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The Official SaaStr Podcast is the latest and greatest from the world of SaaStr, interviewing the most prominent operators and investors to discover their tips, tactics and strategies to attain success in the fiercely competitive world of SaaS. On the side of the operators, we center around getting from $0 to $100m ARR faster, what it takes to scale successfully and what are the core elements of hiring. As for the investors, we learn what metrics they hone in on when examining SaaS business, what type of metrics excites them and what they look for in SaaS founders.

  1. 5D AGO

    SaaStr 844: The Top 5 Issues Managing Multiple AI Agents in Production with SaaStr's CEO and Chief AI Officer

    The Top 5 Issues Managing Multiple AI Agents in Production Managing 1-2 AI agents? Easy. Managing 20+? That's a different game entirely. After 9+ months running nearly 30 AI agents in production at SaaStr, we've learned what actually breaks at scale - and nobody's talking about it. This isn't about deployment tips or vendor selection. This is about the brutal realities that only emerge when you're juggling 20+ agents generating $1M+ in revenue. 🔥 THE 5 ISSUES WE COVER: 1. The Context Switching Tax (2:15) Managing 20 agents = managing 20 employees who all speak different languages. Each needs daily 1-on-1s. The math doesn't work: 20 agents × 20 min = 6.7 hours/day, but you only have 3-4 hours of capacity. 2. The New Agent Blackout Period (12:40) Every new agent costs you 2 weeks of chaos. While onboarding Monaco, Artisan's response rates dropped 3% because contacts went stale. You can only safely add 1.5 agents per month max - any faster and you're running in place. 3. The AI Agent Succession Planning Crisis (23:15) You're the single point of failure for $1M+ of AI-driven revenue. Only 2-5% of your team could manage these agents. What happens when you get hit by a bus? Go on vacation? Leave the company? 4. The Agent as Truth-Teller (32:50) "You're 56% behind target. Block 3 hours tomorrow or adjust your goal." Your agents don't sugarcoat. They have all the data and they'll roast you every day. Is that helpful or demoralizing? We still don't know. 5. The Compliance/Security Drift (41:20) You ran a security audit in January. It's now February. You've shipped 40 updates. Did you re-audit? Probably not. Your security posture is degrading in real-time while you iterate at AI speed. BONUS #6: You Lose Patience with Humans (48:30) After managing agents that respond instantly and work 24/7, humans feel painfully slow. "What do you mean you don't know the answer? My agent knows instantly." This makes you worse at managing actual people. ⚡ KEY TAKEAWAYS: → There is no orchestration layer yet - you're manually checking 20 different dashboards daily → Your agents can't talk to each other - Salesforce is the only place they meet → You need a "Chief Agent Officer" - someone technical enough to manage the stack → The math: Can only add ~1.5 agents/month max, need 10-15 hours/week for management → ROI calculation is simple: Which agent touched which lead? Did it close? That's it. 💰 THE NUMBERS: → 20+ agents in production → $1M+ in closed revenue from agents → 30% of Chief AI Officer time spent on agent management → 2 weeks minimum to onboard each new agent → 6.7 hours needed daily to properly manage 20 agents (impossible) 🛠️ AGENTS WE USE: Sales/Outbound: Artisan, Monaco, Agent Force Inbound: Qualified RevOps: Momentum, Attention Marketing: 10K (custom AI VPM), Gamma, Opus Pro Customer Support: HappyFox Internal: SaaStr Sponsors portal (custom vibe-coded) 🔗 RESOURCES: → SaaStr.ai/agents - Full agent directory and how we use each one → SaaStr Annual 2026 (May 12-14) - SaaStr Deploy day: Build your own agents hands-on → Previous episodes: Deep dives on 10K AI VPM, vibe coding, build vs buy 🎤 SPEAKERS: Amelia Lerutte - Chief AI Officer, SaaStr Jason Lemkin - Founder & CEO, SaaStr The uncomfortable truth: Managing 20+ agents makes you worse at managing humans. You get used to instant execution, no pushback, 24/7 availability, and perfect memory. Then humans feel... inefficient. Maybe the future isn't "how many agents can I add" but "how deep can I go with the ones I have." #AIAgents #SaaS #GoToMarket #AIAutomation #ProductivityTools #B2BSaaS #SalesAutomation #MarketingAutomation #AgenticAI #StartupTech Subscribe for weekly AI deployment content from the trenches. No theory. No vendor pitches. Just what actually works (and breaks) at scale. --------------------- Hey everybody - we are LESS THAN 90 DAYS out from the biggest B2B and AI event of the year. SaaStr Annual is coming back to the SF Bay Area this May, and if you're not registered yet, what are you waiting for? This is where the real deals get done. 68% VP-level and above. 36% CEOs and founders. 25% AI-first professionals. This isn't a conference, this is THE room where S-tier decision makers show up to figure out what's next. But here's the deal: ticket prices go up FAST. Like, actually hundreds. Don't be that person who waits and then pays full price. Lock in your spot TODAY. Go to podcast.saastrannual.com and use my exclusive discount for SaaStr AI SF 2026. May is closer than you think. See you there. --------------------- This episode is Sponsored in part by HappyFox: Imagine having AI agents for every support task — one that triages tickets, another that catches duplicates, one that spots churn risks. That'd be pretty amazing, right? HappyFox just made it real with Autopilot. These pre-built AI agents deploy in about 60 seconds and run for as low as 2 cents per successful action. All of it sits inside the HappyFox omnichannel, AI-first support stack — Chatbot, Copilot, and Autopilot working as one. Check them out at happyfox.com/saastr

    56 min

  2. FEB 25

    SaaStr 843: Software Stocks Have Massively Crashed. Here's What Founders Need to Know.

    SAASTR 843: Software Stocks Have Massively Crashed. Here's What Founders Need to Know.  SaaStr founder and CEO Jason Lemkin joins the TBPN show for a wide-ranging conversation on the state of SaaS, AI, and venture capital. Jason shares how he shrunk his team from 15 to 3 people by going all-in on AI agents, why he's lost patience with companies that haven't re-accelerated growth, and the real economics behind running large-scale events. He breaks down why PE has "said goodbye to B2B," how vibe coding is flooding the market with competitors, and what's making the IPO window both exciting and treacherous. Plus: why the agent that closed a $100K deal on a Saturday night matters more than any demo day pitch, and how AI discoverability is quietly reshaping how businesses choose their software stack. --------------------- This episode is Sponsored in part by HappyFox: Imagine having AI agents for every support task — one that triages tickets, another that catches duplicates, one that spots churn risks. That'd be pretty amazing, right? HappyFox just made it real with Autopilot. These pre-built AI agents deploy in about 60 seconds and run for as low as 2 cents per successful action. All of it sits inside the HappyFox omnichannel, AI-first support stack — Chatbot, Copilot, and Autopilot working as one. Check them out at happyfox.com/saastr   ---------------------   Hey everybody, the biggest B2B + AI event of the year will be back - SaaStr AI in the SF Bay Area, aka the SaaStr Annual, will be back in May 2026.    With 68% VP-level and above, 36% CEOs and founders and a growing 25% AI-first professional, this is the very best of the best S-tier attendees and decision makers that come to SaaStr each year.     But here's the reality, folks: the longer you wait, the higher ticket prices can get. Early bird tickets are available now, but once they're gone, you'll pay hundreds more so don't wait.    Lock in your spot today by going to podcast.saastrannual.com to get my exclusive discount SaaStr AI SF 2026. We'll see you there.

    44 min

  3. FEB 18

    SaaStr 842: The 90/10 Rule for AI Agents: What to Build vs Buy with SaaStr's CEO and CAIO

    SaaStr 842: The 90/10 Rule for AI Agents: What to Build vs Buy with SaaStr's CEO and CAIO SaaStr's Chief AI Officer, Amelia Lerutte, and SaaStr CEO & Founder Jason Lemkin break down SaaStr's evolving 90/10 rule for AI agents and apps: buy 90% off the shelf, build the 10% you can't find. In this episode, they walk through two recently built tools: an internal AI VP of Marketing and an external-facing customer portal, and share the real trade-offs of deploying vibe coding apps into production. Topics covered: Why we replaced a paid SaaS tool with a vibe-coded app (and what pushed us over the edge) How Claude Cowork changed the game for building more complex apps The role of writing a spec before vibe coding Tackling single sign-on as a non-engineer How we used Cowork to process 150+ customer contracts in hours instead of days Lovable's data on what people are actually vibe coding Maintenance costs and the hidden time suck of custom apps Why zero AI in your product should scare you The "jaw drop" test for SaaS products in 2026 -------------------------------------- Tools & resources mentioned: Replit, Claude Cowork, Clerk, Lovable, Zapier, Salesforce, Monaco 🔗 See all the AI agents and tools we use: saastr.ai/agents 🔗 SaaStr Annual 2026 (May 12-14): saastrannual.com 🎙️ 20VCwith Harry & Jason & Rory: Drops every Thursday #SaaStr #AI #VibeCoding #B2BSaaS #AIAgents #BuildvsBuy -------------------------------------- This episode is Sponsored in part by HappyFox: Imagine having AI agents for every support task — one that triages tickets, another that catches duplicates, one that spots churn risks. That'd be pretty amazing, right? HappyFox just made it real with Autopilot. These pre-built AI agents deploy in about 60 seconds and run for as low as 2 cents per successful action. All of it sits inside the HappyFox omnichannel, AI-first support stack — Chatbot, Copilot, and Autopilot working as one. Check them out at happyfox.com/saastr ---------------------   Hey everybody, the biggest B2B + AI event of the year will be back - SaaStr AI in the SF Bay Area, aka the SaaStr Annual, will be back in May 2026.    With 68% VP-level and above, 36% CEOs and founders and a growing 25% AI-first professional, this is the very best of the best S-tier attendees and decision makers that come to SaaStr each year.     But here's the reality, folks: the longer you wait, the higher ticket prices can get. Early bird tickets are available now, but once they're gone, you'll pay hundreds more so don't wait.    Lock in your spot today by going to podcast.saastrannual.com to get my exclusive discount SaaStr AI SF 2026. We'll see you there.

    1h 1m

  4. FEB 11

    SaaStr 841: Going From Blobs to Billions. Clay's Co-Founder Breaks Down Inbound, Outbound, and AI-Powered Sales.

    SaaStr 841: Going From Blobs to Billions. Clay's Co-Founder Breaks Down Inbound, Outbound, and AI-Powered Sales. Clay's Co-Founder Varun Anand takes the stage at SaaStr to break down how the company went from paying for claymation blobs before generating any revenue to powering growth workflows for companies like Cursor, Anthropic, and Figma. He explains why brand has always been core to Clay's identity, how their CFO roast videos and creative campaigns are actually capturing mindshare in a world where B2B marketing is painfully boring, and why he pushes back on the "use AI for everything" mentality that's taken over the industry. Varun does a full live demo building an inbound qualification workflow from scratch using real audience volunteers, walking through everything from lead enrichment and waterfall data sourcing to AI-powered scoring, personalized meme generation, research brief creation, and CRM updates. He also brings audience members on stage to do live growth hacking for their actual business problems. Beyond the product, this session goes deep on hiring. Varun shares the origin story of the GTM Engineer role, how it went from an internal job title for Clay's non-traditional sales team to the most in-demand position in B2B SaaS, and what he actually looks for when evaluating candidates (hint: it's creativity, not a traditional sales background). He talks about Clay's take-home process, work trials, why they hire generalists who commit to specific roles, and the surprising backgrounds of some of their best hires. Whether you're building out your go-to-market motion, thinking about how to use AI without losing what makes your brand unique, or just trying to figure out what a GTM Engineer actually does, this session covers it all. --------------------- This episode is Sponsored in part by HappyFox: Imagine having AI agents for every support task — one that triages tickets, another that catches duplicates, one that spots churn risks. That'd be pretty amazing, right? HappyFox just made it real with Autopilot. These pre-built AI agents deploy in about 60 seconds and run for as low as 2 cents per successful action. All of it sits inside the HappyFox omnichannel, AI-first support stack — Chatbot, Copilot, and Autopilot working as one. Check them out at happyfox.com/saastr   ---------------------   Hey everybody, the biggest B2B + AI event of the year will be back - SaaStr AI in the SF Bay Area, aka the SaaStr Annual, will be back in May 2026.    With 68% VP-level and above, 36% CEOs and founders and a growing 25% AI-first professional, this is the very best of the best S-tier attendees and decision makers that come to SaaStr each year.     But here's the reality, folks: the longer you wait, the higher ticket prices can get. Early bird tickets are available now, but once they're gone, you'll pay hundreds more so don't wait.    Lock in your spot today by going to podcast.saastrannual.com to get my exclusive discount SaaStr AI SF 2026. We'll see you there.

    33 min

  5. FEB 4

    SaaStr 840: From 1 Agent to 20+: The Reality of Managing Multiple AI Agents Across Your GTM with SaaStr's CEO and CAIO

    SaaStr 840: From 1 Agent to 20+: The Reality of Managing Multiple AI Agents Across Your GTM with SaaStr's CEO and CAIO Eight months and 20+ AI agents later, what does managing a multi-agent GTM stack actually look like day to day? SaaStr's CEO and Founder, Jason Lemkin, and SaaStr's Chief AI Officer, Amelia Lerutte, get candid about what's working, and what's not. $4.8M in additional pipeline later, AI agents deployed across Go To Market have helped deal volume doubled and win rates double. But here's what nobody talks about on LinkedIn: the 15-20 hours per week each spent maintaining agents, the messy flows holding it all together, and why you still can't outrun your own AI. They cover the 90/10 build vs. buy rule, why hyper-segmentation is the key to AI SDR success, what to demand from vendors before signing, and why bad context will always produce bad emails, whether a human or an AI writes them. Plus, they walkthrough how they built SaaStr's custom AI VP of Marketing agent to plan and execute every campaign for the year, grounded entirely in data. If you've deployed your first agent and are thinking about what comes next, or you're skeptical the whole thing works at all, this one's for you. --------------------- This episode is Sponsored in part by HappyFox: Imagine having AI agents for every support task — one that triages tickets, another that catches duplicates, one that spots churn risks. That'd be pretty amazing, right? HappyFox just made it real with Autopilot. These pre-built AI agents deploy in about 60 seconds and run for as low as 2 cents per successful action. All of it sits inside the HappyFox omnichannel, AI-first support stack — Chatbot, Copilot, and Autopilot working as one. Check them out at happyfox.com/saastr   --------------------- Hey everybody, the biggest B2B + AI event of the year will be back - SaaStr AI in the SF Bay Area, aka the SaaStr Annual, will be back in May 2026.  With 68% VP-level and above, 36% CEOs and founders and a growing 25% AI-first professional, this is the very best of the best S-tier attendees and decision makers that come to SaaStr each year.   But here's the reality, folks: the longer you wait, the higher ticket prices can get. Early bird tickets are available now, but once they're gone, you'll pay hundreds more so don't wait.  Lock in your spot today by going to podcast.saastrannual.com to get my exclusive discount SaaStr AI SF 2026. We'll see you there.

    1h 3m

  6. JAN 28

    SaaStr 839: Why Most SaaS Companies Will Fail at AI (And How to Avoid It) with Intercom's CPO

    SaaStr 839: Why Most SaaS Companies Will Fail at AI (And How to Avoid It) with Intercom's CPO The Brutal Truth About Transforming a SaaS Company into an AI Company Intercom's Chief Product Officer, Paul Adams, shares the unfiltered story of how they transformed from a struggling SaaS company with 5 quarters of declining growth into an AI-first company with a breakthrough product (Fin) that now handles 1M+ customer resolutions per week. What You'll Learn: Why AI transformation requires "refounding" your entire company - not just adding AI features The self-harming decisions you must make to win (including parting ways with ~33% of your team) How to go from 0 to 6,000+ AI customers with 65% average resolution rate Why demos ≠ products and the "marketing overhang" problem The complete shift in how you build software (empirical evaluation vs. traditional product development) Why designers now ship code to production at Intercom How the buyer has changed (hint: it's no longer just the department head) --------------------- This episode is Sponsored in part by HappyFox: Imagine having AI agents for every support task — one that triages tickets, another that catches duplicates, one that spots churn risks. That'd be pretty amazing, right? HappyFox just made it real with Autopilot. These pre-built AI agents deploy in about 60 seconds and run for as low as 2 cents per successful action. All of it sits inside the HappyFox omnichannel, AI-first support stack — Chatbot, Copilot, and Autopilot working as one. Check them out at happyfox.com/saastr   ---------------------   Hey everybody, the biggest B2B + AI event of the year will be back - SaaStr AI in the SF Bay Area, aka the SaaStr Annual, will be back in May 2026.    With 68% VP-level and above, 36% CEOs and founders and a growing 25% AI-first professional, this is the very best of the best S-tier attendees and decision makers that come to SaaStr each year.     But here's the reality, folks: the longer you wait, the higher ticket prices can get. Early bird tickets are available now, but once they're gone, you'll pay hundreds more so don't wait.    Lock in your spot today by going to podcast.saastrannual.com to get my exclusive discount SaaStr AI SF 2026. We'll see you there.

    43 min

  7. JAN 21

    SaaStr 838: The Present and Future of AI in Sales and GTM with SaaStr's CEO and Owner's CRO

    SaaStr 838: The Present and Future of AI in Sales and GTM with SaaStr's CEO and Owner's CRO Jason Lemkin on Going All-In on AI Agents: 20 Agents, Zero SDRs, and the Death of Mid-Pack Sales Jason Lemkin, Founder and CEO of SaaStr, sits down with Kyle Norton, CRO at Owner, to share the raw story of how frustration with sales team turnover pushed him to deploy 20 AI agents in under a year, and why we'll never go back. In this episode, we cover: → Why Jason stopped hiring SDRs after two senior reps ghosted him right before SaaStr Annual → The real reason most AI agent deployments fail (hint: it's not the technology) → How to pick your first AI vendor: "Talk to your forward deployed engineer before you sign" → Why Salesforce is having a Renaissance as the hub for AI agents → The brutal truth about mid-pack sales jobs being in "terminal decline" → How to get started with AI agents when your CFO won't give you budget → AgentForce vs. the hot startups: what actually works in production → Why the $250K SDR is coming, but only for the truly elite Jason's advice for revenue leaders: "Roll up your sleeves. If you haven't trained an agent yourself, you'll be utterly ignorant in the age of AI." 🔗 See the AI agents SaaStr uses: saastr.ai/agents  --------------------- This episode is Sponsored in part by HappyFox: Imagine having AI agents for every support task — one that triages tickets, another that catches duplicates, one that spots churn risks. That'd be pretty amazing, right? HappyFox just made it real with Autopilot. These pre-built AI agents deploy in about 60 seconds and run for as low as 2 cents per successful action. All of it sits inside the HappyFox omnichannel, AI-first support stack — Chatbot, Copilot, and Autopilot working as one. Check them out at happyfox.com/saastr --------------------- Hey everybody, the biggest B2B + AI event of the year will be back - SaaStr AI in the SF Bay Area, aka the SaaStr Annual, will be back in May 2026.  With 68% VP-level and above, 36% CEOs and founders and a growing 25% AI-first professional, this is the very best of the best S-tier attendees and decision makers that come to SaaStr each year.   But here's the reality, folks: the longer you wait, the higher ticket prices can get. Early bird tickets are available now, but once they're gone, you'll pay hundreds more so don't wait.  Lock in your spot today by going to podcast.saastrannual.com to get my exclusive discount SaaStr AI SF 2026. We'll see you there.

    56 min

  8. JAN 14

    SaaStr 837: 10 Things To Do Right Now to Become AI Native with Filevine's CEO & Founder

    SaaStr 837: 10 Things To Do Right Now  to Become AI Native with Filevine's CEO & Founder Ryan Anderson, Co-Founder and CEO of Filevine, shares the playbook for how his legal tech company successfully transitioned from a traditional SaaS business to an AI-native company, now generating more new revenue from AI products than their core SaaS platform. With 6,000 customers, 700 employees, and $200M+ ARR growing at nearly 60%, Filevine has cracked the code on AI transformation. Ryan breaks down the strategic, technical, and cultural changes required to make the shift. div]:bg-bg-000/50 [&_pre>div]:border-0.5 [&_pre>div]:border-border-400 [&_.ignore-pre-bg>div]:bg-transparent [&_.standard-markdown_:is(p,blockquote,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:pl-2 [&_.standard-markdown_:is(p,blockquote,ul,ol,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:pr-8 [&_.progressive-markdown_:is(p,blockquote,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:pl-2 [&_.progressive-markdown_:is(p,blockquote,ul,ol,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6)]:pr-8"> _*]:min-w-0 standard-markdown"> Key Takeaways: Nothing is Sacred – Be prepared to tear down working systems that don't serve your AI future. Use a simple framework: keep what's critical to your competitive moat and keeps you fast; eliminate what slows you down. Content → Context – Your SaaS data becomes the competitive advantage when it serves as context for AI agents. Think Cher's closet in Clueless—you need both the organized system AND the AI. Restructure Your Architecture – AI can't just be "sprinkled on top." Your ML team needs to own the AI data layer and iterate daily without bottlenecks. Hire AI Natives – They want access to rich data and distribution. Sell them on what you have that AI-only startups don't. Consider Acquisitions – Filevine acquired Parrot to jumpstart their ML capabilities. Speed matters. Rebrand with Intent – Signal the change internally and externally. It's symbolic but powerful. Obsess Over Usage – If you can't measure it, don't ship it. Track DAU/WAU/MAU religiously. Leverage Your Data – Control API access, monitor AI traffic for product ideas, and don't give away your advantage for free. Price to Dominate – Your high SaaS margins let you undercut AI-only competitors on blended gross margin. Build One Product – Stop selling to customers who won't buy AI. Assume AI is implicit in everything you build. About the Speaker: Ryan Anderson is the Co-Founder and CEO of Filevine, an AI-powered legal operating system. Under his leadership, Filevine has achieved 96% gross revenue retention and 124% net revenue retention while successfully pivoting to AI-native operations. --------------------- This episode is Sponsored in part by HappyFox: Imagine having AI agents for every support task — one that triages tickets, another that catches duplicates, one that spots churn risks. That'd be pretty amazing, right? HappyFox just made it real with Autopilot. These pre-built AI agents deploy in about 60 seconds and run for as low as 2 cents per successful action. All of it sits inside the HappyFox omnichannel, AI-first support stack — Chatbot, Copilot, and Autopilot working as one. Check them out at happyfox.com/saastr --------------------- Hey everybody, the biggest B2B + AI event of the year will be back - SaaStr AI in the SF Bay Area, aka the SaaStr Annual, will be back in May 2026.  With 68% VP-level and above, 36% CEOs and founders and a growing 25% AI-first professional, this is the very best of the best S-tier attendees and decision makers that come to SaaStr each year.  But here's the reality, folks: the longer you wait, the higher ticket prices can get. Early bird tickets are available now, but once they're gone, you'll pay hundreds more so don't wait.  Lock in your spot today by going to podcast.saastrannual.com to get my exclusive discount SaaStr AI SF 2026. We'll see you there.

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The Official SaaStr Podcast is the latest and greatest from the world of SaaStr, interviewing the most prominent operators and investors to discover their tips, tactics and strategies to attain success in the fiercely competitive world of SaaS. On the side of the operators, we center around getting from $0 to $100m ARR faster, what it takes to scale successfully and what are the core elements of hiring. As for the investors, we learn what metrics they hone in on when examining SaaS business, what type of metrics excites them and what they look for in SaaS founders.

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