. Connect You can find out more about Sam on her website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.auTo connect with Sam on Instagram - @anchoredcounsellingservicesWant to contact with Sam about the podcast or therapy? Use this contact form.Also check out The Religious Trauma Collective

    1hr 25min
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Welcome to Beyond the Surface, where being seen means being understood. Here, we explore the ups and downs of exploring and sometimes losing faith and community, and the healing power of shared stories. This is a safe space to connect, share, and find support in our common experiences of religious trauma and leaving fundamental communities. Join us as we build a community of understanding and connection. Host - Sam Sellers; Therapist specialising in Religious Trauma & Cult Recovery Links: Website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.au Facebook - www.facebook.com/anchoredcounsellingservices Instagram - www.instagram.com/anchoredcounsellingservices

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  • Creator
    Samantha Sellers
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    122
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Copyright 2026 Samantha Sellers
  • Show Website
    Beyond The Surface

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