A Public Affair

Douglas Haynes, Ali Muldrow, Carousel Bayrd, Allen Ruff, & Esty Dinur

Listener Sponsored Community Radio in Madison, WI

  1. 13h ago

    Raise a Garden, Raise a Ruckus with Robin Wall Kimmerer

    On today’s show, host Douglas Haynes speaks with renowned botanist and teacher Robin Wall Kimmerer about her new movement, Plant Baby Plant. While giving a talk a few years back, Kimmerer coined the movement in order to turn people away from the extractive logic of Drill Baby Drill and “raise a garden-gloved middle finger” to the MAGA mantra. Instead, Plant Baby Plant initiates a new cultural story that asks participants to “raise a garden and raise a ruckus.” Kimmerer says that we need to “re-story” our relationship with plants, the land, and the rest of the non-human world. Plant Baby Plant seeks to catalyze restoration projects and revive and re-story the cultural imaginary. Kimmerer says that “the same forces degrading our natural environment are degrading our cultural environment. She wants people to trade the message of individualism we’ve been fed with one of common purpose. Plant Baby Plant promotes people taking direct, physical actions, even small ones like converting your yard into a biodiverse carbon sink with native plants. Kimmerer calls this resistance with shovels and seeds. Yet, small acts aren’t enough. Kimmerer says we need to “raise a ruckus” by contributing to systemic change that moves away from extraction toward reciprocity. This work is urgent, and Kimmerer recommends “slowing down in our imagination and speeding up in our defense of the natural world,” following the example of organizations like The Understory Alliance. Robin Wall Kimmerer is a mother, scientist, decorated professor, and enrolled member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. She is the author of Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants, which has earned Kimmerer wide acclaim. Her first book, Gathering Moss: A Natural and Cultural History of Mosses, was awarded the John Burroughs Medal for outstanding nature writing, and her other work has appeared in Orion, Whole Terrain, and numerous scientific journals. In 2022, Braiding Sweetgrass was adapted for young adults by Monique Gray Smith. This new edition reinforces how wider ecological understanding stems from listening to the earth’s oldest teachers: the plants around us. Robin’s newest book, The Serviceberry: Abundance and Reciprocity in the Natural World (November 2024), is a bold and inspiring vision for how to orient our lives around gratitude, reciprocity, and community, based on the lessons of the natural world. Featured image of zinnia seedlings via BlueRidgeKitties on Flickr (CC BY-NC-SA 2.0).  Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Raise a Garden, Raise a Ruckus with Robin Wall Kimmerer appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  2. 3d ago

    The Chief Danger of AI Is Its Misuse

    Over a decade ago, Stephen Hawkins wrote that “Success in creating AI would be the biggest event in human history. Unfortunately, it might also be the last, unless we learn how to avoid the risks.” On today’s show, host Esty Dinur is joined by two AI researchers, Julie Derwinski and Kevin Lotto, to talk about the risks of AI and the need to stop the race for super intelligence. Derwinski explains how AI is grown, not programmed and how much of the process is not well understood. Other forms of AI, more rudimentary and programmed, have been with us for decades. But the rise of large language models created by for-profit corporations is poorly regulated in addition to being poorly understood. Derwinski and Lotto advocate against super intelligence and work toward greater levers of consent and accountability for AI developers.  Derwinski’s recent article reveals an instance when a “swarm” of AI agents acted in ways their creators didn’t anticipate by hacking into another company. She says that the chief danger of AI is its misuse, and this issue is front and center because of the “alignment problem.” Currently developers can’t get AI to align with human values, but if they could, there is still the problem of whose values would be prioritized.  Lotto says that we’re watching a massive human experiment by tech companies unfold, and their goal is to shore up their power and change the world in their image. Because AI companies have trained their models to be agreeable and persuasive, he says there’s no better time than now to interact with other humans. ControlAI Wisconsin Action Group has created a simple tool that people can use to contact their lawmakers, and they’re hosting their next meeting on August 26th at 6:00pm. You can also find the group at LaborFest and contact Julie Derwinski and Kevin Lotto on LinkedIn. Julie Derwinski served as a Senior Staff Attorney for the Wisconsin Court of Appeals for over two decades. She now conducts AI research and education focused on governmental systems and stopping superintelligence. Her work includes co-founding ControlAI Action Group Wisconsin, a grassroots group aimed at stopping superintelligence, and collaborating with Indigenous communities to create the Tribal AI Governance Toolkit. She also works with the National Center for State Courts AI Implementer’s Forum.  ​Kevin Lotto is an AI researcher and software engineer based in Beaver Dam, Wisconsin. He earned his computer science degree from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. ​His current focus is on AI safety and existential risk advocacy. Kevin is a public speaker and co-founded ControlAI Action Group Wisconsin with Julie Derwinski. He also volunteers for the Torchbearer Community as a digital communicator and trainer. Through these grassroots organizations, he drives legislative action and public awareness campaigns to prioritize human safety over the unchecked development of advanced artificial intelligence. Featured image of an imagined artificial intelligence via Wikimedia Commons (CC0 1.0). Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post The Chief Danger of AI Is Its Misuse appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  3. 4d ago

    Dave Zirin Remembers Howard Zinn’s Legacy

    On today’s show, Norman Stockwell speaks with journalist Dave Zirin about his new book, The People’s Historian: The Outsized Life of Howard Zinn. Zinn was at the center of some of the most pivotal moments of the twentieth century, including the Great Depression, Spanish Civil War, Civil Rights movement, Vietnam, and more. Zirin says that not only was Zinn an observer of these grand canvases, he also joined in the fray. Zinn’s legacy is that of a historian who played a role in making history. He got his start as a bombardier in the Spanish Civil War; but motivated by equal rights and anti-fascism, he was horrified by the experience of dropping bombs on civilians. He went on to say “There’s no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people,” after President Ronald Reagan bombed Tripoli.  Zirin shares personal stories of Zinn’s life including that he was a Red Sox fan, that he gave an early draft of The People’s History of the United States to Matt Damon’s mother, and he describes the legacy of Zinn as an educator. Zirin responds to questions about how Zinn found hope amidst war and violence, saying that Zinn’s hope was rooted in a sense of history and the knowledge that people will always do surprising, unexpected things, like the mass student uprising in India. Zirin will be participating in a celebration of the life of Howard Zinn in Madison on November 4 at 7pm at the Barrymore Theatre alongside Matt Rothschild, John Nichols, Norman Stockwell, and Maximilian Alvarez.  Dave Zirin writes about sports for The Nation and The Progressive and hosts the Edge of Sports podcast and “Edge of Sports with Dave Zirin” on The Real News. He is the author of The Kaepernick Effect: Taking a Knee, Changing the World and The People’s Historian: The Outsized Life of Howard Zinn. Featured image of the cover of The People’s Historian: The Outsized Life of Howard Zinn. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Dave Zirin Remembers Howard Zinn’s Legacy appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  4. 5d ago

    Primary Postmortem and Midterm Preview

    This month, voters made their selections in the Fall primary election. At the top of the ticket, David Crowley will face off with Tom Tiffany in a bid for Wisconsin’s governor. To break down the results of the Fall election and preview the upcoming Midterm, host Ali Muldrow is joined by two local labor leaders, Molly Grupe and John Wedge. When Grupe and Wedge were on A Public Affair after the Spring election, they discussed how the candidates they endorsed had been very successful. Grupe describes WEAC’s process of endorsing candidates for the Fall primary and why WEAC put their weight behind Kelda Roys based on her track record on public education. Wedge breaks down the pros and cons of endorsing a candidate early in the race.  In the 77 days until the November Midterm, Wedge says that education will be the centerpiece of their messaging to voters. Though there’s a lot of focus on the governor’s race, the Midterm will also decide key races in the Wisconsin Senate and Assembly.  They also discuss how perceived fragmentation affects Democratic politics, how Crowley can tap into Hong’s supporters, and how the unions can come together to send a message about the Democratic ticket.  Molly Grupe is an early childhood speech-language pathologist in the Waunakee Community School District, and is the PAC chair of her teachers association. She lives in Monona, and served as an alderperson there from 2018-2022. She currently serves as the Chair of the WEAC Region 6 Political Action Committee, and as the Vice Chair of the WEAC state level PAC. John Wedge is the Executive Director at WEAC Region 6. Featured image of an absentee ballot dropbox courtesy of Chali Pittman/WORT News.  Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Primary Postmortem and Midterm Preview appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  5. 6d ago

    There’s a Mismatch Between Graduates’ Skills and AI Proof Jobs

    As college freshmen prepare to move into their dorms and apartments this Fall, they may face very different job opportunities than are available now. On today’s show, host Dana Pellebon speaks with journalist Jon Marcus who wrote a recent article about the future of the labor market for college graduates.  Economists predict major labor shortages in fields like semiconductor production and healthcare because this work can’t be performed by AI. But getting more students to pursue these kinds of careers is a more complex story. Marcus points to decline in math education at the K-12 level and a decline in international student enrollment that lead to fewer students majoring in certain fields, particularly STEM. Marcus also points to declining birth rates, the decline of the US’s higher education system, and the looming retirement of an entire generation of baby boomers as also contributing to the state of the labor market.  Marcus also studies these phenomena in other countries and discusses how the US compares to other nations. He then breaks down the relationship between federal and state funding of higher ed and predicts that more states will cut funding to higher education as they pick up the bill from federal cuts to Medicaid and SNAP.  Jon Marcus is senior higher education reporter at The Hechinger Report. He also writes for The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Boston Globe and other magazines, newspapers, and websites, and was cohost of the award-winning NPR podcast College Uncovered. Marcus holds a master’s degree in journalism from Columbia University and a bachelor’s degree from Bates College and attended Oxford University. He teaches journalism at Boston College and Northeastern University. Featured image of students wearing regalia at a college graduation via Wikimedia Commons (CC0 1.0). Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post There’s a Mismatch Between Graduates’ Skills and AI Proof Jobs appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  6. Aug 17

    Wisconsin’s Domestic “Brain Drain” Among the Worst in the Nation...

    “Brain drain” is the phenomenon of early career, college educated adults leaving the state where they were born for jobs in another state. A recent study published by the Wisconsin Policy Forum (WPF) found that Wisconsin’s brain drain ranks second-to-last in the nation. To break down the findings, host Douglas Haynes speaks with WPF’s research director Joe Peterangelo and communications director and policy researcher Mark Sommerhauser.  The findings are concerning and complicated. About 60% of Wisconsin-born adults who now live in another state have a bachelor’s degree, compared to 45% of people who now live in Wisconsin but who were born elsewhere. This trend is similar across the Midwest, with the exception of Illinois, which has a net “brain gain.” One data point that Peterangelo and Sommerhauser say Wisconsin can be proud of is that the state ranks close to the national average for educational attainment.  They also discuss how to mitigate brain drain, what might make Wisconsin a more attractive state to stay in or migrate to, and WPF’s related study, the 2026 State of the States.  In the second half of the show, producer Sara Gabler chats with Haynes about recent climate headlines.  Joe Peterangelo has been a part of the Wisconsin Policy Forum’s research team since 2011 and has served as its research director since July 2024. Joe has authored many impactful reports on economic, transportation, and housing issues in Wisconsin and metro Milwaukee, including several that have received awards from the national Governmental Research Association. Mark Sommerhauser is Communications Director/Policy Researcher for the Wisconsin Policy Forum. He works in the Forum’s Madison office, where he both contributes to research and helps to disseminate it to the public. Before joining the Forum, Mark worked from 2015 to 2019 as a Capitol reporter for the Wisconsin State Journal, where he covered the state budget, state agencies, transportation issues, and state and federal politics.  Featured image of a comic representation of brain drain via Flickr (CC BY-NC 2.0). Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Wisconsin’s Domestic “Brain Drain” Among the Worst in the Nation... appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  7. Aug 14

    Social Media, Climate Change Fueled a Surge of Moroccan Migrants

    Upwards of 80,000 people have been reported making the treacherous crossing to Cueta, Spain from Morocco. Ceuta is a main gateway from North Africa to Europe and many of the migrants were fleeing persecution, climate change, or economic insecurity. To make sense of the factors driving the migrants and the online misinformation following their arrival, host Esty Dinur is joined by Alejandro Martin Rodriguez and Sarah Yerkes of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. In the past, migrants to Cueta primarily came from sub-Saharan Africa. This time, Yerkes says that there’s something going on in Morocco that’s driving their own citizens to flee the country. Since the last large wave of migrants in 2021, economic conditions in Morocco have worsened and trust in the monarchy has eroded. Martin says that climate change is also a factor here, from water scarcity and drought to extreme heat that threatens food security and rural livelihoods.  The number of migrants who arrived in Cueta in a single day completely overwhelmed the city’s ability to respond and at least 100 people died crossing. Significantly, the wave was organized on social media, and there’s talk that there may be another wave tonight. The situation fueled a myriad of conspiracy theories, and far-right political movements in Europe have blamed Spain for not controlling migration into the EU.  They also discuss the number of unaccompanied minors and asylum seekers who remain in Cueta and Morocco’s occupation of Western Sahara. Martin and Yerkes recently wrote an article about the situation, “The Migration Wave That Embarrassed Morocco and Rattled Europe.”  Alejandro Martin Rodriguez is a fellow in the Sustainability, Climate, and Geopolitics Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. His research focuses on the social dimensions of climate change, and he manages projects on climate mobility, peace, and security. His work has appeared in TIME and The National Interest, among other outlets, as well as in publications from the Belfer Center and the UN Environment Program. He is a member of the International Rescue Committee’s Climate Advisory Roster and holds a master’s degree in public policy from the Harvard Kennedy School. Sarah Yerkes is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace where her research focuses on North Africa. She has served in the U.S. State Department and the Pentagon.  Featured image of the coast of Cueta, Spain via Wikimedia Commons (CC BY-SA 2.0). Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Social Media, Climate Change Fueled a Surge of Moroccan Migrants appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  8. Aug 12

    Come Hungry to Black Restaurant Week

    Restaurants are gathering places where culture is preserved, where entrepreneurs can chase their dreams, and where communities can celebrate and invest in one another. On today’s show, guest host Enjoyiana Nururdin celebrates Black restaurateurs with Camille Carter, the president and CEO of the Madison Black Chamber of Commerce, and Nisa Carter, the owner of Sista’s Chicken and Fish. They discuss what it’s like to own and run a restaurant in Madison and celebrate Black Restaurant Week, which runs until Sunday, August 16.  Madison was the first city in the nation to host a Black Restaurant Week, and this year marks the 11th iteration highlighting the longstanding and new staples of the Black culinary scene. Camille Carter gives advice on how entrepreneurs can get started, practice patience, and channel their ambitions into strong, fair contracts. She says there’s a need for greater access to capital and financial education for new Black entrepreneurs.  Nisa Carter describes how she started catering for church picnics and family get-togethers before she started a food truck during the pandemic. Now, her restaurant, Sista’s Chicken and Fish, has a brick and mortar location on South Park Street. They specialize in soul food, but around Madison there’s a diversity of Black restaurants who serve everything from hot dogs to fine dining. Nisa Carter says the future of Madison’s Black culinary scene will be found in food trucks.  Featured image of the logo for Madison’s Black Restaurant Week.  Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Come Hungry to Black Restaurant Week appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  9. Aug 10

    Deregulating Head Start Will Harm Wisconsin Families

    The early education program, Head Start, serves roughly 12,000 children in Wisconsin and about 800 in Dane County. On today’s show, host Douglas Haynes speaks with Jennifer Bailey, executive director of Reach Dane and president of the Wisconsin Head Start Association, about proposed federal cuts to and looming deregulation of this program.  Head Start is a comprehensive early childhood program that serves pregnant people and kids ages 0-5 years. It’s unique because of its wraparound services, from mental and physical health to family services. Bailey says that when parents are doing well, kids will do well. So they support parents to reach their goals, like getting a GED, finding stable housing, or going back to school.  Head Start is a federal-to-local program that also serves the most vulnerable families, those at 100% of the poverty level. Bailey says that she’s seen a rise of unhoused families in Madison and the kids who make it into Head Start “are living in trauma.” Reach Dane serves more unhoused children than any program in Wisconsin.  The Head Start program has faced other proposed cuts and challenges during the second Trump administration. About half of the regional offices have been closed, including one that served Wisconsin. And the recent proposed changes to the program would compromise the standards that have been put in place by many providers. New provisions would raise child-staff ratios and mandate English-only instruction, even though low child-staff ratios and multilingual education are supported by decades of research. They also discuss the broad-scale childcare crisis especially in rural areas, what Bailey envisions for a brighter future, and how people can leave comment on the proposed federal changes. Jennifer Bailey is the executive director of Reach Dane in Madison which provides early childhood services to over 800 underserved children in Dane and Green Counties. Featured image of children in a Head Start program via Wikimedia Commons (CC BY 2.0). Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Deregulating Head Start Will Harm Wisconsin Families appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

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