Design Of Podcast

with host Justin Ahrens

The Design Of isn’t a podcast about graphic design. It’s about the intentional design of how we live, lead, create—and pursue what matters most. Hosted by brand strategist and storyteller Justin Ahrens, The Design Of explores the moments, decisions, and values that shape how people find purpose, navigate change, and create meaningful impact in their lives and work. Through powerful, human-centered conversations with startup founders, bestselling authors, artists, teachers, business leaders, everyday innovators, and even Olympic medalists and an Oscar winner—each episode reveals what it really takes to build a life (and legacy) with intention. Whether you’re leading a business, building a brand, making art, or simply trying to live more intentionally, The Design Of invites you to pause, reflect, and reconnect with what truly matters. Brought to you—intentionally and with purpose—by Rule29 and O’Neil Printing. 07d1f150-18b2-11f0-ad84-11f0a7387296

  1. 6d ago

    S11 Episode 81: Steven Heller - The Design Of Seeing the World Through Design

    What happens when design becomes more than the work you make and becomes the way you understand the world? Steven Heller has spent a lifetime asking that question. From New York’s underground press to 33 years at The New York Times, Steven has built a career as an art director, writer, historian, critic, educator, and one of graphic design’s most prolific observers. But his story is not simply about documenting design. It is about using design to understand culture, politics, history, technology, and human behavior. In this episode of Design Of, Justin Ahrens talks with Steven about growing up in Manhattan and the billboard he remembers from childhood, finding his voice in the underground press, joining The New York Times at just 24, and why he still does not consider confidence a given. They also explore the evolution of the design profession, why history gives designers a sense of continuum, the difference between changing tools and changing ideas, propaganda and visual persuasion, AI, authorship, curiosity, collecting, legacy, and what happens when the things we spend a lifetime making eventually have to be let go. At 76, Steven is still questioning, still writing, and still curious. Maybe that is the real lesson. Design is not simply something we make. It can be a language for understanding what it means to be human. In This Episode - Justin and Steven talk about: • Growing up in Manhattan and the billboard Steven still remembers from childhood • Finding his voice in New York’s underground press • Joining The New York Times at just 24 and staying for 33 years • Why he says he has never really felt confident • How design became a lens for understanding culture, politics, psychology, and history • The difference between changing design tools and changing design itself • Why knowing design history gives us a sense of continuity • Propaganda, visual persuasion, and the responsibility designers carry • AI, authorship, and what new technology may change about the profession • Collecting, legacy, and what happens when the things we spend a lifetime saving have to be let go • Why curiosity still matters, no matter how much you already know Key Takeaways • Design can become a lens for understanding culture, history, psychology, politics, and people. • Technology changes the tools and delivery systems of design, but strong concepts still begin with human thought. • Knowing design history gives creatives a sense of continuity and helps us understand where ideas come from. • Designers understand the persuasive power of words and images, but understanding that power and taking responsibility for it are different things. • Curiosity may be one of the most important tools a creative person can keep developing throughout a lifetime. About Steven Heller Steven Heller is a design writer, historian, educator, and former art director whose career has helped shape the way graphic design is documented, discussed, and understood. He spent 33 years at The New York Times, including as art director of the Op-Ed page, and has written and edited extensively on graphic design, illustration, visual culture, propaganda, and design history. He continues to write The Daily Heller for PRINT and has spent decades teaching and helping new generations of designers understand the larger cultural context of their work.

    S11 Episode 81: Steven Heller - The Design Of Seeing the World Through Design
  2. Sep 10

    S11 Episode 80: George Aye - The Design Of Pissed-Off Optimism

    **What if good design isn’t just about what we create, but what we’re willing to stand for?** George Aye, Co-Founder and Co-Executive Director of Greater Good Studio, has built his career around that question. Born in Myanmar and raised in England, George grew up with a family story shaped by courage, injustice, and sacrifice. His father spent years in a Burmese prison after being identified as an agitator against the country’s military regime. That experience became part of the moral compass George carried into his own life and, eventually, into his work as a designer. His path was anything but planned. George nearly missed college, discovered design through engineering and 3D modeling, and eventually made his way to Chicago and IDEO, where he spent seven formative years. But success brought bigger questions. Who does design really serve? Who holds the power? And what responsibility do designers have to the people who ultimately live with the consequences of what they create? Those questions led George and his wife, Sara Cantor, to found Greater Good Studio in 2011, built around a defining decision: they would work exclusively with organizations in the social sector. In this episode of *Design Of*, George and Justin Ahrens talk about design, ethics, power, purpose, and the courage to say no. George shares how his father shaped his worldview, what he learned at IDEO, why he and Sara chose a different model for their studio, and why meaningful work sometimes begins with deciding what you will no longer do. We also explore **Pissed-Off Optimism**, the idea behind Angry Hour and the Livid Conference. It’s a belief that we can see what’s broken, be angry about it, and still refuse to give up hope that things can be better. And George shares the thinking behind his newest keynote, *Designing a New Social Contract*, built around one powerful question: **“What do we expect of each other when we’re in need?”** It opens a conversation about aging, dignity, responsibility, community, and the systems we’ve inherited. This is a conversation about the lens we bring to our work, and how that lens shapes what we choose to build. **In this episode:** * George’s unlikely path into design * The influence of his father and family story * Seven formative years at IDEO * Building Greater Good Studio with Sara Cantor * Designing for people, not just clients * Why saying no matters * Pissed-Off Optimism, Angry Hour, and the Livid Conference * Design ethics, power, dignity, and social impact * *Designing a New Social Contract* George Aye is the Co-Founder and Co-Executive Director of Greater Good Studio, a Chicago-based design practice dedicated exclusively to the social sector. His work explores design, ethics, power, social impact, and the responsibility designers have to the people affected by what they create.

    S11 Episode 80: George Aye - The Design Of Pissed-Off Optimism
  3. Jul 31

    S11 Episode 79: Jon Houghton - The Design Of Leadership Beyond Yourself

    What if leadership isn't about producing results, but helping people become who they're capable of becoming? Jon Houghton has spent much of his life helping people grow. For more than twenty years, he served in leadership roles with Young Life, developing leaders, building teams, and helping others discover their gifts and purpose. Then, after a successful career doing work he deeply loved, Jon made a surprising decision. He left. Not because something was broken. Not because he was unhappy. But because he felt called to explore a new challenge and discover what another chapter might hold. Today, Jon serves as CEO of Holy Post Media, a company creating thoughtful conversations around faith, culture, leadership, and life in an increasingly polarized world. Through Holy Post, Chicago Fellowship, and countless conversations with leaders, Jon continues to ask questions that matter. Questions about identity. Questions about purpose. Questions about what it means to grow. In this episode of Design Of, Jon shares the lessons he's learned about leadership, feedback, community, faith, and personal transformation. Along the way, he reflects on mentors who shaped him, the risks of staying too long, the challenges of starting over, and why some of the most important work leaders do has nothing to do with performance metrics. Jon shared a question that has quietly followed him throughout much of his life: "Am I lovable if I'm not impressive?" It's a deeply human question. And it opens the door to a conversation about ambition, achievement, identity, and the freedom that comes when we stop trying to prove ourselves and start helping others flourish. This conversation isn't really about leadership. It's about becoming. And helping others do the same. In This Episode, We Explore: • Why Jon chose to leave a successful twenty-year career and start a new chapter • The transition from nonprofit leadership to leading a growing media company • How healthy leadership begins with self-awareness • The difference between helping people perform and helping people grow • Why feedback feels threatening and how to receive it differently • The role faith plays in leadership, relationships, and community • Building meaningful connections in a culture that often lacks depth • How mentors help us see things in ourselves we cannot yet see Key Takeaways: • Great leadership starts with personal health and self-awareness. • You cannot help others grow if you are unwilling to grow yourself. • Feedback becomes less threatening when your identity is rooted in something deeper than performance. • Meaningful community requires intentional effort and vulnerability. • Growth often begins when we leave something comfortable and familiar. • The best leaders help people become more fully who they were created to be. About Jon Jon Houghton is the CEO of Holy Post Media, a media company focused on thoughtful conversations about faith, culture, leadership, and public life. He also leads Chicago Fellowship, a community that brings together nonprofit and marketplace leaders seeking to grow personally, professionally, and spiritually. Prior to Holy Post, Jon spent more than two decades with Young Life, helping develop leaders and organizations across the country. His work today centers on creating meaningful conversations, building healthy communities, and helping people become who they're capable of becoming.

    S11 Episode 79: Jon Houghton - The Design Of Leadership Beyond Yourself
  4. Jun 24

    S11 Episode 78: Dena Blevins - The Design Of Making Things That Matter

    After helping lead creative and innovation efforts for global brands including Starbucks and Hydro Flask, Dena Blevins found herself asking a different question: What happens when you stop building for some of the world's most recognized brands and start building something that feels deeply personal? In this episode of Design Of, Dena shares her journey from corporate leadership to entrepreneurship and the launch of Frank, a company inspired by the messy, funny, difficult, and beautiful realities of everyday life. At Frank, the mission is simple: create products inspired by what life throws at us and what's happening in the world around us. Sometimes that means diving into difficult topics. Sometimes it means finding humor in uncomfortable moments. And sometimes it means offering a proud middle finger and an undeniably frank point of view. Through a growing collection of bandanas, scarves, cocktail napkins, and thoughtful products, Frank gives people a way to wear, share, celebrate, mourn, laugh, support, and express what they're feeling. Or not. The choice is theirs. What makes this conversation compelling isn't the products. It's the story behind them. "I love that I can put something out there that hopefully resonates with others as well." — Dena Blevins After years helping shape stories for global brands, Dena found herself building a company rooted in that belief. We explore how leadership evolves over time, how personal experiences often become the foundation for meaningful businesses, and why some of the most impactful ideas begin not with a market opportunity but with a human one. Along the way, we talk about entrepreneurship, reinvention, grief, humor, purpose, storytelling, and what it means to create work that reflects who you are, not just what you do. And perhaps the biggest takeaway is this: The most meaningful businesses don't just create products. They create connection. In This Episode, We Explore • Dena's journey from global creative leadership at Starbucks and Hydro Flask to entrepreneurship • The story behind Frank and why she started it • Building a business rooted in honesty, humor, and humanity • How personal experiences can become meaningful products and opportunities • Why storytelling remains one of the most powerful business tools • The relationship between purpose, creativity, and entrepreneurship • What it means to redefine success in a new chapter of life Key Takeaways • Experience often reveals what matters most • Great businesses begin with real human needs • Stories create connection when they are relatable, honest, and human • Humor can help people navigate difficult conversations • Purpose and business can strengthen one another • New chapters require courage, curiosity, and conviction About Dena Dena Blevins is an entrepreneur, storyteller, and former global creative leader whose career includes leadership roles with Starbucks and Hydro Flask. She is the founder of Frank, a brand that creates bold, honest products inspired by real life and the world around us. Through bandanas, scarves, cocktail napkins, and storytelling, Frank helps people express themselves with humor, humanity, and an unapologetically frank point of view.

    S11 Episode 78: Dena Blevins - The Design Of Making Things That Matter
  5. May 16

    S11 Episode 77: Nancy O'Connor - The Design Of Figuring It Out on Stage

    Nancy O’Connor is building a comedy career the old-fashioned way. By bombing, writing, trying again, living with her 91-year-old great aunt, and realizing almost everything in life can become material if you are paying attention. In this episode of Design Of, Nancy talks about growing up in a big Irish Catholic family where getting heard at the dinner table was basically a competitive sport. She shares how her dad’s full-body laugh shaped her sense of humor, why open mics are both terrifying and useful, and how living with her great aunt has become part roommate story, part sitcom, part writing lab. It’s funny, but there’s something real underneath it. Nancy is not pretending the path is clear. She is working it out in real time. Corporate jobs, comedy classes, silent open mics, family stories, dating in New York, and a 90+ year-old roommate who may or may not be the best unpaid writing partner in Brooklyn. And if nothing else, here’s your takeaway: + Pay attention to your life. That’s the material. + Even the weird parts. Especially the weird parts. + Because if Nancy can turn living with a 91-year-old roommate and arguing at the dinner table into a comedy career… you’re probably sitting on something too. + You just have to be willing to write it down. In This Episode, We Explore + What it takes to build a stand-up career one open mic at a time + How growing up in a big family teaches you timing, volume, and survival + Why bombing is awful, helpful, and somehow part of the job + How Nancy’s dad became both comedy influence and recurring material + Why the best stories usually come from real life, not perfect conditions + How to keep going when the room is silent and karaoke is apparently next Key Takeaways + A loud dinner table can be better training than a classroom + Sometimes the safest career path is the one that feels least alive + Your family may be your first audience and your most dangerous source material + Good comedy starts with paying attention + Bombing does not mean stop. It means rewrite About Nancy: Nancy O’Connor is a New York City-based stand-up comedian who is building her career through writing, performing, producing shows, and finding material in the everyday moments most people miss. Her comedy draws from family, dating, Catholic guilt, corporate life, and the strange gift of living with her 91-year-old great aunt. She has also been featured in Artists of New York in an episode titled “Comedy Over Corporate.”

    S11 Episode 77: Nancy O'Connor - The Design Of Figuring It Out on Stage
  6. Apr 30

    S11 Episode 76: Rhyon Nicole Brown - The Design Of Who Gets to Tell the Story

    What happens when a triple threat talent decides it’s not enough to perform in the system, and starts building a new one? In this episode of Design Of, I sit down with Rhyon, an actor, singer, and entrepreneur who is stepping into a new role. Not just as a performer, but as a creator and builder through her company, Rhume. Rhyon has spent years in the entertainment industry, building a career across film, television, and music. She knows what it takes to show up, deliver, and succeed in spaces that are competitive and often limiting. But success inside the system raised a bigger question for her. What if the system itself needs to change? Through Rhume, Rhyon is working to rethink how media is created and shared. Not just more content, but better ownership. More intentional storytelling. More opportunity for voices that don’t always get a seat at the table. This conversation is about that shift. From being cast to creating. From performing to producing. From participating to building. It’s about what it takes to carry multiple identities. The pressure of being known for one thing while feeling called to something more. And the discipline required to actually build it. Because building your own platform sounds exciting. Until you realize you’re responsible for everything. Why You Should Listen + If you’ve ever felt like you’ve outgrown the role you’re in, this episode will hit. + If you’re navigating multiple paths and trying to make them make sense, this will feel familiar. + And if you care about where media is going, and who gets to shape it, this conversation matters. Rhyon isn’t waiting for permission anymore. She’s building something new with Rhume. In This Episode, We Explore + What it really means to be a triple threat in today’s world + The shift from performer to entrepreneur and builder + Why Rhume exists and what it aims to change in media + The limitations of traditional entertainment systems + How to move from being selected to self-directed + The tension of evolving your identity in public + What it takes to build something from the ground up + The responsibility that comes with owning your voice Key Takeaways + Talent gets you in the room. Ownership changes the room + You can succeed in a system and still decide to outgrow it + Building something new requires clarity, not just ambition + Multi-dimensional careers are harder, but more honest + Media is shifting toward creators who own their platforms + The future belongs to those willing to rethink the structure, not just the output Whether you’re building something new, refining what already exists, or simply paying closer attention to where you are… this conversation is for you. Take a few minutes and sit with it. About Rhyon: Rhyon is an actor, singer, and entrepreneur whose work spans film, television, and music. Starting her career at a young age, she built a strong foundation in performance before expanding into business and media. She is the founder of Rhume, a company focused on rethinking how stories are created, shared, and owned.

    S11 Episode 76: Rhyon Nicole Brown - The Design Of Who Gets to Tell the Story
  7. Apr 9

    S11 Episode 75: John Pobojewski- The Design Of Across Disciplines

    What happens when a creative leader realizes that style alone isn’t enough, and decides to build something rooted in idea, intention, and longevity instead? In this episode of Design Of, I sit down with John Pobojewski to explore the tension between style and substance, and what it really takes to create work that lasts. This is a conversation about design, yes—but more importantly, it’s about leadership, conviction, and the responsibility that comes with shaping brands in a world that moves fast but forgets even faster. John has spent his career helping organizations think more clearly about who they are and why they exist. Along the way, he’s seen what happens when brands chase trends, confuse motion with progress, or mistake aesthetic for meaning. His perspective is simple, but not easy: without a real idea, design becomes decoration, and decoration doesn’t endure. This episode is not about making things look better. It’s about making them matter. Key Takeaways “If there’s no idea behind it, it’s just style. And style doesn’t last.” Strong brands are built on clear ideas, not visual trends Design without meaning creates noise, not impact The best creative work simplifies, not complicates Longevity comes from conviction, not reaction Clients don’t need more options, they need clearer direction John’s perspective is a reminder that great design is not about decoration. It’s about decision-making. It’s about knowing what matters, and having the discipline to build around it. If you care about building a brand that lasts, not just one that looks good today, this conversation will stay with you. Listen now and rethink what your brand is really built on.

    S11 Episode 75: John Pobojewski- The Design Of Across Disciplines
  8. Feb 25

    S11 Episode 74: Nathan Thornburgh - The Design Of Roads & Kingdoms

    What happens when a foreign correspondent watches legacy media shrink, and decides to build something more human instead? In this Season 11 opener of Design Of, Justin Ahrens sits down with Nathan Thornburgh, former Time Magazine foreign correspondent and co-founder of Roads & Kingdoms, to explore journalism, leadership, American identity, and the future of immersive storytelling. Nathan spent nearly a decade reporting from Moscow and across Europe during a period of global change. As foreign bureaus closed and media shifted toward digital scale, he saw the rise of compassion fatigue — the growing distance between audiences and the people in the story. Roads & Kingdoms became his response. Built at the intersection of food, geopolitics, and culture, the company became a creative partner to Anthony Bourdain and a home for long-form journalism rooted in shared humanity. Today, it has evolved into a print magazine, curated travel experiences, and a membership community built around real-world connection. This episode explores: • The myth of journalistic neutrality • Why humility matters in global reporting • How food unlocks difficult cultural conversations • Leadership after loss • Designing a brand around depth instead of scale • Why community and in-person experiences are a strategic advantage For founders, marketers, and cultural leaders, this conversation is a powerful case study in values-driven brand building. If you care about storytelling, media, travel, culture, or building something that lasts in an automated world — this episode is for you. Listen now and discover what it means to design human-sized stories.

    S11 Episode 74: Nathan Thornburgh - The Design Of Roads & Kingdoms
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The Design Of isn’t a podcast about graphic design. It’s about the intentional design of how we live, lead, create—and pursue what matters most. Hosted by brand strategist and storyteller Justin Ahrens, The Design Of explores the moments, decisions, and values that shape how people find purpose, navigate change, and create meaningful impact in their lives and work. Through powerful, human-centered conversations with startup founders, bestselling authors, artists, teachers, business leaders, everyday innovators, and even Olympic medalists and an Oscar winner—each episode reveals what it really takes to build a life (and legacy) with intention. Whether you’re leading a business, building a brand, making art, or simply trying to live more intentionally, The Design Of invites you to pause, reflect, and reconnect with what truly matters. Brought to you—intentionally and with purpose—by Rule29 and O’Neil Printing. 07d1f150-18b2-11f0-ad84-11f0a7387296

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