Code. Deploy. Go Live.

Andrew Connell & Julie Turner
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Welcome to the Code. Deploy. Go Live. podcast! By Microsoft MVPs Andrew Connell and Julie Turner, our mission is to deliver prescriptive guidance on Microsoft 365 and Azure for Full-Stack Developers. Get the latest news, discussions, and interviews on topics ranging from Microsoft 365, Microsoft Azure, and related topics. For developers, by developers!

  1. 031 | Microsoft 365 Copilot Extensibility: Declarative Agents, Custom Engines, and Work IQ with Microsoft's Paolo Pialorsi

    3H AGO

    031 | Microsoft 365 Copilot Extensibility: Declarative Agents, Custom Engines, and Work IQ with Microsoft's Paolo Pialorsi

    Microsoft 365 Copilot Extensibility: Declarative Agents, Custom Engines, and Work IQ with Microsoft's Paolo Pialorsi In this episode, Andrew and Julie sit down with Paolo Pialorsi at a Microsoft conference to explore Microsoft 365 Copilot extensibility and the newly announced Work IQ platform. They dive into the three pillars of Copilot extensibility: declarative agents (which leverage Copilot's foundational models and orchestrator), custom engine agents (which give you full control over the model, orchestrator, and customization), and AI apps built with Work IQ that operate outside the Copilot UI. Paolo breaks down how Work IQ differs fundamentally from Microsoft Graph by adding context, memory, and business understanding on top of data, then shares practical guidance on choosing the right path for your scenario. The conversation covers the microservices-style multi-agent architecture using the agent-to-agent protocol, the Work IQ chat API versus retrieval API, responsible AI guardrails, licensing considerations, and the upcoming Copilot Showroom tool that lets developers explore these APIs without building a full solution. Whether you're getting started with Copilot extensibility or trying to understand when to move from declarative agents to custom engine agents, this episode gives you the mental models and decision trees you need. 🔗 LINKS=================================================🔗 A Closer Look at Work IQ🔗 Work IQ overview🔗 Overview: Declarative agent🔗 Paolo Pialorsi on LinkedIn 📺 Watch the episode: https://youtu.be/KZf7KBb7Ga4 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORSSympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTubeVoitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (02:16) - MICROSOFT 365 COPILOT EXTENSIBILITY FUNDAMENTALS (07:00) - Declarative Agents vs Custom Engine Agents (13:16) - Understanding Licensing and Architectural Decisions (19:47) - Introducing Work IQ (25:01) - Work IQ vs Microsoft Graph (32:17) - REST APIs and the Copilot Showroom Tool (39:23) - Resources and Closing Remarks

    44 min
  2. 030 | M365 Copilot Declarative Agents Level Up: MCP Apps, Embedded Knowledge & Coding Skills

    APR 22

    030 | M365 Copilot Declarative Agents Level Up: MCP Apps, Embedded Knowledge & Coding Skills

    In this episode, Andrew and Julie dive into the latest updates to the declarative agent developer experience in Microsoft 365 Copilot. Andrew walks through what's shipped since Ignite 2025 — including the GA of MCP apps support (which lets agents respond with interactive UI widgets instead of just text), embedded knowledge that packages up to 20 files directly into an agent, and the new AI coding assistant skills under the Work IQ banner that help Claude Code, GitHub Copilot, and Codex better understand declarative agent projects. Along the way, they swap stories about using Claude Code to modernize an older SharePoint Framework session, weigh in on where MCP apps could take line-of-business solutions, and share picks covering the Artemis II mission and the 2026 World Nature Photography Awards. 🔗 LINKS================================================= 🔗 Webinar: Supercharge Your Microsoft 365 Dev Workflow with Claude Code (May 21, 2026)🔗 Webinar: Microsoft 365 Copilot Developer's Guide to Declarative Agents (April 15, 2026)🔗 Workshop: Build Declarative Agents for Microsoft 365 Copilot🔗 What's New for Microsoft 365 Copilot Declarative Agents — April 2026 🎁 Picks================================================= Andrew's Pick(s)🔗 NASA: Moon Base Architecture User's Guide (PDF)🔗 Hank Green: Explaining the Most Important Artemis II Photos Julie's Pick(s):🔗 2026 World Nature Photography Awards Winners (Popular Science)🔗 World Nature Photography Awards — Official Store📚 CHAPTERS================================================= (00:00) - Introduction (00:34) - Conference prep & upcoming events (02:10) - Julie's Claude Code win modernizing an SPFx session (05:43) - Andrew's Teams walkie-talkie sync solution (06:26) - Artemis II mission excitement (07:26) - DECLARATIVE AGENTS: DEV EXPERIENCE UPDATES (08:36) - Baseline: what shipped at Ignite 2025 (11:09) - MCP Apps support goes GA (22:19) - Embedded knowledge for agents (29:48) - AI coding assistant skills (Work IQ) (38:52) - AC'S & JULIE'S PICKS 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORSSympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTubeVoitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley

    48 min
  3. 029 | Inside PnPjs: Open Source at Enterprise Scale with the Library Maintainers

    APR 8

    029 | Inside PnPjs: Open Source at Enterprise Scale with the Library Maintainers

    In this episode, Andrew and Julie sit down with Beau Cameron and Patrick Rodgers, two of the core maintainers of PnPjs, for the podcast's first guest interview. PnPjs is a client-side TypeScript library that wraps both the SharePoint REST and Microsoft Graph APIs into a fluent, developer-friendly interface. With 38,000 tenants relying on the library and handling roughly 38 billion requests per month, PnPjs has become one of the most mission-critical open source projects in the Microsoft 365 ecosystem. The conversation digs into the real challenges of maintaining a library at that scale, including architectural decisions like the elegant Timeline design, controversial API choices around URI escaping and the Pages API, and what it means to be responsible stewards of an open source project by refusing to wrap unsupported or reverse-engineered endpoints. You'll also get a peek at what's coming in v5, which Beau and Patrick describe as a maintenance-focused release aimed at improving code coverage, test execution, and expanding Microsoft Graph API coverage. The hardest part of maintaining PnPjs isn't the code itself, it's maintaining trust. Beau, Patrick, and Julie explore the tough decisions they've had to make as maintainers, from dropping support for legacy v2.1 endpoints to pushing back against shipping features that don't quite work right. Whether it's understanding the design tradeoffs baked into the Timeline architecture, wrestling with the extensibility of behaviors and virtual events, or grappling with the consequences of being used at such massive scale, this episode offers genuine insight into what it takes to steward a library that countless developers depend on every single day. 🔗 LINKS================================================= 🔗 NASA Artemis II Mission🔗 Two Outlook Instances Running on Artemis🔗 PnPjs GitHub Repository🔗 PnPjs Documentation 🎁 Picks================================================= Patrick's Pick(s):🔗 De Buyer Mineral B Carbon Steel Fry Pan Beau's Pick(s):🔗 Colorado Fruit Farmers Revive Heirloom Apple Orchards Andrew's Pick(s):🔗 Claude Code Unpacked Julie's Pick(s):🔗 SP Rest Explorer by Sergei Sergeev 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter 🎙️ GUESTSPatrick Rodgers: LinkedIn, BlueskyBeau Cameron: LinkedIn, Bluesky, Site SPONSORSSympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTubeVoitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley

    1h 6m
  4. 028 | Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit v6.6.0 Release Review

    MAR 25

    028 | Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit v6.6.0 Release Review

    In this episode, Andrew and Julie dive deep into the Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit (ATK) version 6.6.0 release, exploring the latest features and changes for building declarative agents. Andrew walks through the new embedded knowledge functionality that allows developers to include knowledge directly within agents without requiring separate SharePoint uploads, and he shares insights on improvements to actions and plugins. The conversation also covers significant template changes in the toolkit, including what was removed and what's new, along with some frustrations about missed opportunities in how Microsoft is presenting this powerful toolkit to developers. Andrew reflects on why the embedded knowledge feature is such a game-changer for agent development, discusses the practical implications of template changes on developer learning and onboarding, and explores the broader ecosystem of plugins and skills that are enabling more sophisticated agent deployments. 🔗 LINKS================================================= AC's Webinars: 🔗 Microsoft 365 Copilot - Evaluate Your Agent Options 🔗 Microsoft 365 Copilot - Developer's Guide to Declarative Agents 🔗 Microsoft 365 AI-Assisted Development SharePoint Framework Issues: 🔗 debugManifest stopped working today 🔗 SPFx Application Customizers getting "wrong" top placeholder in production 🔗 SPFx Field & ListForm Customizers not loading from local dev AC's Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit (ATK) v6.6 review 🔗 Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit v6.6.0 Release Review 🎁 Picks================================================= Andrew's Pick(s)🔗 Skills.sh Julie's Pick(s):🔗 The Infinite Game, by Simon Sinek 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORSSympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTubeVoitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley

    1h 1m
  5. 027 | SharePoint 25-Year Anniversary - Developer's Perspective

    MAR 11

    027 | SharePoint 25-Year Anniversary - Developer's Perspective

    In this episode, Andrew Connell and Julie Turner celebrate SharePoint's 25th anniversary by examining the platform's evolution through a developer's lens. They chronicle the major development models that shaped SharePoint over the past quarter-century, from the early days of no formal development model and ASP.NET server-side rendering in SharePoint Portal Server 2003, through the introduction of the plugin model in 2007, the partially trusted solutions approach in 2010, the app model in 2013, and the modern SharePoint Framework (SPFx) that launched in 2017. Along the way, they discuss how each evolution addressed real customer pain points and Microsoft's ongoing challenge to enable developer customization while maintaining platform stability and security in a multi-tenant cloud environment. Beyond the technical roadmap, Andrew and Julie reflect on what has made SharePoint meaningful to them personally: the vibrant global community of developers and professionals who have become lifelong friends. They share how the SharePoint ecosystem has provided not only career opportunities but also personal growth through international connections and diverse perspectives. They conclude by discussing SharePoint's current state in the broader Microsoft 365 landscape, where it has evolved from trying to do everything to serving a focused role alongside complementary products like Microsoft Graph, allowing developers to view themselves as part of a larger Microsoft 365 development ecosystem. 🔗 LINKS ================================================= 🔗 SharePoint at 25: Global enterprise knowledge in the AI era🔗 Introducing new agentic building in SharePoint and more updates🔗 SharePoint Hackathon🔗 SharePoint at 25: The knowledge platform for Copilot and agents 🎁 Picks================================================= Julie's Pick(s):🔗 Apple Is Developing an AI-Powered Wearable Device🔗 What privacy? As expected, Meta Ray-Bans are a privacy disaster Andrew's Pick(s)🔗 Improving Skill Creator: Test, Measure, and Refine Agent Skills 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORSSympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTubeVoitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (00:00) - Introduction (12:10) - SHAREPOINT'S 25-YEAR JOURNEY FROM A DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE (15:55) - Getting Started with SharePoint (20:52) - Evolution of SharePoint Development Models (26:01) - From SharePoint 2003 to 2007 (36:00) - The On-Premises Era (2007-2013) (42:00) - SharePoint Online and the Add-in Model (54:24) - SharePoint Framework Revolution (58:02) - The SharePoint Developer Community (01:05:40) - SharePoint Development Today (01:09:51) - AC'S & JULIE'S PICKS

    1h 18m
  6. 026 | Exploring the 2025 State of JavaScript Survey

    FEB 25

    026 | Exploring the 2025 State of JavaScript Survey

    In this episode of the Microsoft 365 Dev Podcast, Julie and Andrew dive into the results of the 2025 State of JavaScript survey, sharing their take on the trends, tools, and libraries shaping the JavaScript ecosystem. They discuss why the survey is so valuable for developers, from discovering new language features to tracking the rise and fall of popular libraries. The conversation covers the dominance of Vite as the most loved library, React's continued strong usage despite growing pain points, the steady decline of Webpack sentiment, and the emergence of tools like Rolldown (a Rust-based bundler from the Vite team) and Hono (a backend framework with sky-high satisfaction ratings). Beyond libraries, Julie and Andrew explore front-end framework trends, noting that the era of constantly jumping between frameworks seems to be over, with the average developer using just 2.6 frameworks across their career. They also touch on testing tools (including Vitest's rapid rise alongside Jest's declining satisfaction), the state of AI coding tools in the survey results, mono repo tooling, and some interesting community picks like Observable Framework for building dashboards. Whether you're a seasoned JavaScript developer or working in the Microsoft 365 ecosystem, this episode offers a great pulse check on where the industry is heading. 🔗 LINKS=================================================🔗 State of JavaScript Survey 2025 Results 🔗 Vite🔗 Vitest🔗 Rolldown🔗 Hono🔗 Observable FrameworkAndrew's Picks:🔗 Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on employment or productivity—and it has economists resurrecting a paradox from 40 years ago🔗 This CTO Says 93% of Developers Use AI, but Productivity Is Still 10%Julie's Pick:🔗 Camellia Beans 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORS Sympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Website 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTube Voitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 Website 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (00:00) - Introduction (05:01) - State of JavaScript 2025 Survey (01:09:21) - AC's & Julie's Picks

    1h 23m
  7. 025 | PnPjs Explained: Fluent APIs for SharePoint & Microsoft Graph

    FEB 11

    025 | PnPjs Explained: Fluent APIs for SharePoint & Microsoft Graph

    In this episode, we explore PnPjs, the widely-used open source TypeScript library that simplifies Microsoft 365 development by providing a fluent API for SharePoint REST and Microsoft Graph endpoints. Co-maintainer Julie Turner explains how PnPjs eliminates manual URL string concatenation, offers IntelliSense support for discovering API methods, and works seamlessly across SharePoint Framework (SPFx) client-side solutions, Node.js server applications, and browser-based apps. We discuss the library's tree-shaking capabilities for minimal bundle sizes, flexible authentication options, including built-in SPFx context behaviors, and its pass-through design that preserves underlying API functionality. Whether you're building SPFx web parts, Azure Functions, or Teams applications, learn why over 38,000 tenants rely on PnPjs to generate 40 billion API calls monthly and how to get started with just two core packages. 🔗 LINKS=================================================From the episode intro & banter:🔗 Breast Cancer Marathon News / Feature🔗 PnPjs 🔗 M365 Community Conference Andrew's Pick:🔗 Hacking Moltbook: The AI Social Network Any Human Can Control🔗 How AI assistance impacts the formation of coding skills Julie's Pick:🔗 Qobuz 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORS Sympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Website 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTube Voitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 Website 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (00:00) - Introduction (06:16) - News / Interview (53:52) - AC's & Julie's Picks

    1h 11m
  8. 024 | SharePoint Framework Issues, Upcoming Features, & Data-Bound Controls

    JAN 28

    024 | SharePoint Framework Issues, Upcoming Features, & Data-Bound Controls

    In this episode, Andrew Connell and Julie Turner cover critical SharePoint Framework issues affecting developers in early 2026. We discuss breaking changes in the new document library experience that push command set extensions to overflow menus and break folder hiding settings, a significant debugging bug preventing field and form customizers from executing on lists during local development, and the upcoming SPFx Developer Toolbar. We also dive deep into the architectural debate between data-bound "smart" controls versus separation of concerns, examining dependency conflicts in PnP Reusable Controls caused by outdated PnP.js versions and why forcing developers to accept control-imposed dependencies creates maintenance nightmares. 🔗 LINKS=================================================From the episode intro & banter:🔗 AC: Microsoft 365 Copilot & Claude Naming is Misleading🔗 Julie: Ask Sympraxis & WorkIQ SharePoint Framework Issues & New Features:🔗 🐞 Issue 10607: SP Lists breaking SPFx extensibility (field & form customizers)🔗 🐞 Issue 10598: New doc library breaking SPFx extensibility🔗 💬 Ask Sympraxis: New Document Library (FEB-4, 2026)🔗 ✨ SPFx Debug Toolbar Data-Bound Controls🔗 PnP Reusable React Controls🔗 PnP Reusable Property Pane Controls Andrew's Pick:🔗 Apollo Guidance Computer: Restoring the computer that put man on the Moon Julie's Pick:🔗 Tech Promised Everything. Did it deliver? | Scott Hanselman 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORS Sympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Website 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTube Voitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 Website 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (00:00) - Introduction (16:45) - SharePoint Framework News (issues & new feature) (40:04) - Data-Bound UX Controls (01:01:56) - AC's & Julie's Picks

    1h 10m
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Welcome to the Code. Deploy. Go Live. podcast! By Microsoft MVPs Andrew Connell and Julie Turner, our mission is to deliver prescriptive guidance on Microsoft 365 and Azure for Full-Stack Developers. Get the latest news, discussions, and interviews on topics ranging from Microsoft 365, Microsoft Azure, and related topics. For developers, by developers!

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