A Public Affair

Douglas Haynes, Ali Muldrow, Carousel Bayrd, Allen Ruff, & Esty Dinur

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  1. 1d ago

    Plastic has Always Been Supply Pushed, Not Demand Pulled

    WORT 89.9FM Madison · Plastic has Always Been Supply Pushed, Not Demand Pulled When you go to the store to buy bananas and there is plastic wrapped around them, you are demanding the bananas, not the plastic. The discussion of the plastic industry always centers around how to individually reduce plastic waste as consumers, and where plastic ends up when we are done with it. There is little discussion about how and why these plastics were originally created. That is the topic of author Beth Gardiner’s book Plastic Inc. Plastics have always been a byproduct of fossil fuels. Some of these molecules, called naphtha, are heated to very high temperatures until they “crack,” which allows them to be recombined into different lengths and configurations forming different types of plastics. When fracking became popular in the US, digging deep into the earth in search for methane also led you to get ethane in the process. In the early days of fracking, ethane was just burned off because of its apparent uselessness. However, they soon learned that ethane could be used to make polyethylene, which is now the most common plastic in the world. They started using ethane for a multitude of products during World War II, but when the war ended, they needed to find a new source of revenue for these byproducts. This is when plastic packaging, hula hoops, frisbees, and silly putty entered the market. Even now, new forms of plastic packaging continue to be made, such as body wash bottles where there were previously bars of soap.  By the 1970s, the public started questioning the amount of plastic production, and plastic anxiety rose among consumers. The industry recognized the discomfort was a threat to their industry. To counter this, they launched an ad called “Keep America Beautiful,” which was backed by Coke and the Tobacco industry. They created a popular commercial featuring a Native American who finds plastic litter and sheds a tear, ending with the tagline, “keeping America Beautiful is your job.” This completely shifted the blame and responsibility to the consumers, rather than the producers. Their PR campaign redefined the problem as a waste management problem, not an overproduction problem.  As a result, people began aspirational recycling, which persists today. People could feel better about buying plastic products – as long as they are properly recycled. However, the only type of plastic that can really be recycled is PET, made from plastic bottles; and even then, new plastic is always better quality and cheaper to make. Recycling was only used to diffuse public concern and remove the guilt from buying plastic products. Gardiner notes that the conflict in the Middle East is driving higher prices in plastic made overseas. Although this could be an opportunity to use less of it, our involuntary reliance on plastic in our society means it’s probably not going away anytime soon.  Beth Gardiner is an American journalist based in London. She’s a former longtime Associated Press reporter, and her work has been published in outlets including the New York Times, the Atlantic, National Geographic and the Guardian. Plastic Inc. is her second book. It was named a New York Times Staff Pick/Editors’ Choice and has been long-listed for the Wainwright Prize for conservation writing. Beth has discussed her work on NPR’s Fresh Air, All Things Considered and Here & Now. She’s a three-time grantee of the Pulitzer Center and a recipient of the City University of New York journalism school’s McGraw Fellowship for Business Journalism. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Plastic has Always Been Supply Pushed, Not Demand Pulled appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  2. Oct 2

    No One is Coming to Save Us but Us

    WORT 89.9FM Madison · No One is Coming to Save Us but Us Today on A Public Affair, Esty spoke with three guests involved in making the documentary When ICE Melts: Testimonies from the Frontlines, which will have a screening at the Labor Temple in Madison this Sunday, October 4th. When ICE Melts is a film chronicling the resistance against ICE in Minneapolis. The screening will begin at 4:00pm, with a panel discussion following at 5:30 with today’s guests, director Kip Hedges, lawyer Bruce Nestor, and journalist and activist, Andy Thayer. The guests discussed the blue code of silence in Minneapolis, noting how cops do not report the wrongdoing of other cops, and according to Hedges, were often used by ICE to do the dirty work. The documentary highlights the organized resistance by everyday citizens, and the central idea of both the film and today’s show is that no one is coming to save us, so we must take control to save ourselves.  Kip Hedges is the director of the documentary When Ice Melts, a documentary examining the 2025 resistance against ICE in 2025. Hedges is a 30 year ramp worker with Delta Air Lines and long time labor activist. He helped organize the mass strike on January 23rd and participated in the rapid response and mutual networks. He also helped organize workers assemblies following the January 23rd strike. Bruce Nestor is a criminal defense and immigration attorney in Minneapolis, MN, as well as being an urban gardener and political activist. Bruce graduated from the University of Iowa Law School in 1992, with highest honors. He is the past President of the National Lawyers Guild (2000-2003), a national bar association of progressive attorneys, law students, and legal workers, founded in 1937 as the first racially integrated bar association in the United States. He is a past president of the Minnesota Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, a member of the National Immigration Project of the National Lawyers Guild, and a member of the Minnesota Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. Andy Thayer is a long-time activist who for nearly five decades has organized on a wide variety of issues, including anti-war, LGBTQ rights, reproductive freedom, homeless people’s rights and police accountability. His lengthy arrest record includes charges for protesting for LGBTQ rights in Moscow, Russia, felony arrest for an attempted anti-war blockade of a George W. Bush motorcade, and is currently facing charges for protesting the Iran War in front of Chicago’s Trump Tower. Recently retired as an office manager at a nationally recognized civil rights law firm, he has returned to a passion of his youth, advocacy journalism, championing the case of the Minnesota 15 and other cutting edge issues.   Photo courtesy of Lorie Shaull via Flickr   Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post No One is Coming to Save Us but Us appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  3. Oct 1

    The Strange Role Milk has Played in Our Politics

    WORT 89.9FM Madison · The Strange Role Milk has Played in Our Politics Milk has often been the center of controversy in American history. Pasteurization led to monopolies in the industry, the raw milk movement gave more power to the farmers, but not to the consumer, and political campaign money kept money from milk in the hands of large corporations. The dairy industry in particular has been under scrutiny by environmentalists who advocate forgoing milk altogether to reduce the impacts of climate change. These are the topics of Milk Wars: An American History of Dairy Farmers, Truckers, Gangsters and Regulators, written by guest Kenneth O’Reilly, which looks at the history of the dairy industry and examines the wars between the left and the right over milk. O’Reilly described how prohibition put pressure on beer brewers, who began producing ice cream as a new source of income. Once the Great Depression hit, people started looking for inexpensive products. The solution for making milk cheaper was to sell it in the store rather than have it delivered. The milk men drivers were previously a part of the labor union which provided a stable income, but as the demand for delivered milk went down, milkmen had lower wages and fewer jobs. Interestingly, this was also an easy industry for gangsters such as Al Capone to join and engage in organized crime. Many milk men became independent contractors, while some continued to be regular employees. The contractors often didn’t know if they were making any money.  The interstate was also a contributing factor to nationalizing the dairy industry. Before the interstate, milk could be delivered about 10 miles away before perishing, but it could now be delivered much faster and further. This led to a handful of large dairy distributors and monopolies in the dairy industry. The Associated Milk Producers Inc. (AMPI) agreed to give donations to the Nixon campaign if they raised the federal milk price support. This money went back into the dairy cooperations, not the small farmers. This scandal was left out of the Watergate investigation because AMPI continued giving donations to both political parties, so milk stayed under everyone’s radar. The ongoing debate over the dairy industry continues, but O’Reilly believes that the future of dairy will be less about milk, and more about manure, to create biogas to fuel the economy. Kenneth O’Reilly is professor emeritus of history at the University of Alaska Anchorage. He lives in Milwaukee and until recently also taught at Milwaukee Area Technical College. He received his Ph.D. from Marquette University where he studied under Athan Theoharis. He is the author of two Journal of American History articles and several books beyond Milk Wars–notable, “Racial Matters”: The FBI’s Secret File on Black America, 1960-1971. He is currently working on a biography of Gardner (Pat) Jackson, a New Dealer who fought for the rights of tenant farmers, sharecroppers, and rural labor in general. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post The Strange Role Milk has Played in Our Politics appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  4. Sep 30

    “Red Ants” is Indigenous Fiction Infused with Modern Experience

    WORT 89.9FM Madison · “Red Ants” is Indigenous Fiction Infused with Modern ExperienceToday on A Public Affair, award winning poet Kimberly Blaeser joined Ali Muldrow to talk about her forthcoming book, Red Ants. Red Ants comes out next week on October 6, and is already longlisted for the National Book Award. She previously published six poetry collections, which focus on the themes of indigenous literature, environmentalism, advocacy and nature. Blaeser talked about her early influences as a writer, indigenous education in our culture, the Indigenous Nations Poets society she founded in 2020, and her transition from poetry to fiction. Blaeser and Muldrow discuss how her expertise in the craft of poetry shines through in her debut collection of fiction. Today on A Public Affair, award winning poet Kimberly Blaeser joined Ali Muldrow to talk about her forthcoming book, Red Ants. Red Ants comes out next week on October 6, and is already longlisted for the National Book Award. She previously published six poetry collections, which focus on the themes of indigenous literature, environmentalism, advocacy and nature. Blaeser talked about her early influences as a writer, indigenous education in our culture, the Indigenous Nations Poets society she founded in 2020, and her transition from poetry to fiction. Blaeser and Muldrow discuss how her expertise in the craft of poetry shines through in her debut collection of fiction. Kimberly Blaeser, founding director of Indigenous Nations Poets and past Wisconsin Poet Laureate, is the author of six poetry collections, most recently Ancient Light. Her debut fiction collection Red Ants is longlisted for the National Book Award. Blaeser’s other honors include the 2026 Science and Literature Award from the National Book Foundation, 2026 O. Henry Prize, Writers’ Writer for Writers Award, Hayden’s Ferry Review’s Indigenous Poets Prize, and a Lifetime Achievement Award from Native Writers’ Circle of the Americas. An Anishinaabe activist and environmentalist, Blaeser is an enrolled member of White Earth Nation and MFA faculty member at Institute of American Indian Arts. She lives in the woods and wetlands of Wisconsin and Minnesota following poems, photos, stories, and river otters—sometimes all at once. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post “Red Ants” is Indigenous Fiction Infused with Modern Experience appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  5. Sep 28

    Air Monitoring in the US Needs an Update

    WORT 89.9FM Madison · Air Monitoring in the US Needs an UpdateAmes Alexander and Brad Racino of climate news website Floodlight News co-authored a report which investigates the lack of air monitors in the US, especially in high-risk areas. In recent years, Wisconsinites have worried about air pollution from wild fire smoke and new data centers, but according to Alexander, only 40% of Wisconsin counties have air monitoring systems. Across the nation, only 60% of counties have an air monitoring system in place. In 1963, the Clean Air Act enacted a plan to monitor industrial pollution, but these systems have received little funding for repairs or replacement, and many of them are located far from the places where the air is most toxic. Ames Alexander and Brad Racino of climate news website Floodlight News co-authored a report which investigates the lack of air monitors in the US, especially in high-risk areas. In recent years, Wisconsinites have worried about air pollution from wild fire smoke and new data centers, but according to Alexander, only 40% of Wisconsin counties have air monitoring systems. Across the nation, only 60% of counties have an air monitoring system in place. In 1963, the Clean Air Act enacted a plan to monitor industrial pollution, but these systems have received little funding for repairs or replacement, and many of them are located far from the places where the air is most toxic. Although there is an abundance of research showing that toxic air leads to health risks, there is little government regulation that requires enforcement of safe environmental practices, and several lobbying groups have prevented the use of data collected from public and community placed air monitors. The area in Louisiana spanning nine counties down the Mississippi river leading down to New Orleans is commonly called cancer alley, because of the high levels of pollutants in that area. Research from John Hopkins came down to monitor cancer alley, but found there was much more pollution than the EPA was reporting. Petro chemicals, refineries, and fertilizer factories are of particular concern for the public who live in this area, and other places affected by those industries. Without public awareness, a lack of monitoring and a lack of control over the air could lead to devastating consequences, and it is already happening elsewhere. Ames Alexander is an investigative reporter at Floodlight. For more than three decades, his reporting has spurred reforms and saved lives, and he was a lead reporter on two investigations named finalists for the Pulitzer Prize. Brad Racino is Floodlight’s editor-in-chief. He oversees Floodlight’s investigations from pitch through publication and strengthens the organization’s partnerships with local and national newsrooms.   Photo courtesy of Jeramey Jannene via Flickr Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Air Monitoring in the US Needs an Update appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  6. Sep 25

    Canada Stands its Ground as the Duelling Tariffs Continue

    Today on A Public Affair, political science professor at the University of Alberta Reza Hasmath joins Esty Dinur to discuss how the relationship between the US and Canada continues to decline under the Trump administration. Trump has called Canada the 51st state, signed an order to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America, and is in no hurry to resolve trade relations with Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney. This has resulted in a trade war between the US and Canada, where the countries have both imposed tariffs between 15-50% on some products, with a US ban on some motorcycles, whiskies, and dairy products from Canada. Since Canada exports two thirds of their goods to the US, Canada has sought out other countries for trading goods. According to Hasmath, this could lead to an increase of trading between Canada and China – who has been monitoring the US-Canada relations very carefully. Hasmath also discussed the unlikelihood of a North American trade union, which has failed in the past, and would not be successful unless it benefits all countries in North America. This does not seem like a possible solution any time soon. Reza Hasmath is a Full Professor of Political Science at the University of Alberta, where he specializes in Chinese politics and authoritarian governance. He is the Principal Investigator of the Chinese Citizens’ Global Perception Survey, a multi-wave study tracking how ordinary Chinese citizens view the United States and the wider world. He is also Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of Civil Society. He is an award winning author of 9 books and more than 60 peer reviewed articles and chapters. He has held faculty positions at the Universities of Oxford, Melbourne and Toronto, and holds a Ph.D. in social and political sciences from the University of Cambridge. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Canada Stands its Ground as the Duelling Tariffs Continue appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  7. Sep 24

    A Practical Guide for Turning Idealism into Action

    Authors Danielle Chynoweth and Elizabeth Adams join Norman Stockwell to talk about their new book Remaking Democracy: How We Make the Worlds We Want. Designed as a toolkit to facilitate social change, the book is embedded with the idea that no person is dispensable, and everyone is instrumental in creating the world they want. The authors ask the reader to imagine the world they want to live in, avoiding the temptation to idolize moments in the past that created the conditions that led to the present moment.  Chynoweth defines alienation as finding yourself in an environment where you didn’t make any of the decisions about the nature of that environment, and taking initiative to create social change gives power to important efforts fueling the betterment of the world. When constructing a social movement, Remaking Democracy describes the theory behind each strategy mentioned, gives practical and actionable steps to take, and presents case studies to analyze the methods used by previous social movements. Although you can read the book cover to cover, the book is written as a guide to peruse and return to as you discover additional needs or interests. The authors urge people to remain steadfast in their goals, avoiding the temptation to give in to the biggest or worst stories which often get the most attention. The authors also emphasize the importance of people coming together in large numbers to contribute to the same goal, even if that means working with people who disagree with you in service to the larger good. Danielle Chynoweth is a media justice and housing rights leader who organizes with impacted residents to build power through strategic interventions that grow healing and hope. She works to end homelessness as an elected official. She co-founded the Urbana-Champaign Independent Media Center and was the Organizing Director for Media Justice where she led successful national campaigns for prison phone justice and expansion of community media and broadband. She teaches at the University of Illinois, School for Designing a Society, and internationally. https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniellechynoweth/  Elizabeth Adams, PhD, is a composer, teacher, and caregiver, who has worked at the intersection of art, education, and organizing for over 20 years. Her compositions use sound to invoke social and political metaphors, and have been performed throughout Europe and the US. As a knowledge worker intent on creating the cultural change that will support social justice, she co-instigates Julie & Elizabeth’s Anti-Capitalist Concert Series, and organizes with the Crown Heights Tenant Union, and previously with Free University NYC, and What A Neighborhood! She has taught at Columbia University and the School for Designing a Society. More about her work at https://arttothinkwith.org/ Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post A Practical Guide for Turning Idealism into Action appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  8. Sep 23

    Who Does Madison Better, the Eastside or the Westside?

    WORT 89.9FM Madison · Who Does Madison Better, the Eastside or the Westside? Today on A Public Affair, host Ali Muldrow investigates one of the greatest debates of our time: which side of Madison is better, the east side or the west side? Alder Sabrina Madison represented the east side. Sabrina is a Madison Alder for district 17, the founder and CEO of the Progress Center for Black Women, and the founder of the Black Women’s Leadership Conference. Her leadership was integral to the opening of the new Imagination Library, which will officially open this Friday, September 25th – the first library to open in Madison in over 25 years. Representing the west side is Angela Russell. Angela was the former chief diversity officer of Truestage financial group which employs over forty two hundred people, and she is the creator of the Black Oxygen podcast, which gives space to black voices in Wisconsin and was the recipient of the Innovation Award in 2021 in partnership with Madison365. Ali and her guests discussed the culture, restaurants, coffee shops, bookstores, gardens and more found on each side of the city. Although disagreements remain, they found common ground in their love for Madison as a whole as a city founded on values of curiosity and an open mind.  Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Who Does Madison Better, the Eastside or the Westside? appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

  9. Sep 21

    How did Wisconsin Become the Pioneer of Fusion Energy?

    WORT 89.9FM Madison · How did Wisconsin Become the Pioneer of Fusion Energy? It was announced earlier this month that the new tech startup Realta Fusion will partner with Madison Gas and Electric and build a nuclear fusion plant in Southern Wisconsin. Realta also announced that they would be building a fusion research facility at the old Oscar Mayer location in Madison. Fusion energy scientist Stephanie Diem and Director of the Great Lakes Fusion Energy Alliance Kathleen Gallagher joined Patrick Casey to talk about what this collaboration means for Wisconsin. UW Madison has a 50 year fusion energy program, one of the oldest programs of this type in the world, and along with MIT, is leading the way in developing this industry. There are 90 fusion companies in the world, and nearly all of them have graduates from the UW Madison, which has graduated close to 600 students from the program. It’s rare for these companies to progress to forming a partnership with an energy company; The partnership with MG&E makes Wisconsin a possible leader in this emerging industry. Fusion is a hydrogen based energy, and it is the process of heating light elements, such as deuterium and trivium, to a temperature ten times hotter than the sun to fuse together. Fission, in contrast, is the process of heating heavy elements until they break apart. The initial heating involves using lasers and microwaves inside magnetic bottles to maintain the hot temperature, because once the bottles are heated, they must remain at this temperature to continue the reaction. Some of the energy produced is used to continue heating up the bottles to continue reactions, while the rest of the energy can be turned into usable energy.  Stephanie Diem received her PhD in Plasma Physics from Princeton University where she studied at the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory. Prior to joining UW-Madison, Professor Diem was a Research and Development Scientist in the Fusion Energy Division at Oak Bridge National Laboratory and spent two years at the National Fusion Facility at General Atomics in San Diego. She was a speaker at the 2022 White House Summit on Commercial Fusion Energy and co-developed the US Fusion Energy website for the United States Department of Energy. Kathleen Gallagher is Executive Director of 5 Lakes Institute, a non-profit that works to improve the Great Lakes region’s technological and entrepreneurial landscape. 5 Lakes runs the Great Lakes Fusion Energy Alliance and the Wisconsin Fusion Energy Coalition, which was launched by WEDC in January with a $778,000 Ignite Wisconsin grant. Kathleen is also a guest columnist for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and hosts “Midwest Moxie,” a radio show/podcast that features interviews with Midwest company founders. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post How did Wisconsin Become the Pioneer of Fusion Energy? appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

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