Playing With Fire

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Welcome to Playing With Fire, the podcast for people who are ready to custom-build their love. We’re talking about non-monogamy–however you design it–as an individuation opportunity. Want to leave the default and make your life spectacularly you? You’re in the right place.

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252 Triad Life in a World of Couples with Margo, Jody & Chris

Relationships are messy, and when you re-imagine life with three instead of two, well, let's just say the complexity multiplies in ways you might not expect, even if you've been practicing non-monogamy for decades. So what does it actually take to build a throuple that both honors each person's individuality and creates a beautiful togetherness? And how do you navigate that when each person brings their own neurodivergence, relationship history, and vision of what love should look like? This week, we're sitting down with Margo, Chris, and Jodi—affectionately known as "the Throupledom"—to talk about their journey of building a relationship that defies easy categorization. These three incredible humans are Year Of Opening® alums, and what unfolded inside their cohort was nothing short of transformative. They've experimented with living arrangements, deconstructed couples privilege from multiple angles, navigated different timelines of NRE wearing off, and created space for one partner to explore mono-amory while staying in a throuple. If you've ever wondered whether it's possible to be in a committed multi-partner relationship while honoring radically different relationship orientations, or if you're curious about what it really takes to dismantle default relationship structures, this conversation is for you. In this episode, we talk about: — How Chris and Margo's 20+ years of "messy" non-monogamy didn't fully prepare them for the game-changing nature of this triad — Why Jodi falling in love for the first time brought up all the "mono normie Disney princess brouhaha" neither of them expected — The pivotal moment when Jodi admitted, "I was trying to break you two up," and how that radical honesty became a turning point — How neurodivergence (ADHD, autism, PTSD) shapes each person's relationship needs and why recognizing these patterns was essential to their survival as a throuple — The difference between bifurcating yourself across relationships versus showing up as your whole self—and why that shift was so challenging for Chris — What happened when the NRE wore off at different times for different dyads (spoiler: it got really hard) — How they've experimented with "multi-nesting" and why they've tried everything from all together in a one bedroom apartment to living separately five minutes apart — Why taking breaks from each other wasn't a sign of failure but actually a crucial tool for growth — The power of parts work (Internal Family Systems) in helping each person recognize patterns without shame — How they're creating space for Jodi to explore monoamory within a thruple, and why that's not actually a contradiction — The difference between equality and equanimity in relationships, and why that distinction was a game-changer — Why they describe themselves as "scientists" in their relationship—constantly experimenting, adjusting, and trying again without attachment to any single outcome — How psychedelic journeys helped Margo recognize the soul-level connection with Chris that gave her confidence to keep choosing this relationship — What it means to find security not through conditionality (marriage, cohabitation, exclusivity) but through the ineffable thread that connects them — Why "home" became such a complicated word for them, and how they're navigating the search for a shared physical space JOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart way Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for a Playing With Fire Community Call here Music: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions
18 jul

251 Trailblazing vs Following: The Hidden Dynamic That May Be Creating Resentment

When a couple opens their relationship, there’s almost always one partner who tends to take more initiative – to seek out information, read all the books, listen to podcasts, find a poly-aware therapist, initiate important conversations (the list goes on!). This is not necessarily a problem, but it is a dynamic we see all the time, and when it goes unrecognized, unnamed, and unacknowledged, resentment, guilt, and envy can start to build up. We call this the ‘trailblazer and follower,’ and if it feels like you or your partner is doing all the heavy lifting in the opening process, understanding this dynamic may be the key to helping you understand the feelings and patterns that are coming up in your relationship. In this episode, we talk about: — The trailblazer and follower dynamic and why it's so common in relationships opening up — How one partner often ends up carrying the emotional weight of "this was my idea" — Why the follower partner might experience guilt while the trailblazer experiences resentment (even when neither person voices these feelings) — What happens during "the flip" — when the reluctant partner suddenly starts thriving, and the initiating partner feels left behind — The dangerous trap of seeking "parity of outcome" and why symmetry in relationships is neither realistic nor necessary — How unexpressed resentment and guilt can sabotage relationships right when they're about to reach a sweet spot — Why taking full responsibility for your own consent and participation (even when something wasn't your idea) is essential for individuation — The importance of expressing gratitude when you're benefiting from someone else's trailblazing work — How the Imago Dialogue can help partners understand each other's perspectives and do repair work around these dynamics — Why differentiation means accepting that you and your partner will have different experiences, different paths, and different levels of success in non-monogamy — How to recognize when you've fallen into fixed roles and how to shift out of them — What fairness in relationships actually requires Resources mentioned in this episode: — Our episode on Imago Dialogue — Our episode on envying your partner — Our episode on asymmetry and resentment — Our episode on asymmetric relationship agreements JOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart way Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for a Playing With Fire Community Call here Music: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions
4 jul

250 Relationship Re‑Imagination: The Framework

To celebrate hitting 250 episodes of Playing With Fire, we’re diving deep into something we've been asked about constantly since our first episode on it over a year ago: Relationship Re-Imagination. We introduced this concept back in episode 194, and the response was immediate and intense; people wanted steps, phases, a roadmap—something they could follow to Re-Imagine their relationships. But this is not a linear process you can follow off a checklist. This is soul-making work. It's the kind of deep, transformative process that asks you to see yourself, your partner(s), and your relationship with fresh eyes—and then co-create something new from that place of awareness. It's messy, non-linear, and profoundly worthwhile, and we're finally ready to share what we've learned from years of doing this work, both in our own relationship and with hundreds of clients and students. This episode is different from our usual format. Ken interviews Joli about her framework for Relationship Re-Imagination, and we get into the complexity of what this work actually requires. In this episode, we talk about: — What Relationship Re-Imagination actually is (and what it isn't) — Why this isn't the same as couples counseling, de-escalation, or conscious uncoupling — The essential conditions required before you even begin this work — Why you absolutely cannot do this work in three months (or even six), and what a realistic timeline might look like — The four ongoing conditions of a Re-Imagination — The threads you'll weave together during the process, including nervous system, grief, shadow, repair, and becoming work — How to know when you've crossed a threshold and why ritual matters so much — The three potential outcomes of discernment work, and why conscious uncoupling isn't a failure — How to celebrate the hell out of your transformation Resources mentioned in this episode: — Episode 194 of Playing With Fire: Our first conversation about relationship re-imagination — ⁠The Wild Edge of Sorrow⁠ by Francis Weller — Two free weeks of Brain-Based Wellness — Our Neuro-Somatic Intelligence Essentials playlist — Individuation Alchemy, our nine-month container for depth psychological practice — Our Sexual Shadow Masterclass JOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart way Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here Music: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions
27 jun

[Replay] 194 Re-Imagining Relationships

When something isn't working, even if you’ve been practicing non-monogamy for a long time, it’s really easy to default into the monogamous paradigm, which offers only a few set options. But what if there was another way? Reimagining a relationship means creating something new. It's different from de-escalation (which implies undoing a path you've taken) or uncoupling (which implies ending). Instead, reimagining opens space to explore what your relationship could become if you moved beyond your current ideas of what it is or was supposed to be. This process requires courage, patience, and a willingness to step into the unknown together. It's challenging work, but it can lead to beautiful new forms of connection that honor both your history and your ability to grow and change. In this episode, we talk about: — Why reimagining is different from de-escalation or uncoupling, and how it implies continuity rather than ending — The importance of acknowledging that our imagination is our relationship in many ways — How mononormativity limits our options when relationships need to change (stay together, break up, or be miserable) — The necessity of creating a "liminal container" – a dedicated time and space for the reimagining process — Why grief work is essential before you can truly reimagine something new — The challenge of letting go of what was while maintaining connection — How repair work fits into reimagination (hint: you can't skip it!) — The importance of nervous system regulation during times of uncertainty — Why creating new, explicit agreements is crucial for your reimagined relationship — The value of celebrating when you successfully reimagine a relationship into something new — How the language of "reimagining" itself can be empowering and create possibilities Resources mentioned in this episode: — The Wild Edge of Sorrow by Francis Weller — Episode 152: How to Take Intentional Relationship Breaks — Episode 172: Grieving Change JOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart way Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here Music: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions
20 jun

249 Is Your Non‑Monogamy Actually Just Two Monogamies?

So you made the transition to non-monogamy… but you ended up feeling like you’re living two separate parallel lives in different relationships. This might not seem like that big a deal from the outside, but in many cases, having a siloed relational life can cause profound suffering. This isn’t just about having different relationships with different people (that’s normal and healthy, whether you’re monogamous or not!). It’s about psychological fragmentation that can lead to broken commitments, memory gaps, and a sense of wrongness you can’t seem to shake. I call this bifurcated monogamy—a phenomenon where people unconsciously split their relational world into separate, incompatible realities. If you've ever struggled with time management between partners, found yourself unable to remember important details, or felt completely broken when two partners are in the same room together, this episode will help you understand what's happening and what you can do about it. In this episode, we talk about: — What bifurcated monogamy actually is and how it differs from healthy parallel polyamory — Psychological splitting and how it shows up in non-monogamous relationships — The difference between holding multiplicity as your whole self versus fragmenting into separate selves — Red flags to watch for: time blindness, memory gaps, mutually exclusive commitments, and feeling "broken" when partners are together — How internalized polyphobia fuels the unconscious need to split our relational worlds — The role of mono-normative conditioning and why we have to keep "squeegeeing our souls" of these projections — Ken's personal experiences with this phenomenon across romantic relationships, co-parenting dynamics, and even professional contexts — Why privacy needs versus transparency needs can create impossible situations without awareness — The protective mechanism behind splitting and why it makes sense (even though it doesn't actually protect us) — Practical tools for addressing bifurcation — Why this is something to bring to therapy or coaching rather than trying to white-knuckle your way through — How to know if you've created relational situations that genuinely cannot coexist versus situations that need better integration Resources mentioned in this episode: — Our episode on transition management — Learn more about relationship agreements JOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart way Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here Music: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions
13 jun

248 Beyond People-Pleasing: Practicing Healthy Autonomy in Relationships

People pleasing is not an effective strategy on the path to healthy, conscious relating. But adopting an approach towards autonomy that amounts to ‘I don’t owe anyone anything’ is…not it either. These extremes were adaptive patterns; they helped us survive difficult childhoods, but they don’t help us much as adults. True autonomy, when you really understand it and put it into practice, will strengthen your relationship, deepen your connection, and allow you to experience a new level of freedom. And non-monogamy presents a wealth of opportunities for coming into a deeper relationship with your own autonomy and that of your partners. In this episode, we talk about: — What autonomy actually means (and what it doesn't mean) — The difference between autonomy and individuation, and why that matters — How autonomy can be weaponized or used defensively in relationships — The tension between wanting autonomy and wanting deep interconnection with others — Why "you don't owe anyone anything" is a problematic framework for relationships — The horseshoe effect: how enmeshment and individualism can actually loop back around to each other — The subtle language patterns that reveal whether you're truly practicing autonomy or deflecting responsibility — Permission-based dynamics vs. responsibility-based autonomy — How cultural expectations around monogamy influence our understanding of autonomy — The importance of grounding into your autonomous self while hinging between multiple partners — Why writing down (or recording) your agreements can reveal unconscious patterns in how you relate to autonomy — How practicing real autonomy actually strengthens your relationships rather than weakening them JOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart way Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here Music: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions
6 jun

247 Non-Monogamy, Mono-Mind: The Invisible Scripts Running Your Communication

Chances are, if you know one thing about conscious relating, it’s that communication is key. And if you’re good at communicating in monogamous relationships, you might think that those skills will easily transfer to polyamory. But even when you’re doing non-monogamy, there’s often a set of invisible monogamous scripts making things a lot harder without you even realizing it. This isn’t easy to spot, let alone navigate. When we leave monogamy, we leave behind all those default cultural scripts that (supposedly!) give us shared baseline understandings of what is normal and reasonable to expect in relationships. Except… often we haven’t actually left them behind. And constantly questioning whether or not these unspoken assumptions and cognitive shortcuts are running in the background of your communication can be exhausting. So if you’re finding communication in non-monogamy to be tiring and difficult for reasons you can’t easily identify, this one is for you. In this episode, we talk about: — Why many people who consider themselves "great communicators" struggle when they start doing non-monogamy — The invisible ways we rely on cultural scripts and shortcuts to make communication easier — How the brain conserves energy through defaults, and what happens when we step outside those defaults — The difference between implicit and explicit communication styles, and why mismatches can cause real pain — Why one partner might find all the processing nourishing while the other finds it exhausting — The myth that relationships should be "just fun" and why that can lead to avoiding necessary communication — How to reframe difficult conversations as part of the relationship rather than obstacles to it — Building capacity for hard conversations over time (it's like going to the gym!) — The power of using structured tools like Imago Dialogue and the apology and accountability ladder — Why preparing for conversations isn't unromantic—it's actually deeply caring — The role of regular check-ins in creating space for thoughtful, prepared communication — How new partners and metamours shift the entire relational field, even when you're not directly relating to them — Learning to tolerate that you won't know everything happening in your relational network — Growing your capacity to trust your partners' autonomy and their other relationships — Why transparency and privacy needs often conflict, and how to navigate that tension — The reality that we can't fully leave the monogamous script when it's embedded in everything around us Resources mentioned in this episode: — Our Repair Skills Playlist — Episode 245: Check-Ins That Actually Work — Episode 243: Making Decisions Together JOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart way Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here Music: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions
30 may

246 We Opened up Too Fast. What Do We Do Now?

The phrase "we opened up too fast" comes up a lot in the conversations we have with people who are transitioning from monogamy to non-monogamy. But what does "too fast" even mean? And more importantly—too fast for whom? Here's the thing: once you've crossed certain thresholds in opening up, there's no going back to a state of unknowing. You can't unsee what you've seen or unknow what you've learned about yourself, your partner, and your relationship. This can feel scary, but it's also where some of the most profound growth happens. In this episode, we talk about: — Why "too fast" is really about thresholds, not speed — How foiled expectations drive so much of our dysregulation in the opening process — The difference between pacing that allows for skill-building versus holding so still that you never actually learn anything — Why differentiation work matters just as much (if not more) than the logistics of who you're dating — The power of imaginal work — How to recognize when you're objectifying potential partners (couples privilege on steroids) and why that's a sign that you might not be ready yet — The reality that monogamy skills don't all transfer to non-monogamy, but non-monogamy skills work everywhere — Why learning resilience and repair skills is more important than getting everything "right" the first time — The profound relief that comes from increased self-knowledge, even when relationships end — How educational community and mentorship can provide the support that makes all the difference Resources mentioned in this episode: — Our Neuro-Somatic Intelligence Essentials Playlist — Our Nervous System Playlist JOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart way Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here Music: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions

Welcome to Playing With Fire, the podcast for people who are ready to custom-build their love. We’re talking about non-monogamy–however you design it–as an individuation opportunity. Want to leave the default and make your life spectacularly you? You’re in the right place.

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