More Than a Score

Laura Pitt & Dan Steele

No one wants to peak at high school - and no one score can sum you up. More Than a Score is a podcast about life beyond school results for parents, young people, or anyone navigating change. Each episode dives into real stories of people from all walks of life: leaders, parents, athletes, entrepreneurs, and creatives. Each guest shares what school was like for them, their paths beyond school, the lessons they've learned, skills that have helped, and how they define success today. Hosted by Laura and Dan, educators with over 30 years of combined experience leading and teaching in schools, they explore how success isn’t ever defined by one score and there is no one right path after school. If you’re a parent supporting your child, an educator guiding students, or going through a change in your career, More Than a Score is made for you.

  1. Ben Amos: Why Figuring Things Out Matters More Than Having a Perfect Plan

    11 MAY

    Ben Amos: Why Figuring Things Out Matters More Than Having a Perfect Plan

    What if success isn’t about having the perfect plan but learning how to adapt when the plan changes? In this episode of More Than a Score, we sit down with Ben Amos: a teacher turned entrepreneur, digital storyteller, business owner, and someone who has built a career by staying curious, embracing change, and figuring things out as he goes. Ben’s story is a refreshing reminder that life after school doesn’t need to follow a neat or predictable script. The path he originally wanted didn’t work out, teaching became the 'fallback', but that “backup plan” became the foundation for a career that has evolved through education, entrepreneurship, creativity, storytelling, and innovation. This conversation explores what actually helps people navigate uncertainty, not just at school, but in life. For parents listening, it’s a thoughtful discussion about the kinds of skills, mindsets, and opportunities that help young people thrive in a changing world. For everyone else, it’s reassurance that not having everything mapped out doesn’t mean you’re behind. This episode’s a powerful reminder of the impact trust, autonomy, and relationships can have on shaping a young person’s confidence and future. Because sometimes success isn’t about choosing the “right” path, it's actually about learning how to keep moving when the path changes. 🎧 What You’ll Discover In this episode: • Why Ben says his school score didn’t really define his future • How a “fallback” career in teaching became a launching pad for entrepreneurship • The surprising story of being handed real responsibility as a teenager—and why that mattered • What great teachers do that students remember forever • Why adaptability may matter more than certainty in today’s world • The difference between passive hope and actively creating opportunities • How optimism, learning, and resilience helped Ben navigate change • Why failure is often feedback—not a final verdict • The importance of surrounding yourself with the right people • Practical reassurance for parents raising kids in an uncertain future Know someone with an interesting story or path? Get in touch with us at morethanascorepod@gmail.com!

    43 min
  2. Myfanwy Fitzpatrick: Intelligence Isn’t the Grade You Get

    5 MAY

    Myfanwy Fitzpatrick: Intelligence Isn’t the Grade You Get

    She was called lazy, placed on the “lowest table.”, and told she wouldn’t succeed. But the real story was something very different. In this episode of More Than a Score, we sit down with Myfanwy (Van) Fitzpatrick to explore what happens when a student is misunderstood and how that can shape identity for years. Van’s experience of school was marked by struggle, not because she lacked ability, but because her dyslexia and dyspraxia went undiagnosed. Like many students, she was labelled based on what others could see, rather than supported for what she actually needed. What makes this conversation so powerful is what happened next. Despite being told she wouldn’t succeed, Van went on to complete multiple degrees at university, become a teacher, and later transition into counselling—where she now supports others navigating their challenges. This episode goes beyond one story and is a reminder that struggle doesn’t mean inability, labels don’t define potential, and the right support can change everything. For parents, educators, and students, this is a conversation about seeing beyond results...and understanding the human behind them. And, it highlights that no matter what happens with our score or school experience, it doesn't define us. 🎧 What You’ll Discover • How early labels can shape a child’s identity and confidence • What it feels like to be misunderstood at school • The hidden impact of undiagnosed learning differences • Why being called “lazy” can be deeply damaging—and often inaccurate • The turning point of being diagnosed and finally understood • What changes when students receive the right support • How resilience is built through persistence and belief • The critical role parents play in advocating for their child • Why teachers don’t always get it right—and what to do about it • A powerful reframe: intelligence is not defined by grades

    1hr 6min
  3. Jasper Nettlefold: Success Isn’t Something You’re Given, It’s Built Over Time

    27 APR

    Jasper Nettlefold: Success Isn’t Something You’re Given, It’s Built Over Time

    Hey, help shape the Podcast! To keep improving the podcast, we’d love to know a little more about you. We’ve created a quick 2-question survey that takes about 10 seconds. As a thank you, you’ll go into the draw to win a $100 prize from July, the incredible luggage company (drawn on April 30). 👉 Complete the survey: https://forms.gle/nK52PuGAdpQtBmjB9 On With the Show!! In this episode of More Than a Score, we sit down with Jasper Nettlefold to explore what it means to navigate school, life, and identity when the path isn’t clear. Jasper’s experience of school wasn’t straightforward. At times, it felt like a “minefield”—something to get through rather than something he felt connected to. And like many young people, he left without a clear sense of what success looked like for him. What followed wasn’t a perfectly planned journey. It was a series of experiences through sport, different jobs, travel, and relationships, that gradually helped him build confidence, perspective, and a stronger sense of who he was and what success really is. This episode is a powerful reminder that success isn’t something you’re handed at the end of school. It’s something you shape over time through the choices you make, the people you surround yourself with, and your willingness to keep goin..., even when you’re not sure where it’s all heading. What You’ll Discover: • What it feels like when school doesn’t quite “fit” • Why not having a clear plan after school is more common than you think • How different jobs and experiences can shape confidence and identity • The role of sport, mentors, and relationships in personal growth • Why comparison to others can hold you back—and what to focus on instead • How to begin shaping your own definition of success • A powerful message for parents: supporting without forcing a path • Why it’s okay to take a different route—and trust it will come together This conversation is for: • Students (and anyone!) who feel unsure or off track • Parents trying to support without pushing too hard • Anyone who didn’t follow a straight line It’s a brilliant reminder that you don’t need to have it all figured out, you just need to keep moving forward. Know someone who'd be perfect for the pod? Get in touch with us at morethanascorepod@gmail.com.

    1hr 1min
  4. Lael Stone: The Courage to Find Your Own Way (Re-Release)

    19 APR

    Lael Stone: The Courage to Find Your Own Way (Re-Release)

    Hey, help shape the Podcast! To keep improving the podcast, we’d love to know a little more about you. We’ve created a quick 2-question survey that takes about 10 seconds. As a thank you, you’ll go into the draw to win a $100 prize from July, the incredible luggage company (drawn on April 30). 👉 Complete the survey: https://forms.gle/nK52PuGAdpQtBmjB9 What happens when school doesn’t quite fit you, but life beyond it opens up something bigger? In this episode of More Than a Score, we sit down with Lael Stone: speaker, educator, author, entrepreneur, parent, and founder of an school. It's a great, honest conversation about courage, connection, and redefining success. Lael reflects on leaving school without being overly concerned by her score, travelling overseas alone at 17, starting businesses before she had everything figured out, and building a life guided less by convention and more by purpose, talents, passion, and lived experiences. This is a conversation about what happens when young people are given permission to explore, when adults choose connection over judgment, and when success is measured by more than grades, qualifications, or a neat linear path. It’s also a deeply practical episode for parents and educators. Lael shares thoughtful insights on how young people ask for help, why vulnerability matters, how trust is built, and what it looks like for adults to become safe people in a young person’s world. If you’ve ever worried that you or your child don’t quite fit the traditional mould, this episode is a powerful reminder: there are many ways to learn, grow, and build a meaningful life. What You’ll Hear: - Why Lael never saw her school score as the thing that would define her future - What young people can carry when they grow up feeling “not smart” in a traditional system - The teacher who changed her life by telling her to “write about what you love” - Why travel, exploration, and lived experience became a different kind of education - The two qualities Lael credits most for her journey: courage and passion - Why she believes nothing is wasted, even when things do not work out as planned - How play can offer clues about purpose, identity, and future pathways - What stops many young people from asking for help, and how adults can lower that barrier - Why safe, non-judgmental adults matter so much in schools, families, and communities - What Lael has learned from creating a school built around connection, creativity, and emotional safety It's a powerful reminder for parents and educators: success is bigger than a score, and support often starts with how we make people feel Listen in for a conversation that will get you thinking more deeply about success, trust the longer path, and remember that who you are becoming matters more than any single result . Know someone who'd be perfect for the pod? Get in touch with us at morethanascorepod@gmail.com.

    1hr 3min
  5. Sam Gawenda: Doing Hard Things Matters More Than School Results

    13 APR

    Sam Gawenda: Doing Hard Things Matters More Than School Results

    Hey, help shape the Podcast! To keep improving the podcast, we’d love to know a little more about you. We’ve created a quick 2-question survey that takes about 10 seconds. As a thank you, you’ll go into the draw to win a $100 prize from July, the incredible luggage company (drawn on April 30). 👉 Complete the survey: https://forms.gle/nK52PuGAdpQtBmjB9 What happens if you leave school early and don’t follow the “expected” path? For Sam Gawenda, everything still worked out. In this episode of More Than a Score, we sit down with Sam to explore what success looked like when he stepped off the traditional path. From leaving school in Year 11 to becoming a bricklayer, moving into mortgage broking, building and selling a business, and now entering a new chapter, Sam’s pathway is a powerful reminder that success is rarely linear and is often unique to us. But this conversation goes deeper than career pathways. It's about the mindset behind the choices, and how Sam chooses to show up and connect with people, his willingness to do hard things, even when fear is present, and the role of mentors, relationships, and environment in shaping who we become. And the realisation that success isn’t something you achieve once—it’s something you redefine over time. We also explore a powerful and often overlooked idea—rites of passage—and what’s missing for many young people today as they navigate the transition into adulthood and a career. For parents, students, and anyone questioning whether they’re “on the right path,” this episode offers reassurance, perspective, and practical insight. Because no single score or decision defines your future. 🎧 What You’ll Hear • Why leaving school early didn’t limit Sam’s success—and what mattered more • The non-linear journey from trade to building and selling a business • Why doing hard, uncomfortable things is essential for growth • The role of mentors, relationships, and environment in shaping identity • How early experiences influence your mindset around money, freedom, and success • What it really means to “have a crack” and back yourself • Why modern life is missing meaningful rites of passage—and why that matters • How to model courage, resilience, and growth as a parent • The importance of focusing on vision over process Know someone else with a unique or interesting path? Share it with us at morethanascorepod@gmail.com!

    1hr 7min
  6. Blaise Witnish: From School Scores to CEO—What Really Matters

    5 APR

    Blaise Witnish: From School Scores to CEO—What Really Matters

    Hey, help shape the Podcast! To keep improving the podcast, we’d love to know a little more about you. We’ve created a quick 2-question survey that takes about 10 seconds. As a thank you, you’ll go into the draw to win a $100 prize from July, the incredible luggage company (drawn on April 30). 👉 Complete the survey: https://forms.gle/nK52PuGAdpQtBmjB9 On with the show! Blaise got an ATAR she was proud of...but that’s NOT what made her successful. In this episode of More Than a Score, we sit down with Blaise Witnish, CEO, community builder, and leader of a global team, to explore what really shapes a meaningful life beyond school. Blaise’s story challenges the idea that success is linear. From boarding in Year 12 after her family faced financial hardship, to discovering her strengths through drama and stand-up comedy, to building a 20-year career from the ground up, her journey is full of moments that shaped who she became. But what stands out most isn’t the titles or achievements. It’s what she learned about people, strengths, resilience, and communication and connection in a world that’s rapidly changing. This episode is a powerful reminder that while scores can open doors, they don’t define the life you build...and they’re only a small part of the bigger picture. 🎧 What You’ll Hear • Blaise’s Year 12 story—and why her result surprised her • The moment a teacher saw something in her others didn’t • How hardship and change helped build real resilience • Why understanding your child’s strengths is a game changer • The “8:1 rule” and how it shapes confidence in young people • Why communication and connection are future-proof skills • What Blaise has learned from working with young people today • A powerful reframe: why the score matters… but not for the reason you think 🔗 Explore Your Strengths (As Mentioned in This Episode) If this episode sparked your thinking about strengths and self-awareness, here are a few great tools to explore: • Gallup CliftonStrengths - a widely used tool that helps identify your top strengths and how to apply them in life and work. • VIA Character Strengths Survey - free, research-based survey that highlights your core character strengths. • Myers-Briggs Type Indicator - personality framework that helps you understand preferences in how you think, work, and relate to others. These tools are discussed in the episode as potential helpful starting points for people, parents and educators to better understand themselves and each other.

    1hr 25min
  7. Hayden Bevis: You Don’t Need a Perfect Plan to Build a Great Career

    29 MAR

    Hayden Bevis: You Don’t Need a Perfect Plan to Build a Great Career

    Hey, help Shape the Podcast! To keep improving the podcast, we’d love to know a little more about you. We’ve created a quick 2-question survey that takes about 10 seconds. As a thank you, you’ll go into the draw to win a $100 prize (drawn on April 30). 👉 Complete the survey: https://forms.gle/nK52PuGAdpQtBmjB9 Bring on this episode with Hayden Bevis: Not everyone leaves school with a clear plan. And not everyone needs to. In this episode of More Than a Score, we sit down with Hayden Bevis—founder of Poster Boy—to explore what it really looks like to build a career without a neat, linear pathway. Hayden shares how he moved from school into a series of unexpected roles, including working as an optical mechanic, hosting trivia, experimenting with video and early YouTube, before eventually building a creative business grounded in storytelling and communication. This conversation challenges a few big assumptions: • You need to be “creative” to pursue creative work • Careers should follow a straight line • Success starts with certainty Instead, Hayden offers a different perspective—one built on making things, learning through feedback, and backing your own curiosity. We also explore why communication might be one of the most important skills for young people today, not just writing, but the ability to express ideas across different mediums, platforms, and contexts. This episode is for: • Parents supporting young people who don’t yet have a clear direction • Students who feel unsure about their next step • Anyone curious about how creative careers actually unfold Because sometimes, the best pathway… is the one you build as you go. Show Notes Key Topics Covered: • Hayden’s experience leaving school without a clear plan • Navigating early jobs and unexpected opportunities • Why creativity is something you do, not something you are • Turning “making things for fun” into paid work • Learning through feedback, rejection, and iteration • The role of communication across different careers and industries • Why schools may need to broaden how they teach communication • Backing yourself instead of chasing external validation 🎧 Help Shape the Podcast 🎧 We’re all about helping parents and young people redefine success and see there’s more than one pathway. To keep improving the podcast, we’d love to know a little more about you to make sure every episode is meaningful and relevant to you. We’ve created a quick 2-question survey that takes about 10 seconds. As a thank you, you’ll go into the draw to win a $100 prize (drawn on April 30). 👉 Complete the survey: https://forms.gle/nK52PuGAdpQtBmjB9

    58 min
  8. Ellie Pascazio: You Don’t Have to Be Academic to Succeed

    22 MAR

    Ellie Pascazio: You Don’t Have to Be Academic to Succeed

    Help Shape the Podcast: To keep improving the podcast, we’d love to know a little more about you. We’ve created a quick 2-question survey that takes about 10 seconds. As a thank you, you’ll go into the draw to win a $100 prize (drawn on April 30). 👉 Complete the survey: https://forms.gle/nK52PuGAdpQtBmjB9 Okay, Here Are Our Show Notes: What if being “not academic” was never the problem, just a sign your strengths were somewhere else? In this episode of More Than a Score, we sit down with Ellie Pascazio: makeup artist, small business owner, and someone who has built a life around people, connection, and creating meaningful experiences - channeling one of her talents related to the "more social side" of school. Ellie’s school experience wasn’t defined by grades or study. She didn’t love the academic side of school. As you'll hear, she found it hard. But she did love being around people, bringing energy into a room, and making others feel good. And importantly… she never saw that as a weakness. After school, Ellie followed that instinct. She stepped into beauty therapy, built her skills, and during COVID took a leap to start her own business from a small corner at home. From there, it grew through word of mouth into a thriving career where she now works on weddings, events, and with clients who choose her not just for her work, but for how she makes them feel. This episode is a great example of someone forging a pathway intentionally connected to values. Ellie shares how her family shaped her perspective, where kindness, being a good person, and living a balanced life mattered more than status or money. She speaks openly about: • Choosing flexibility and travel over chasing a traditional career path • Living within her means and building financial discipline • Creating a life that works for her, not what others expect • And why making people feel good is her version of success This is a powerful reminder that success isn’t one-size-fits-all. What You’ll Discover In This Episode: • What it really feels like to be “not academic” at school • Why Ellie still found pride in simply finishing and getting a score • The strengths that don’t always show up in classrooms • How people skills can become your greatest asset • Starting a business from scratch and growing through word of mouth • Why flexibility, travel, and lifestyle matter more than titles • The role of family values in shaping confidence and choices • Why kindness is not weakness — it’s a strength • How to build a life around what matters to you You don’t have to be the smartest in the room to succeed. You just have to know what matters to you...and build from there. 🎧 Help Shape the Podcast 🎧 At More Than a Score, we’re all about helping parents and young people redefine success and see there’s more than one pathway. To keep improving the podcast, we’d love to know a little more about you. We’ve created a quick 2-question survey that takes about 10 seconds. As a thank you, you’ll go into the draw to win a $100 prize (drawn on April 30). 👉 Complete the survey: https://forms.gle/nK52PuGAdpQtBmjB9 Read less

    51 min

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No one wants to peak at high school - and no one score can sum you up. More Than a Score is a podcast about life beyond school results for parents, young people, or anyone navigating change. Each episode dives into real stories of people from all walks of life: leaders, parents, athletes, entrepreneurs, and creatives. Each guest shares what school was like for them, their paths beyond school, the lessons they've learned, skills that have helped, and how they define success today. Hosted by Laura and Dan, educators with over 30 years of combined experience leading and teaching in schools, they explore how success isn’t ever defined by one score and there is no one right path after school. If you’re a parent supporting your child, an educator guiding students, or going through a change in your career, More Than a Score is made for you.

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