What happens when Agile scales? According to Agile transformation consultant Martin Schellert, the answer shouldn't be to simply add more process, more frameworks and more bureaucracy. In this episode of the Everyday Agile Podcast, Martin joins us to talk about what happens when Agile transformations go wrong ,and why organisations often lose the things that made Agile teams effective in the first place. We get into some big Agile and product management questions: • Why does scaling Agile often mean scaling process? • Why is comparing team velocity between teams such a bad idea? • Do teams actually need story points or estimation? • What is an MVP really supposed to achieve? • How should leaders create genuine ownership in product teams? • What is "decision distance" and why does Martin call it a silent killer of agility? • Can you build Agile teams inside a traditional organisation? • How can you use AI without losing your own voice? • Why is so much LinkedIn content starting to sound exactly the same? • What is the most overlooked principle in the Agile Manifesto? • Why should Agile practitioners be pragmatic rather than dogmatic? Martin also shares how he got into Agile, how he prepares conference talks, how he uses AI as part of his workflow, and what he has learned from speaking at Agile conferences. One of the biggest themes throughout the conversation is simple. Agile isn't about following a framework perfectly. It's about finding the practices that work for your team, organisation, customers, culture and context. As Martin puts it: be pragmatic, never dogmatic. If you're interested in Agile transformation, product management, software delivery, Agile leadership, team performance, project management or better ways of working, there's plenty here to disagree with, steal and take back to your organisation. ▶︎ Connect with Martin https://www.linkedin.com/in/schellert/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtf8TKCQfB3siec1cDB1Log ▶︎Tickets for Not Another Agile Conference (22 April 2027, Chester Zoo) are on sale. https://www.tickettailor.com/events/notanotheragileconference/2178867 ▶︎Our Newsletter: https://substack.com/@betweenthestandups ⏱️ Chapters 00:00 Intro 01:14 How Martin Got Into Agile Conferences 02:22 Scaling Agile Without Scaling Process 03:20 Creating Conference Talks Using AI 05:12 How to Practice for a Conference Talk 06:19 Does Speaking Generate Business? 08:18 Martin's Journey Into Agile 10:27 Why Agile Still Matters 11:22 Do We Rely Too Much on the Agile Manifesto? 13:18 Why Agile Should Evolve 14:31 Finding the Root Cause of Agile Problems 15:39 What Agile Problems Do Organisations Really Have? 17:48 Why Comparing Team Velocity Is a Bad Idea 18:40 Should Teams Stop Using Story Points? 19:23 A Better Alternative to Story Points 20:04 What an MVP Actually Means 20:40 What Makes a Good MVP? 21:37 Leadership and Agile Teams 22:36 Building Agile Islands 23:20 Creating Team Ownership 24:24 When Empowerment Becomes a Poison Chalice 25:12 Decision Distance: The Silent Killer of Agility 26:12 What Agile Advice Doesn't Work? 26:18 Is AI Killing Authenticity on LinkedIn? 28:17 Using AI Without Losing Your Voice 29:30 Stop Turning Everything Into a LinkedIn Business Lesson 32:14 You Don't Have to Post 3 Times a Week 33:08 ADHD, Business & Burnout 34:48 Practical Productivity Strategies 36:20 The Quickfire Agile Round 37:28 What Should Every Team Stop Doing? 37:41 Get Closer to Your Customers 37:52 The Most Overlooked Agile Principle 38:35 What Gives Martin Hope for Agile? 39:05 Why Agile Certification Isn't Enough 40:16 Why Organisations Still Need Agile 40:48 Be Pragmatic, Never Dogmatic Subscribe to Everyday Agile for conversations about Agile, product management, project management, software delivery, leadership, organisational change and the reality of making Agile work in the real world.