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The Marketecture Podcast is hosted by industry experts Ari Paparo and Eric Franchi. Every Friday they publish an interview with an important thinker in the advertising and marketing industries, and cover that week's most important news. Every Monday there's an in-depth vendor interview where you learn about interesting companies. https://www.marketecture.tv

  1. 5 DAYS AGO

    Episode 159: Bob Lord of Horizon on How Indie Agencies Compete

    Bob Lord, President of Horizon Media, joins Ari Paparo and Eric Franchi to talk about why independent agencies can move faster, how Horizon OS is built around an open partner ecosystem, and how AI is changing day to day agency work. They also cover Blu ID, performance-based pricing, the LLM ad debate, and key takeaways from IAB ALM. Takeaways Indie agencies move faster because they don’t carry legacy tech and data debt. Horizon OS keeps the stack open so brands can swap partners as needed. Blu ID links Horizon’s identity to client first-party data for more precise planning. Horizon wants performance based pay so incentives match business results. AI delivers quick wins through reconciliation and workflow automation. The ads debate is really a trust play between Anthropic and OpenAI. Chapters 00:00 Travel, Super Bowl, and AI talk. 04:22 Bob Lord joins the show. 06:38 Why holdcos struggle with tech and data debt. 08:17 Horizon OS and client access to data. 10:39 Switching agencies and owning first party data. 11:40 What Blu ID is. 12:13 Open ecosystem and partner plug-ins. 14:19 From staffing to growth partnership. 15:45 Performance based agency economics. 16:59 Why AI fits open systems. 18:12 Agent Q, Gemini, and fewer hallucinations. 20:14 AI wins: reconciliation and pitch work. 21:30 Horizon and Havas partnership. 23:41 Viveki then vs now. 28:45 LLM ad war and Anthropic ads. 36:33 IAB ALM and publisher AI accountability. 40:02 Project Ados and ADCP friction. 45:24 Earnings: Google, YouTube, Uber Ads. 51:56 Closing thoughts on open ecosystems. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    55 min

  2. 2 FEB

    Ari Paparo on the Era of Outcomes in Digital Advertising at Marketecture Live

    Ari Paparo explains why outcomes have become the defining metric in digital advertising, how AI and platform consolidation are reshaping the buy and sell sides, and what the decline of the open web means for marketers, publishers, and ad tech moving forward. Takeaways Outcomes have always existed in digital advertising, but pressure on CMOs has made measurable results unavoidable. Closed loop platforms outperform the open web because scale, identity, and measurement live in one system. Experimentation and advanced modeling are replacing traditional attribution as cookies disappear. AI agents may reduce fragmentation by automating buying, negotiation, and optimization across publishers. Programmatic advertising is circling back to outcome driven models similar to early ad networks. Antitrust actions may reduce Google’s efficiency but will not eliminate its dominance in outcomes. Chapters 00:00 Outcomes become the central measure of marketing success as CMO accountability increases. 02:10 AppLovin shows how repeatable performance drives massive valuation. 04:08 Experimentation and AI modeling replace fragile attribution systems. 06:01 Why publishers struggle to compete with closed platforms on outcomes. 09:12 AI search and summaries dramatically reduce traffic to the open web. 12:09 Fragmentation creates opportunity in a multipolar content ecosystem. 14:14 Agentic buying hints at a future with less friction and more scale. 15:20 Programmatic advertising evolves back toward outcome focused systems. 20:31 Antitrust remedies may reshape Google’s stack without killing outcomes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    25 min

  3. 30 JAN

    Episode 158: Rajeev Goel Is Making Agentic Advertising a Reality

    Rajeev Goel, CEO of PubMatic, joins Ari Paparo and Eric Franchi to discuss how agentic AI and AdCP are reshaping the media buying process, collapsing the ad tech value chain, and creating new opportunities for publishers and advertisers to compete with walled gardens. Takeaways Agentic AI can automate planning, buying, and optimization beyond today’s DSP workflows. PubMatic’s AgenticOS lets advertisers transact through AI agents using AdCP. AI efficiency may grow digital ad spend and shift more ROI budgets to the open internet. Seller agents and marketplaces could help publishers unlock demand without big sales teams. The open web will compete better with stronger identity, measurement, and a simpler supply chain. Chapter 00:00 Travel check and AI kickoff 01:05 Moltbot and why autonomous assistants matter 01:56 Rajeev Goel on agentic AI at PubMatic 07:00 RTB automates only the impression moment 08:37 RFPs, emails, spreadsheets — the manual reality 10:05 Agents scaling campaign management 15:15 Butler Till and Clubtails case study setup 18:37 PubMatic agent recommends inventory, audiences, and data 22:34 Agents compress the value chain, weaken DSP lock-in 45:05 OpenAI ads debate, CPM economics, answer engine ads Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 2m

  4. 23 JAN

    Episode 157: Marketing Ad Tech in 2026 with Paul Knegten

    Paul Knegten draws on his experience as a former Beeswax CMO and long-time ad tech marketer to explain what actually works in marketing as the industry heads into 2026. The conversation covers AI hype versus real value, why founder voice matters more than positioning decks, how buyers actually make decisions, and the difference between a marketing problem and a real business problem. Paul also breaks down where ad tech companies lose the plot when talking to brands and agencies, and why relevance beats buzz every time. Takeaways AI does not fix weak positioning and only works when it solves a real customer problem. Founder-led communication often outperforms polished brand messaging in ad tech. Buyers care more about results than transparency when performance is strong. LinkedIn and major industry events remain the two most effective channels to reach decision makers. Many companies think they have a marketing issue when they actually have a product-market fit problem. Chapters 00:09 Intro and guest welcome, Paul Knegten 01:04 Marketecture Live and Startup Showcase 04:05 Paul’s background in ad tech marketing 05:34 State of ad tech and the AI rush 06:39 Consolidation and “quietly winning” ad networks 08:44 Transparency vs performance for buyers 10:11 Founder-led marketing and being the face of the brand 13:13 Avoiding the ad tech echo chamber 15:26 Reaching buyers on LinkedIn and tentpole events 20:15 Brands and agencies vs ad tech priorities 22:06 AI hype and differentiation 24:05 “Marketing problem” vs “problem problem.” 28:39 OpenAI rolls out ads in the free tier 38:58 CTV News, EDO vs iSpot TV lawsuit 47:48 Gamera launch and open-web signals Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    53 min

  5. 16 JAN

    Episode 156: Does quality really matter? Erez Levin weighs in

    Ari Paparo and Eric Franchi are joined by Erez Levin, a former Googler who focuses on media and inventory quality. They dig into what “quality” really means in programmatic advertising, why short-term outcomes can be misleading, and how incentive structures have pushed spend toward lower-value impressions. Takeaways Quality is best understood through effectiveness, but most measurement overweights short-term signals.  “Not all impressions are created equal.”  quality varies by context, format, and goal.  Video definition loopholes led to premium pricing for lower-attention formats and contributed to market confusion.  MFA, SPO, and curation are connected symptoms of incentives that reward cheap scale and vanity metrics.  Verification helps, but quality needs to be addressed across the full media workflow, including experimentation and MMM.  Agentic buying could either improve quality controls or make it easier to optimize only to what’s measurable in the near term.  Publisher traffic declines reinforce the difference between commoditized content and differentiated journalism or creator-led media.  Chapters 00:00 Welcome and introduction to media quality 01:29 Marketecture Live updates and announcements 04:18 Erez Levin on why advertising quality matters 06:00 Defining quality vs outcomes in digital advertising 08:30 Brand impact, long-term effectiveness, and mental availability 09:43 Lessons from Google AdX and DV360 10:58 Video misclassification, IAB definitions, and market fallout 14:03 Outstream video, pricing, and mobile gaming use cases 17:00 MFA, SPO, and the real causes of inventory quality problems 19:03 Tools, verification, and the role of measurement frameworks 20:30 Agentic buying, AI, and control over media quality 22:41 AI news: Google UCP, AdCP, and agentic commerce 30:13 Apple, Siri, and Google Gemini’s implications 34:16 Publisher traffic decline and the future of content 36:23 Agentic buying vs RTB and portfolio theory 42:34 AppleCart funding and influence-based advertising 45:04 Liftoff IPO filing and the mobile ad tech landscape 47:57 Google antitrust lawsuits update 49:03 Closing thoughts and wrap-up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    52 min

  6. 12 JAN

    Tim and Chris Vanderhook on Viant’s Lattice Brain: How Autonomous Advertising Beats Human Traders

    From CES, Ari Paparo talks with Co-founder and CEO Tim Vanderhook and Co-founder and COO Chris Vanderhook of Viant about what automation looks like in a DSP workflow, using Viant’s Lattice Brain and Outcomes as the framing. They cover how goal-based optimization is set up (CPA/ROAS), what they observed in tests comparing automated and human-managed campaigns, and why “decision latency” is a recurring issue in day-to-day programmatic execution.  Takeaways They describe Outcomes as a goal-based workflow where an advertiser provides key inputs and the system handles ongoing optimization decisions. The guests share results from internal tests comparing automated vs human-managed campaigns, and discuss what signals they looked at beyond the final CPA. A main theme is “decision latency”; humans operate on meeting and approval cycles, while automated systems can adjust continuously. They distinguish between transparency and control: visibility into where spending goes, but limited ability to override optimization choices. They expect a hybrid approach, with some budgets remaining hands-on and others shifting toward more automation. Chapters 00:00 CES check-in and episode setup 00:55 The AI-assisted song launch tangent 01:54 What “Lattice Brain” refers to 02:39 What Outcomes is meant to do 03:42 CPA/ROAS now, incrementality later 05:21 Why run an AI vs human comparison 06:36 Test setup, including excluding retargeting 08:06 What the results suggested and what they focused on 10:25 What automation changes reveal about typical workflows 12:19 Transparency vs manual overrides 14:16 Why open-web performance has been difficult historically 16:29 What they think needs to be true for better open-web performance 17:33 Hybrid buying and where automation fits Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    22 min

  7. 9 JAN

    Episode 155: Ari Missed CES, but Eric and AI Were There. Plus, Mike Khristo Creates Marketing Plans from GitHub

    Ari Paparo and Eric Franchi break down the biggest themes coming out of CES and across ad tech. Ari speaks with Mike Khristo, CEO of Layers, about turning code directly into customers, automating marketing for developers, and how vibe coding is enabling a new wave of profitable niche apps. Ari and Eric then cover AI-powered ad platforms, agentic buying and selling, and major industry announcements from Walmart, Viant, Reddit, Amazon, and The Trade Desk. Takeaways Layers automates marketing for developers who lack marketing skills. Vibe coding allows non-professionals to create viable apps. AI tools are improving the quality of code produced by non-developers. Organic growth is becoming increasingly important for app distribution. App Store Optimization is crucial for visibility in app stores. TikTok and Meta are key platforms for app marketing. Non-technical individuals can successfully build and market apps. The rise of niche apps is creating new opportunities in the market. Developers can focus on building features rather than marketing. The future of app development is empowering individuals to create without needing extensive technical backgrounds. Chapters 00:00 Intro and CES check-in 02:05 Upcoming interviews and announcements 04:00 MADDB product update 05:26 Interview begins: Mike Khristo, CEO of Layers 10:10 Vibe coding and production-quality apps 15:02 App growth channels: Meta, Apple Search Ads, and ASO 17:58 Managed UGC and creator scale 25:20 News of the Week begins 29:34 Amazon DSP and Reddit automation (“Max” modes) 31:06 Viant Lattice Brain and outcomes-based buying 37:27 Agentic advertising and IAB roadmap 46:59 Closing and Marketecture Live reminder Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    49 min

  8. 6 JAN

    Inside Walmart Connect: From Retail Media to Full-Funnel Performance with Khurrum Malik

    Walmart Connect has quickly evolved from a search-driven retail media platform into a full-funnel advertising powerhouse. In this episode, Ari Paparo sits down with Khurrum Malik, VP of Business and Product Marketing at Walmart Connect, to unpack how Walmart is combining on-site search, off-site media, CTV via Vizio, and closed-loop measurement to spark real sales impact. Khurrum shares why he joined Walmart Connect, how “couch to cart” is becoming a reality, what performance TV means for emerging advertisers, and why incrementality is the new gold standard for retail media. The conversation also previews Walmart Connect’s CES announcements, including AI-driven ad tools, search incrementality GA, and new third-party benchmarks that position Walmart Connect against digital and social media. Takeaways Walmart Connect is a multi-billion-dollar retail media business growing 30%+ by focusing on sales impact, not just media delivery Search and PLAs remain the core, but Walmart Connect is expanding aggressively into brand, video, CTV, and off-site media Vizio enables true “couch to cart” activation by connecting CTV exposure directly to Walmart sales outcomes Incrementality and IROAS are becoming the measurement bar for retail media, not just attribution Walmart’s omni-channel footprint of 4,600+ stores and 150M weekly shoppers is a core competitive advantage CES announcements highlight AI-powered tools, search incrementality GA, and third-party benchmarks that outperform digital and social media norms Chapters 00:00 Welcome & Introduction 00:38 Why Khurrum Joined Walmart Connect 02:18 What Is Walmart Connect Today 03:57 Beyond PLAs and Search 05:03 Scale, Brand, and Performance 06:33 Measurement and Incrementality 06:47 Vizio and “Couch to Cart” 09:30 Performance TV for Emerging Advertisers 11:09 Third-Party Measurement & Trust 13:50 CES Preview 17:10 Lightning Round 19:31 Wrap-Up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    20 min
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The Marketecture Podcast is hosted by industry experts Ari Paparo and Eric Franchi. Every Friday they publish an interview with an important thinker in the advertising and marketing industries, and cover that week's most important news. Every Monday there's an in-depth vendor interview where you learn about interesting companies. https://www.marketecture.tv

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  • Creator
    Ari Paparo
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    356
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    © Copyright 2025 Marketecture Media, Inc.
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