Edufuturists

Edufuturists

We are led to believe that the education system will continually evolve to meet the needs of learners and society. This has not happened. We need a revolution!

  1. 5d ago

    Chatbots, stickers, painting and pizza - The Big Review Part 15 (#347)

    In this episode of the Edufuturists podcast, it's just Ben and Steve in the studio for The Big Review Part 15, looking back over seven recent conversations and pulling out the threads that connect them. From leadership and wellbeing to AI, integrity and creativity, this is a fast tour through the ideas that defined the last review period, with plenty of prompts to send you back to the full episodes.Ben Whitaker and Steve Hope co-host the Edufuturists podcast and are the authors of the new book Pick 'n' Mix Education (Crown House Publishing). In this review they revisit conversations with headteacher and Calm Leadership author Patrick Cozier, Manhattan University dean and engineering researcher Kathryn Jablokow, SchoolAI's Rob Wessman, teacher wellbeing coach Charlie Burley, Apps for Good's Natalie Moore, Turnitin Chief Product Officer Annie Chechitelli, and creativity explorer and Book of Ideas author Fredrik Haren.We cover:- Why leadership is a human act first, and how Patrick Cozier's calm framework has sustained his longevity in headship- How AI can become a genuine team member rather than a replacement, and what it means to help AI think more like a human- The case that AI upskills rather than de-skills learners, including research on a reported boost in higher order reasoning- Why staff wellbeing is about intention, not a pizza on a Friday, and the role of sleep, food and balance- How young people can be empowered to create with technology for good, not just consume it- The shift in academic integrity from AI detection towards clarity, and why a human has to stay in the loop- Whether schools really kill creativity, and what curiosity, culture and context have to do with itWhy you should listenIf you lead a school, work in edtech, teach, or care about where education is heading, this review gives you seven big conversations distilled into one. It is a chance to spot the patterns, decide which full episodes are worth your time, and rethink some of the assumptions about AI, wellbeing and creativity that get repeated without question.Chapters00:00 Welcome and why we do review episodes01:24 Ep 340: Patrick Cozier on calm, human leadership04:19 Ep 341: Kathryn Jablokow on helping AI think like a human08:35 Ep 342: Rob Wessman on AI upskilling, not de-skilling14:00 Ep 343: Charlie Burley on why wellbeing isn't pizza22:38 Ep 344: Natalie Moore on doing good with technology29:00 Ep 345: Annie Chechitelli on integrity beyond AI detection34:43 Ep 346: Fredrik Haren on creativity, curiosity and culture38:40 Uprising 2026, the new book and what's nextThanks so much for joining us again for another episode - we appreciate you.Ben & Steve xWant to sponsor future episodes or get involved with the Edufuturists work?Get in touchGet your tickets for Edufuturists Uprising 2026Grab a copy of the brand new Pick 'n' Mix Education book

    44 min
  2. Jun 1

    Is creativity something you're born with or does it get taken from you? with Fredrik Haren (#346)

    In this episode, Steve and Ben sit down with Fredrik Haren - the Creativity Explorer - for a conversation that's been months in the making. It's a wide-ranging, thought-provoking dive into what creativity really is, where it comes from, and why our assumptions about it might be completely wrong.Fredrik Haren has spent 25 years studying human creativity across the globe, visiting 15 to 35 countries a year, from North Korea to Silicon Valley, interviewing thousands of people across cultures, industries, and disciplines. He's the author of The Idea Book (250,000+ copies sold) and The World of Creativity, and defines himself not as an expert, but as an explorer.In this episode we cover:- Why Fredrik says schools don't kill creativity, parents do (and what that actually means)- The Icelandic word for "curious" that will change how you think about learning- What North Korea taught Fredrik about collective creativity and why "one + one = big one"- The hidden etymology of curiosity, creativity, and education and why words matter- The Montessori mindset shift that every teacher and parent needs to hear- Why ego is the enemy of your best ideas and how divine ideas work- The Japanese concept Kaitakusha (培拓者): cultivating the future, not just pioneering it- Fredrik's mother's single greatest piece of advice for raising creative children-Why "lifelong learning" has lost its meaning and what to say insteadWhy you should listenWhether you're a classroom teacher, school leader, EdTech professional, or parent, this episode challenges the narratives we've inherited about creativity, curiosity, and the purpose of education. Fredrik brings global perspective, etymology deep-dives, and genuinely surprising ideas that will make you rethink how you support learners and yourself.Chapters00:00 - Introduction & what's been happening this week02:07 - Meet Fredrik Haren: The Creativity Explorer04:45 - Do schools kill creativity? Fredrik pushes back on Sir Ken Robinson09:43 - The Icelandic word for curious: forvitten (that which comes before knowledge)11:43 - Creativity across cultures: Iceland, Bulgaria, North Korea and beyond16:00 - Collective creativity: why "one + one = big one"22:00 - The Idea Book: how Fredrik sold 250,000 copies by selling stationery28:35 - How the world improves when people reach their creative potential33:45 - The difference between an expert and an explorer36:21 - Ego, divine ideas, and the etymology of creativity41:02 - "Never give the answer" - the best parenting advice Fredrik ever received45:31 - Kaitakusha: the Japanese concept of cultivating the future47:50 - Quickfire Questions🔗 Find Fredrik Haren: search "Fredrik Haren" or "The Creativity Explorer"📖 The Idea Book & The World of Creativity — available now Check out all about EdufuturistsWant to sponsor future episodes or get involved with the Edufuturists work?Get in touchGet your tickets for Edufuturists Uprising 2026

    52 min
  3. May 25

    Is AI making students smarter or just better at avoiding thinking? with Annie Chechitelli (#345)

    In this episode, we sit down with Annie Chechitelli, Chief Product Officer at Turnitin, to unpack one of education's most urgent tensions: how do you preserve genuine learning in an age where AI can write a passable essay in seconds? We go beyond the detector-versus-cheater framing to ask what assessment, academic integrity, and the role of the teacher actually need to look like now. Annie Chechitelli is Chief Product Officer at Turnitin and has spent over 25 years in education technology - from building live online classrooms before Zoom existed, through roles at Blackboard and Amazon, to leading product at Turnitin for the past four years. She's one of the few people who has watched AI go from a quiet API curiosity to a classroom crisis in real time. We cover: - Why Turnitin shifted from detecting cheating to giving educators clarity on how students use AI - The move from summative to formative assessment and what it demands of teachers - How oral assessments, AI simulations, and peer feedback could replace the traditional essay - What it means that 13% of papers submitted globally contain 80% or more AI-generated content - Why Nature Magazine just retracted a major study claiming AI is good for learning - The cognitive shortcut question: what parts of thinking can students safely offload to AI, and what can they not? - Whether "AI literacy" is a meaningful term or just marketing language - Why institutional policy decisions keep going wrong when educators aren't in the room If you're a teacher trying to figure out where AI fits in your classroom, a leader shaping institutional policy, or someone who wants an honest conversation about what AI is actually doing to learning, this episode cuts through the noise. Annie doesn't arrive with neat answers. She brings the data, the hard questions, and a genuine commitment to getting this right for students. Chapters 00:00 Introductions 02:04 Meet Annie Chechitelli, CPO of Turnitin 03:29 25 years in EdTech from Wimba to Amazon to Turnitin 07:04 Why Annie bet on education technology in 1999 09:31 What is Turnitin? A plain-language explainer 14:24 Essay mills, contract cheating, and the misconduct economy 17:12 AI and the shortcut to thinking 23:55 Who does Turnitin design for: teachers, students, or admins? 27:05 How assessment needs to change in the AI era 31:21 Oral defence, AI simulations, and peer feedback at scale 36:50 Why the UK is doubling down on exams 39:23 From AI detection to Turnitin Clarity 44:25 Who decides what counts as misconduct? 48:31 The research gap nobody is filling 52:34 Nature Magazine retracts its AI learning study 54:40 Is "AI literacy" a real term? 58:35 Quick-fire questions Find out more about Turnitin Clarity Thanks so much for joining us again for another episode - we appreciate you. Ben & Steve x Championing those who are making the future of education a reality. Check out all about Edufuturists Get your tickets for Edufuturists Uprising 2026

    1h 3m
  4. May 18

    Why are we teaching kids to use tech instead of change the world with it with Natalie Moore (#344)

    Are we teaching young people to consume technology - or to change the world with it?In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Natalie Moore, CEO of Apps for Good, to explore what it really means to put young people in the driving seat of their own learning - and their own futures. From a council estate in East London to the London 2012 Olympics, and now leading one of the UK's most impactful edtech charities, Natalie brings a grounded, honest perspective on what education could look like when we trust young people to solve the problems that matter to them.Natalie is CEO of Apps for Good, a UK education technology charity that helps young people tackle real-world problems and build meaningful tech solutions. With 13 years at the organisation - and the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Organising Committee on her CV - she brings rare insight into impact-driven education, digital skills, and what it genuinely means to do good. In this episode we cover: - Why Apps for Good was born out of work tackling digital exclusion in Brazilian favelas and what that means for UK classrooms today - How AI is reshaping the Apps for Good curriculum, including a new "vibe coding" pathway and what responsible AI literacy looks like for young people - The philosophy behind "apps for good" - why agency, purpose, and real-world relevance are more powerful than any curriculum mandate - How project-based learning engages the students most likely to be switched off, including girls in STEM and young people from underrepresented backgrounds - The annual Apps for Good Showcase - a Dragon's Den-style pitch event reviewed by volunteers from Google, Spotify, Sony and more - Real impact stories: from a cattle management app built by Scottish farming kids to alumni now working at the Lego Group and Sony\ If you work in education, edtech, or youth development and you're wondering how to make technology genuinely meaningful - not just functional - for young people, this episode is essential. Natalie cuts through the AI hype to get at something deeper: what happens when young people aren't just users of technology, but creators solving problems they actually care about. Whether you're a teacher, school leader, or organisation trying to have real impact, this conversation will challenge you and inspire you in equal measure. Chapters 00:00 – Welcome & introductions 01:44 – Natalie's background 04:58 – How Apps for Good came about and what it does 10:14 – Moving young people from consumers to creators 12:26 – Has AI changed everything or just the tools? 15:02 – Vibe coding, AI literacy, and the new curriculum pathway 17:29 – What does "for good" actually mean? 20:28 – Reaching underrepresented young people and the challenge of scale 24:40 – Agency in the classroom: do students really want to be spoon-fed? 29:03 – Critical thinking, AI bias, and why young people need both 32:58 – What is project-based learning and why does it work? 35:57 – Impact data: skills, confidence, and alumni stories 41:03 – The Apps for Good Annual Showcase 43:13 – Quickfire Questions Voting for the People's Choice Award will open on Monday, 15th June. Have a look at their showcase here They are building an expression of interest list for their brand new AI for Good 2.0 course, launching late Summer ahead of the 2026/27 academic year. Listeners can complete this short form to be the first to see it If you want to learn more or connect, please visit here or reach out on email. They are shortlisted at Edufuturists Uprising 2026 - join us in Liverpool on 25th June to celebrate them and other incredible organisations making a differenceUprising is now CPD accredited!Subscribe to the Edufuturists podcast for weekly conversations with the people reshaping education.

    50 min
  5. May 11

    Why your school wellbeing strategy isn't working and what to do about it with Charlie Burley (#343)

    What if the biggest barrier to student success isn't curriculum, funding, or leadership - it's that we're burning out the very people holding it all together?In this episode, we sit down with Charlie Burley - The Teachers' Health Coach - to get real about the burnout crisis hiding in plain sight across our schools. Charlie shares the moment his own breakdown became his calling, and why fixing teacher wellbeing can't just mean a yoga session at the next INSET day.Charlie Burley is a former primary school teacher turned health coach, author, and founder of the Building Better Balance programme. After burning out in year five of his teaching career, navigating chronic stress, anxiety, and panic attacks, he retrained as a nutritionist and mental health coach and has spent the last seven years working with individual teachers, school leaders, and multi-academy trusts to rebuild wellbeing from the ground up. His diagnostic framework, the Six C's, gives schools a clear picture of where their culture is thriving and where it's quietly crumbling.In this episode, we cover:- Why teachers are burning out - the personal, professional, and systemic factors that pile up unseen- The Six C's framework - Care, Clarity, Capacity, Competence, Connection and Contribution, and how Charlie uses them to diagnose wellbeing across a whole school- Staff before students - Charlie's (perhaps controversial) argument that putting school staff first is the only way to genuinely serve children and families- The Sunday Scaries - what's actually happening in your brain on Sunday evenings, and Charlie's practical three-step approach: Calm, Clarity, Certainty- Marginal gains for mental health - why five minutes before you walk through the school gate might matter more than any wellness programme- Coaching in education and why it's normalised in sport and business but still underused in schools, and what changes when you bring it in- The community cure - Robin Dunbar's research on loneliness, why connection is the first chapter of Charlie's new book, and why belonging might be the most underrated lever in educationIf you're a teacher running on empty, a leader wondering why your wellbeing initiatives aren't landing, or anyone who cares about what education could look like when the people inside schools are actually looked after - this one is for you. Charlie brings the lived experience, the research, and the practical tools. No toxic positivity. No empty platitudes. Just an honest conversation about what it actually takes to rewrite wellbeing in schools."If you put your staff first, they will take care of everything."Chapters:00:00 Introduction & what's been going on at Edufuturists03:00 Meet Charlie Burley: from Year 6 teacher to health coach05:30 Charlie's burnout story: self-worth, grief, and throwing himself into work10:15 Why teacher stress cascades down to students12:20 The Six C's framework: diagnosing wellbeing across a whole school18:00 Why coaching is still underused in education21:30 Crisis leadership vs. strategic wellbeing: the difference that matters24:20 Staff first: the case for putting teachers before targets29:15 Practical wellbeing: creating space in a packed day34:30 Is teaching uniquely stressful? The emotional labour debate40:55 The Sunday Scaries: anticipatory anxiety and the three C's fix47:40 Community, connection and why belonging underpins everything54:35 Quickfire Questions🔗 Find Charlie Burley:Instagram: @theteachershealthcoachWebsite: The Teachers Health CoachBook: Healthy Habits for Teacher Life

    56 min
  6. May 4

    AI isn't deskilling our kids with Dr Rob Wessman (#342)

    What if the real risk of AI in schools isn't that it cheats - it's that it quietly switches off the parts of our brains we need most? In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Rob Wessman, VP of Ethics and Safety at School AI, to dig into one of the most important questions in education right now: are we building AI tools that develop young people, or tools that do the developing for them? With a background as a high school English teacher, school administrator, and Harvard EdLD graduate, Rob brings a genuinely human lens to the world of edtech and a compelling case for why getting this right matters more than getting it fast. We cover: - The MIT study that showed students struggling to think for themselves after outsourcing their essays to AI - Why School AI's research shows a 28% boost in higher-order reasoning - and how design makes the difference - The deskilling risk hiding in plain sight (and what endoscopy doctors can teach us about it) - Why banning AI in schools may be more dangerous than letting students use it unsupervised - The "agency with guardrails" challenge: how do you build tools that protect without limiting? - What Singapore's education ministry gets right — and why we should be paying attention - Why School AI removed their cute avatar and what it says about human-AI honesty Whether you're a school leader trying to make sense of AI policy, an educator worried about what students are losing, or just someone who wants the tech to actually serve learning, we think you'll like this one! Chapters 0:00 Introductions 02:35 Rob Wessman's Background in Education 05:16 Rob's Role at School AI and Its Mission 08:45 Designing AI to Promote Critical Thinking 12:05 Safety Guardrails and Ethical Use of AI 14:03 MIT Study on De-skilling and AI Risks 17:00 Boosting Higher-Order Reasoning with AI 20:27 Supporting Teachers and Human Connection 24:09 Legislation and Societal Concerns about AI 28:15 Educating About AI and Its Risks 32:47 Future Directions and Responsible AI Design 40:37 What Remains Human in Education? 43:31 Closing Remarks Read the research around SchoolAI and Critical Thinking Find out more about SchoolAI Check out all things Edufuturists

    45 min
  7. Apr 27

    How to use AI as a team member (not just a tool) with Kathryn Jablokow (#341)

    What if AI could think more like a human - and what would that mean for education, teams, and leadership?In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Kathryn Jablokow, Dean of Engineering at Manhattan University, to explore one of the most fascinating ideas in AI right now: cognitive diversity. With 34 years in engineering education and groundbreaking research into how AI agents can mimic different thinking styles, Kathryn brings a perspective you won't hear anywhere else.We cover:- Why AI struggles to find what you actually want- Adaption-Innovation Theory and what it means for AI development- Using AI as a genuine team member not just a productivity tool- What engineering education needs to look like post-ChatGPT- Why understanding how your team thinks is the real unlock for AI- The problem with how schools teach teamwork (and why exams are part of the problem)Whether you're a school leader, educator, or just someone trying to make sense of where AI is heading - this one's for you.Chapters00:00 Introductions01:21 Kathryn Jablokow's Journey in Engineering Education06:38 Transforming Engineering Education at Manhattan University13:04 AI's Role in Education and Engineering20:06 Integrating AI as a Team Member24:09 The Future of AI in Education30:42 Navigating Disagreement in AI Development32:15 The Human Element in AI Interaction34:11 Cultural Perspectives on AI and Robotics36:33 Data Privacy and Environmental Concerns38:32 Job Displacement and Creation in the Age of AI43:28 Preparing Future Generations for an Evolving Job Market47:26 Mental Well-Being and Critical Thinking in EducationCheck out all about Edufuturists

    1 min
  8. Apr 22

    How to be a leader and stay the course of time with Patrick Cozier (#340)

    This podcast episode is a brilliant conversation with Patrick Cozier, who shares his extensive experience in education leadership. The conversation goes into the challenges of decision-making, managing external pressures, leading with humanity, and the impact of paranoia in leadership.We also dig into the importance of consultation and feedback in decision-making, the CALM framework, authentic leadership, the journey and maturity of leaders, Patrick's role on the roundtable, and involvement with Show Racism the Red Card. The themes emphasise the significance of collaboration, internal and external calm, authenticity, reflection, influence, and anti-racism work in leadership and education.Takeaways- Leadership requires resilience and the ability to manage external pressures effectively.- Leading with humanity involves recognising the human side of leadership and building trust through honest and real interactions.- Paranoia in leadership can be challenging, and leaders must learn to cope with the varying opinions and perceptions of others. Consultation and collaboration are crucial in decision-making- Calm leadership involves maintaining focus, awareness, and authenticityChapters00:00 Introductions06:30 Managing External Pressures13:37 Leading with Humanity20:42 Paranoia in Leadership29:29 Consultation and Decision-Making34:35 The CALM Framework44:17 Journey and Maturity51:02 Show Racism and Red CardGrab a copy of Patrick's book

    59 min
3.7
out of 5
3 Ratings

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We are led to believe that the education system will continually evolve to meet the needs of learners and society. This has not happened. We need a revolution!

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