Run the Numbers

CJ Gustafson

Run the Numbers is a business podcast about financial metrics and business models for CFOs, aspiring CFOs, finance leaders, and ambitious people operating tech startups. Hosted by CJ Gustafson, CFO and writer of Mostly Metrics, the show shares lessons, frameworks, and operator insights from the trenches as a tech exec. Think of it as a playbook for the things CJ wishes he knew earlier in his career, covering SaaS metrics, annual budgeting, forecasting, headcount, equity, dilution, fundraising, and the decisions that drive performance and growth.

  1. Jersey Mike’s S-1 Breakdown: How a $4.2B Sandwich Machine Works

    hace 2 días

    Jersey Mike’s S-1 Breakdown: How a $4.2B Sandwich Machine Works

    On this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ breaks down Jersey Mike’s S-1 and the franchise machine behind more than $4 billion in sandwich sales. He explains how an asset-light royalty model works, why franchise economics can be so powerful, what Blackstone saw in the business, and what the filing reveals about growth, margins, and the real money behind the subs. — SPONSORS: RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com Pulley is an equity management platform that lets you issue options, model dilution, and complete 409As without your cap table turning into a spreadsheet disaster. Founders raising, hiring, and scaling use Pulley to keep equity clean and stay focused on building. Learn more or request a demo at Pulley.com/mostlymetrics Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj Maximor is an autonomous finance platform that runs order-to-cash, procure-to-pay, the close, cash management, and reporting on self-learning agents instead of a dozen disconnected tools. One PE-backed customer cut their close in half, took audit findings from seven to zero, and cut back-office costs by 70% in six months. You pay for outcomes, not seats. See it at maximor.ai Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics Anrok is the sales tax platform that watches your exposure everywhere, automates compliance, and flags risk before it turns into a surprise back-tax letter from a state you've never set foot in. Companies like Anthropic, Notion, and Vanta already trust Anrok to stay ahead of rules that move faster than any spreadsheet can. Talk to a sales tax expert for a personalized exposure estimate at anrok.com/rtn — LINKS:  Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Sell $4B in subs, own none of the stores 0:33 Origin story: Peter Cancro buys a sub shop at 17 1:47 It's a royalty business 2:42 Key metrics 6:07 What you're actually buying 6:42 The three revenue streams 7:19 The franchisee's P&L 10:00 Sponsors — RightRev | Pulley | Rillet 13:02 Corporate P&L: 47% EBITDA margins 13:33 The Blackstone math 14:38 $2.1B whole business securitization 15:09 Full EBITDA bridge 16:00 The CEO buying back the 2% 17:10 Red flag 1: Up-C structure 18:11 Red flag 2: tax receivable agreement 18:45 Red flag 3: controlled company governance 19:05 Red flag 4: sponsor already took $500M 19:29 Red flag 5: charitable donations added back 20:13 Red flag 6: cheap debt maturing in 2029 20:52 Sponsors — Maximor | Brex | Anrok 23:56 Valuation: $10–12B 24:32 Peer comparison 25:27 How do you underwrite $12B? 25:58 Misc: quantum attack on the provolone 26:28 The hidden 53rd week 26:57 No drive-thru is a feature 27:13 Verdict 27:56 Credits #RunTheNumbersPodcast #IPO #Investing #BusinessStrategy #FinanceLeadership

    28 min
  2. The CFO Who Was “Ill Equipped” to Save Lehman Brothers

    hace 5 días

    The CFO Who Was “Ill Equipped” to Save Lehman Brothers

    What actually prepares someone to become a CFO? CJ revisits Erin Callan’s short, brutal run as Lehman Brothers CFO and pulls lessons from past guests on operational reps, simple communication, fast-moving bad news, budget mistakes, and why great finance leaders can’t just report the numbers, they have to shape them. — SPONSORS: Anrok is the sales tax platform that watches your exposure everywhere, automates compliance, and flags risk before it turns into a surprise back-tax letter from a state you've never set foot in. Companies like Anthropic, Notion, and Vanta already trust Anrok to stay ahead of rules that move faster than any spreadsheet can. Talk to a sales tax expert for a personalized exposure estimate at anrok.com/rtn RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com Pulley is an equity management platform that lets you issue options, model dilution, and complete 409As without your cap table turning into a spreadsheet disaster. Founders raising, hiring, and scaling use Pulley to keep equity clean and stay focused on building. Learn more or request a demo at Pulley.com/mostlymetrics Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj Maximor is an autonomous finance platform that runs order-to-cash, procure-to-pay, the close, cash management, and reporting on self-learning agents instead of a dozen disconnected tools. One PE-backed customer cut their close in half, took audit findings from seven to zero, and cut back-office costs by 70% in six months. You pay for outcomes, not seats. See it at maximor.ai Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics — LINKS:  Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Slacker Stuff: https://www.slackerstuff.com/ Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/slackerstuff/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — RELATED EPISODES: Steve Isom https://youtu.be/a4lEdrgFW5E Jake Kornreich https://youtu.be/GKo0B1w4bo4 Manu Diwakar https://youtu.be/J0J4Rfne54E Dan Bettes https://youtu.be/b4w_OHpSNNw Alan Imberman https://youtu.be/UD9lYhkfA6U — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Erin Callan: Lehman's CFO Set up to Fail 5:48 Steve Isom: broadcaster vs. team captain 9:37 Be in rhythm with the business 11:15 Sponsors — Anrok | RightRev | Pulley 14:07 Jake Kornreich: title vs. impact 18:23 Get into the room where decisions are made 22:08 Sponsors — Rillet | Maximor | Brex 25:23 Dan Betts: don't church it up 27:11 The higher up you go, the simpler it gets 29:04 Dan Betts: the many faces of EBITDA 30:39 Understand what success means to them 32:07 Jake Kornreich: the $5M budget bust 33:04 Bad news travels fast 35:01 Alan Imberman: the $100K coffee tab 38:15 ROI on perks 40:25 Alan Imberman: long-term vs. short-term investors 43:28 Would you take the Lehman job? 45:44 Credits #RunTheNumbersPodcast #CFO #FinanceLeadership #StartupGrowth #FinanceHistory

    46 min
  3. How Finance Teams Are Actually Using AI | Opendoor, Datadog, PwC

    2 jul

    How Finance Teams Are Actually Using AI | Opendoor, Datadog, PwC

    In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ goes live from Rillet Recon with Dana Decker (VP of Finance at Opendoor), AJ Ljubich (SVP, FP&A at Datadog), and Micah Richard (Principal, AI at PwC) to unpack how finance teams are actually using AI. — SPONSORS: Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics Anrok is the sales tax platform that watches your exposure everywhere, automates compliance, and flags risk before it turns into a surprise back-tax letter from a state you've never set foot in. Companies like Anthropic, Notion, and Vanta already trust Anrok to stay ahead of rules that move faster than any spreadsheet can. Talk to a sales tax expert for a personalized exposure estimate at anrok.com/rtn RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com Pulley is an equity management platform that lets you issue options, model dilution, and complete 409As without your cap table turning into a spreadsheet disaster. Founders raising, hiring, and scaling use Pulley to keep equity clean and stay focused on building. Learn more or request a demo at Pulley.com/mostlymetrics Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj Maximor is an autonomous finance platform that runs order-to-cash, procure-to-pay, the close, cash management, and reporting on self-learning agents instead of a dozen disconnected tools. One PE-backed customer cut their close in half, took audit findings from seven to zero, and cut back-office costs by 70% in six months. You pay for outcomes, not seats. See it at maximor.ai — LINKS:  Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN Guests: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aj-ljubich-cfa-727ab912/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/dana-decker/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/micah-richard-64a53238/ Companies: https://www.datadoghq.com/ https://www.opendoor.com/ https://www.pwc.com/ CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Preview and Intro 2:27 Panel intros: AJ, Micah, Dana 4:00 FP&A a year ago vs. today 6:45 Opendoor: default-to-AI company 7:40 Leadership being in the weeds 8:30 Building a daily P&L view with Claude 9:39 Sponsors — Brex | Anrok | RightRev 12:38 Forecasting at Datadog: consumption model 14:20 AI picks up seasonality, misses customer context 15:10 Semantic layer and blessed queries 16:35 Self-serve data: how far can you go? 20:10 Best-in-class adoption: build over buy 20:23 Sponsors — Pulley | Rillet | Maximor 23:30 Does a 2-year head start matter? 24:10 Build vs. buy criteria haven't changed 25:10 Evaluating vendor roadmaps 26:20 Procurement shifting toward build 28:00 Data access controls and RBAC 31:00 Token usage: haves and have-nots 32:50 Encouraging tokens across the org 34:40 ROI metrics haven't changed 35:45 90-day advice: just start 36:55 Leadership has to pull the red tape 38:05 Get the data right first 39:07 Credits

    40 min
  4. Lime’s S-1 Breakdown: The $1.8B Scooter IPO

    25 jun

    Lime’s S-1 Breakdown: The $1.8B Scooter IPO

    In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ breaks down Lime’s S-1 as the scooter company heads toward the public markets. He gets into the $1.8B valuation, Wayne Ting’s turnaround playbook, Lime’s unit economics, the post-Covid recovery, and the debt wall that may be forcing the IPO window open. — SPONSORS: SpendHound cuts your SaaS and AI spend by up to 30% using real pricing benchmarks across 10,000 vendors, so you always know what fair pricing looks like before your next renewal. Rated #1 on G2 in SaaS spend management, it's free forever for teams up to 1,000 employees. Sign up by June 12th and get $500 just for getting started. Go to https://www.spendhound.com/cj Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj EY has been part of Silicon Valley since it was just a valley, helping the most successful names in tech go from startup to exit to megacap. With teams across strategy, tax, audit, and transactions, EY helps you get your financials right early, long before your investors start asking for it. You build the next big thing, and EY will help you build it right. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups — LINKS:  Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — RELATED EPISODES: SpaceX S1 Breakdown https://youtu.be/AARjbTO8FKo — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Intro 1:48 What Lime does 2:47 Phoenix rising from the ashes 3:53 Revenue: $887M, 29% growth 6:38 Gross margin and the depreciation trick 7:53 Adjusted EBITDA: $218M, up 42% 8:27 Why the net loss got bigger 9:54 Sponsors — SpendHound | Brex | Aleph 13:08 Revenue per vehicle per day 13:42 Marketing: only 2% of revenue 14:01 Subscription mix: 28% and rising 14:25 The debt: $821M but most converts 15:37 The turnaround story 16:42 What Wayne found taking over 17:31 The three numbers he locked in on 18:05 The warehouse overhaul 19:31 Sponsors — RightRev | Rillet | EY 22:33 The debt deep dive 23:20 Why the net loss widened 24:27 Post-IPO: nearly debt free 25:07 Why more scooters make each scooter worth more 28:43 How a scooter pays for itself 30:43 The swappable battery 32:39 Is this a real moat? 34:14 Red flag 1: going concern 35:11 Red flag 2: depreciation change before IPO 36:11 Red flag 3: permits can disappear 36:32 Red flag 4: Uber is everything 37:24 Red flag 5: vehicles catch fire 37:56 Valuation: under 2x revenue 39:55 Comps: between Lyft and Uber 40:55 Bull vs. bear 41:52 Legal name is Neutron Holdings 42:47 Credits

    43 min
  5. How Confluent’s CFO Runs Planning, Pricing, and Prioritization

    22 jun

    How Confluent’s CFO Runs Planning, Pricing, and Prioritization

    On this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Confluent CFO Rohan Sivaram to talk goal setting, prioritization, consumption-based pricing, hybrid zero-based budgeting, and the frameworks finance leaders use to scale companies. Rohan shares why he carries his 12-month goals with him, how he evaluates opportunities through TAM, technology, and team, and why usage-based pricing changes the entire operating model. — SPONSORS: EY has been part of Silicon Valley since it was just a valley, helping the most successful names in tech go from startup to exit to megacap. With teams across strategy, tax, audit, and transactions, EY helps you get your financials right early, long before your investors start asking for it. You build the next big thing, and EY will help you build it right. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups SpendHound cuts your SaaS and AI spend by up to 30% using real pricing benchmarks across 10,000 vendors, so you always know what fair pricing looks like before your next renewal. Rated #1 on G2 in SaaS spend management, it's free forever for teams up to 1,000 employees. Sign up by June 12th and get $500 just for getting started. Go to https://www.spendhound.com/cj Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj — LINKS:  Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN Guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rohan-sivaram-69007b7/ Company: https://www.confluent.io/ CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — RELATED EPISODES: A CFO Explains Marketplaces https://youtu.be/LpbH9GpBrSY — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Preview and Intro 2:26 Writing down 12-month goals and carrying them 6:33 Rule of 168: 168 hours a week 7:36 Delegation and calendar management 9:25 Learning to say no: cultural shift 11:32 Sponsors — EY | SpendHound | Brex 14:29 Joining Confluent: the state of the company 16:57 Building blocks of a budgeting process 19:46 Execute, learn, adapt 21:59 Healthy tension in the planning cycle 22:26 Sponsors — Aleph | RightRev | Rillet 25:46 What is hybrid zero-based budgeting? 30:37 Moving from subscription to consumption pricing 32:22 Why this was a one-way door 33:56 New metrics required in a consumption business 35:28 Evaluating job opportunities: the three T's 37:39 Networking and reciprocity 39:54 Lightning round 40:04 Screwed up: free cash flow sign error 42:03 Advice to younger self: take more risks 42:38 Finance software stack 43:00 AI tools the team has built 43:44 Credits

    44 min
  6. Salesforce Paid $2.1 Billion for His Company: Meet the CFO Who Made it Happen

    18 jun

    Salesforce Paid $2.1 Billion for His Company: Meet the CFO Who Made it Happen

    In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Jake Kornreich, CFO of CoLab and former CFO of Own, live from the New York Stock Exchange. Jake breaks down the six-part framework behind Own’s $2.1B sale to Salesforce, why “control your destiny” matters, how CFOs should think about IPO readiness, board communication, share price theater, and why great finance leaders operate beyond the spreadsheet. — SPONSORS: Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj EY has been part of Silicon Valley since it was just a valley, helping the most successful names in tech go from startup to exit to megacap. With teams across strategy, tax, audit, and transactions, EY helps you get your financials right early, long before your investors start asking for it. You build the next big thing, and EY will help you build it right. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups SpendHound cuts your SaaS and AI spend by up to 30% using real pricing benchmarks across 10,000 vendors, so you always know what fair pricing looks like before your next renewal. Rated #1 on G2 in SaaS spend management, it's free forever for teams up to 1,000 employees. Sign up by June 12th and get $500 just for getting started. Go to https://www.spendhound.com/cj Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com — LINKS:  Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN Guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jake-kornreich/ Company: https://www.colabsoftware.com/ CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Preview and Intro 2:20 First stock 3:28 Benefits of going public today 5:42 Come-up: chief of staff to CFO 6:31 Running HR like a sales org 8:32 Control your destiny 9:24 Synergies with Salesforce 10:09 Sponsors — Rillet | EY | SpendHound 13:10 Do your own ROI due diligence 14:40 Share price equals entertainment 16:26 Disciplined execution 17:45 Performance, not stories 19:24 Activist investors and the acquirer's board 20:13 Write the memo for the other side 20:45 Sponsors — Brex | Aleph | RightRev 24:02 Triangulate your way to success 25:18 Your board takes snapshots, you run the movie 26:21 Knowing when to sell 27:16 Valuation limits your exit options 27:38 Stakeholder comms during the acquisition 29:58 CFO as operator, not just function 31:31 What is CoLab? 32:09 Why Jake joined post-Series C 33:50 Personal product market fit for CFOs 35:27 Lightning round 35:42 Screwed up: $5M budget error 36:17 Advice to younger self 36:41 Finance software stack 37:34 Culture of expense discipline 38:22 Credits

    39 min
  7. SoundCloud CFO Dan Bettes on Marketplace Liquidity, Music, and Forecasting

    15 jun

    SoundCloud CFO Dan Bettes on Marketplace Liquidity, Music, and Forecasting

    In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Dan Bettes, CFO of SoundCloud, at the New York Stock Exchange. Dan breaks down how SoundCloud operates as a two-sided music marketplace, how he thinks about liquidity between fans and creators, and why great finance leaders need to make forecasting feel owned by the business — SPONSORS: Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj EY has been part of Silicon Valley since it was just a valley, helping the most successful names in tech go from startup to exit to megacap. With teams across strategy, tax, audit, and transactions, EY helps you get your financials right early, long before your investors start asking for it. You build the next big thing, and EY will help you build it right. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups SpendHound cuts your SaaS and AI spend by up to 30% using real pricing benchmarks across 10,000 vendors, so you always know what fair pricing looks like before your next renewal. Rated #1 on G2 in SaaS spend management, it's free forever for teams up to 1,000 employees. Sign up by June 12th and get $500 just for getting started. Go to https://www.spendhound.com/cj Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics — LINKS:  Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN Guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielbettes/ Company: https://soundcloud.com/ CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Preview and Intro 2:17 First stock: a Vanguard index fund 3:13 Most memorable IPO: Groupon 4:54 Benefits of going public have changed 5:47 SoundCloud and the music industry 7:21 Three eras: physical, streaming, creator platform 8:49 Streaming unbundled the album 10:03 Artists don't need labels anymore 11:40 Sponsors — Aleph | RightRev | Rillet 15:00 SoundCloud's two-sided business model 16:23 Touring replaced the album 17:17 First metric every morning: net adds 18:31 DAU vs. MAU: it's a funnel 19:14 Viral moments and exogenous pops 20:10 LTV and the subscription funnel 21:38 Sponsors — EY | SpendHound | Brex 24:35 Tops-down vs. bottoms-up: reconcile both 26:21 Revenue is an output 27:45 Handling forecast deviation 29:24 How often to reforecast 30:23 The final boss: indirect cash flow statement 33:09 Cash vs. EBITDA fluency 35:04 Plain English and the power of reps 36:52 Tailor the message to the audience 37:45 Lightning round 37:45 Screwed up: miscounted corn at a banquet 38:41 Lean into discomfort 39:55 Craziest expense: a post-flight massage 40:17 Credits

    41 min
  8. Bending Spoons S1: How Italy's Software Acquirer Built a $20B Empire From the Discount Rack

    11 jun

    Bending Spoons S1: How Italy's Software Acquirer Built a $20B Empire From the Discount Rack

    In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ breaks down Bending Spoons’ F-1 filing and the acquisition machine behind AOL, Evernote, Vimeo, Eventbrite, and more. He unpacks the company’s playbook: buy under-optimized digital businesses, transform operations, raise prices, reinvest earnings, and repeat — while asking the core question: how much was built, and how much was bought? — SPONSORS: RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj EY has been part of Silicon Valley since it was just a valley, helping the most successful names in tech go from startup to exit to megacap. With teams across strategy, tax, audit, and transactions, EY helps you get your financials right early, long before your investors start asking for it. You build the next big thing, and EY will help you build it right. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups SpendHound cuts your SaaS and AI spend by up to 30% using real pricing benchmarks across 10,000 vendors, so you always know what fair pricing looks like before your next renewal. Rated #1 on G2 in SaaS spend management, it's free forever for teams up to 1,000 employees. Sign up by June 12th and get $500 just for getting started. Go to https://www.spendhound.com/cj Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run — LINKS:  Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 What is Bending Spoons? 1:03 The Internet's attic: the portfolio 3:11 The metrics rundown 5:44 Revenue: $1.3B, 95% growth 6:04 82% of growth was bought, not built 6:29 Gross margin: 66% 6:50 Subscription mix and NRR 7:33 Net income: basically zero 8:00 Cash: $741M, debt: $4.4B 8:35 Revenue per employee: $2.57M 9:39 Sponsors — RightRev | Rillet | EY 12:42 Organic growth is mostly price hikes 13:50 A house of adjustments 14:54 Add-backs bigger than the profit 15:22 The reorganization line: cost of firing 19:21 Sponsors — SpendHound | Brex | Aleph 22:51 Does the playbook actually work? 23:07 Evernote: the proof point 23:45 Romini: the growth proof point 24:10 AI in three directions at once 25:45 The debt engine 27:50 Red flag 1: material accounting weaknesses 28:38 Red flag 2: pro forma numbers come with a confession 29:00 Red flag 3: App Store dependency 29:11 Red flag 4: no long-term contracts 29:30 Red flag 5: foreign private issuer 29:52 Red flag 6: they've never sold anything 30:19 Cap table and board 31:07 Valuation: 14–18x 33:00 Bull vs. bear case 33:55 Miscellaneous: the S1 is already stale 35:25 Credits

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Run the Numbers is a business podcast about financial metrics and business models for CFOs, aspiring CFOs, finance leaders, and ambitious people operating tech startups. Hosted by CJ Gustafson, CFO and writer of Mostly Metrics, the show shares lessons, frameworks, and operator insights from the trenches as a tech exec. Think of it as a playbook for the things CJ wishes he knew earlier in his career, covering SaaS metrics, annual budgeting, forecasting, headcount, equity, dilution, fundraising, and the decisions that drive performance and growth.

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