Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman

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On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

4 DAYS AGO

Episode 133: Anne Richmond Boston (The Swimming Pool Q's)

Back in the late 70s Anne Richmond Boston was a part of a then up-and-coming, young new-wave band called The Swimming Pool Q’s—a band that would find a spiritual home alongside contemporaries like fellow Georgians The B-52s and R.E.M. In 2026 Boston is still (bar a few years when she had moved on from the band) playing shows as a member of the band. Indeed The Swimming Pool Q’s have some shows coming up this May, information for which you can get here from their website. But there’s another story to be told here. The story of how Boston set out to record the follow up to her debut solo record The Big House Of Time, only for that album (I Should Be Happy) to remain unfinished and unreleased for more than 30 years on from its original recording sessions. So what happened? That’s what we’re here to discuss (as well as looking back on Boston’s musical upbringing and tales from the early years of The Swimming Pool Q’s). At the time of this conversation Boston was rehearsing with a band to hopefully see songs from I Should Be Happy performed on stage. Hopefully this will come to pass. In the meantime, I highly recommend checking out the album, if you aren’t already familiar with it. It’s an elegant and affecting set of songs dealing with loss and longing and hope. Incidentally, the interview show I refer to during our conversation (but then couldn’t remember the name of) was Into Music. Photo: Jason Thrasher I Should Be Happy on CD, vinyl and digitally on bandcamp. Thanks for Howard at Howlin’ Huelf Media Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

1hr 3min
14 APR

Episode 132: Curran Reynolds (The Chain, Body Stuff)

For the past 10 years Curran Reynolds has been one third of PR group The Chain, alongside Justin Pearson (Deaf Club, 3 One G) and Brandon Gallagher (Trace Amount). As with Justin and Brandon, Curran also makes music—on top of helping to represent artists navigating the music industry in his role at The Chain. This Sunday (April 19th) will see The Chain co-presenting an event to celebrate their 10 years together at Elsewhere in Brooklyn. The event is being co-promoted by Saint Vitus and will feature all three members of the Chain—Justin in the recently reformed Swing Kids, Brandon’s Trace Amount and Curran’s project Body Stuff (amongst other acts). Curran joins me to discuss the forthcoming event, The Chain, Body Stuff, and stories from his time working with Today Is The Day and from his years working as a publicist at Earache Records. Photo: Paul Roura Visit The Chain World for more information about Chain X and links to buy tickets. Body Stuff on bandcamp Curran and Body Stuff on Instagram Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

53 min
7 APR

Episode 131: HYPER GAL

Osaka, Japan’s HYPER GAL are vocalist Koharu Ishida and drummer Kurumi Kadoya. The two have been making music together since 2019 and this Friday sees the release of their latest record together Our Hyper. As with the duo’s previous albums, Pure and After Image, Our Hyper will be released on SKiN GRAFT Records—with the album on vinyl and CD (as well as digitally) and with special editions of the release also available. I’ve been thoroughly enjoying listening to an advance stream of the record, which sees the pair evolve their distinctive sound—which combines intense noise bombardments with shoegaze and pop aspects. For anyone able to attend one of the duo’s upcoming shows in Europe (the pair’s second planned tour in Europe as HYPER GAL) you could even pick up a copy of the album in person. This interview is a little different to past interviews on this podcast as Koharu and Kurumi were joined by friend Ai who helped to translate between my English questions and their Japanese answers. Thank you to Ai and thank you to Mark at SKiN GRAFT Records for helping to set this interview up. And if you’re wondering why we’re all laughing at the start of the interview. Well, I realised just as they were starting to answer my first question that I hadn’t pressed record! Good thing I figured that out before we were halfway through. Buy Our Hyper here. HYPER GAL on Instagram. Cover art by Akina TokiyoshiPhotos by Yurika Rokkon Design by Mark Fischer Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

41 min
31 MAR

Episode 130: Jarboe

Since the mid-80s, Jarboe has been an important figure in the musical underground. While many will have first come to know her through her mesmerising performances as a member of Swans from 1985 to the band’s initial breakup in 1997, Jarboe has now been releasing music under her own name for roughly 35 years. 1991’s Thirteen Masks showcased her versatility as a singer and songwriter and with each successive release Jarboe has continued to explore the possibilities of compositional architecture. From the harrowing intensity of 1998’s Anhedoniac, to the drone-metal-infused Mahakali ten years later, to the beautiful and highly atmospheric Illusory from 2020, Jarboe’s next musical step can never be predicted. Sightings (released this Friday on Consouling Sounds) builds from an experience Jarboe had several years ago where a particular vireo bird appeared in her garden every day for a whole summer, seemingly performing directly for her. Recordings of this bird’s versatile song became the foundation for the album’s centrepiece “Vireo Serenade”. Once the idea of Sightings was born, Jarboe brought in several friends and collaborators, (including Thor Harris and Father Murphy’s Freddie Murphy and Chiara Lee) to help create an album that once again explores new musical terrain, while continuing to signpost her enduring Buddhist meditative practices. Jarboe joins me to discuss the album, nature, danger, creativity and how she navigates the music business as a DIY artist who has never courted mainstream attention. Visit The Living Jarboe Pre-order Sightings from Consouling Sounds Thanks to Dom at 3-Nation Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

1hr 5min
24 MAR

Episode 129: Dan Hornsby (True Green)

Writing a novel and writing a song are two quite different prospects. Dan Hornsby—author of Sucker and Via Negativa, as well as fronting indie-rock group True Green—is pretty well-versed in both. On this very day True Green release their second album HAIL DISASTER on Spacecase Records and Dan joins me to discuss his music, his writing and some of the stories that make their way into his art. In amongst discussions of the late Steve Irwin, Lou Reed and The Cleaners from Venus we even find ourselves discussing the late purple one, Prince. And I’m always game for a chat about Prince. True Green will be playing shows in North America in the end of May. You can get further information on all upcoming shows from the links below. Daniel Hornsby online, for all writing and music-related content. Instagram True Green on bandcamp. HAIL DISASTER on vinyl from Spacecase Records. Thanks to Joe at Stereo Junk PR Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

1hr 2min
17 MAR

Episode 128: Steve Instasi (Black Beach)

Though post-punk unit Black Beach was officially born in 2012, Steve Instasi, bassist Ben Semeta and drummer Ryan Nicholson had already been playing together under different names. In fact, Ben and Steve have been playing together in various bands since Steve was 12. So Mail Thief (out this Friday on Best Brother Records) is certainly far from the trio’s first rodeo. But while the band already have several releases under their belts, Mail Thief is Black Beach’s first collaboration with a label (thanks to the band linking up with Best Brother Records). With Mail Thief channelling strains of The Birthday Party, as well as longstanding inspirations like The Fall and The Stooges, Steve joins me to discuss the record, how the band’s sound has evolved over the years and tales from many years of performing and touring. And on the topic of tours, Black Beach will be playing along the East Coast of the US from the 1st of April, preceded by an album-release show on Saturday the 21st of March at Deep Cuts, Medford, MA (supported by Pinklids, Nice Guys and Dinos). Incidentally, on the 4th of April, Black Beach will be sharing a stage with Luna Honey, whose Maura Pond appeared on this podcast all the way back on episode 47—if you haven’t already given that interview a whirl, the might like to do so. She’s great and they’re great. For all Black Beach links and to listen to and pre-order Mail Thief click here. Check out the Best Brother Records catalogue here. Thanks to Joe at Stereo Junk PR Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

42 min
13 MAR

Episode 127: Claire Dickson

Currently residing in Berlin, US-born Claire Dickson is no stranger to having the inspiration of a new environment seep its way into her music. While her debut, solo-record Starland was intriguingly, “Created on a boat in the Arctic Circle and her apartment in Brooklyn,” (where she lived at that time), Balance was born entirely out of the land. With her latest record released today (on New Amsterdam Records), Claire joins me to discuss her music, her singing background, why she moved to Berlin (and stayed) and how she found herself in the Artic Circle. For music, videos, live dates and more, visit Claire Dickson’s website. Claire Dickson on bandcamp. New Amsterdam Records. Thanks to Jan at New Amsterdam Records. Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

50 min
10 MAR

Episode 126: Ben Vaughn

Songwriter, performer, producer, sitcom-theme-tune writer, radio host, Ben Vaughn has many strings to his bow from decades working in the arts and entertainment world. Since January of this year, ‘podcast host’ can now be added to the list, as Vaughn (alongside co-host Laura Pochodylo) present “Straight From The Hat With Ben Vaughn”. On each episode of the show Pochodylo (a manager at Sun Records in Nashville) draws out names at random from a hat. Every name has some connection to Vaughn from his years in music and TV and so the stories spontaneously follow. Five episodes have been aired so far, featuring stories of Vaughn playing with Lynyrd Skynyrd, how he ended up writing music for Third Rock From The Sun and (in the most recently aired episode) his role as producer on the Ween record 12 Golden Country Greats. For sure I wasn’t going to miss the chance to get more entertaining Ween-related stories out of Vaughn, but just like with his podcast there was no shortage of topics to dive into and insights to gain from his years in the music business and beyond. Click here for links to Straight From The Hat Check out Ben Vaughn’s website (including links to his music) Thanks to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf Media Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

52 min

On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

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Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes
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2024 - 2026
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134
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