I first listened to the episode in which Bienvenu and Makkos discuss Matthew Zapruder's essay in the NY Times "Understanding Poetry Is More Straightforward Than You Think". In this episode, they both provide well-informed, fair, and thoughtful commentary about how poetry is taught in schools. As an English teacher and poet myself, it was helpful to hear different perspectives on how we frame poetry for students to give them both a critical and joyful experience. Both Makkos and Bienvenu are serious readers and writers (and, I believe, translators and archivists) who can speak clearly and interestingly on a wide range of poetry, providing historical basis and contemporary examples for their thoughts. I look forward to listening to more episodes.